Ren'Py Harem Hotel [v0.19.1] [Runey]

[c3p0]

Also to add, what shadowtempered nicely summarized, arse long debate about development are per se against the rules too (point 2.7).

I still stand by my word, talking about development time, cost, etc. adds little to none value. It does not improve the game, it does not remove some bugs, it does only agitated others (on boths side of the fence) at best.
And as others pointed out development times means almost nothing, 1 year for a team working with 20 members full time for a short AVN, with noting special at all, I would say that they needed long and most likely the speed of development is lacking. 5 year for a single person with a main job and other hobbies than just work on the AVN alone, it is another story.

I'm all up for make your own desiscion and live with them (as we all must), but I'm also up to inform yourselve, nothing in the world is free. So, just comparing dev times, is too easy. Also, as an example DarkCookie have over 26 000 members and earns around 57 000 $ per month for a game whose been on Patreon since 2016...
We can put numbers from many devs up, but in my eyes, it comes simple to the one question "Does the dev 'earns' the right that I spend money on him?" and that one can't answer anyone but yourself for you.

Inform yourself, answer that question for yourself and if the dev is not "up to your standards" all ok, but in my eyes, don't bring "that" in any game thread, at least for sure not as the first or second post of oneself in the thread.
Looked at the devs website, the post here, try to build your own opinion, try the game out as most of the (paywall) games you find here.
Most time I ask a question because of development is more, why eg. Runey hasn't written/released anything since 26th June 2023 is not to have the next update now (of course it would be nice), but cause I isn't in his usual timeframe and that worries me.

 

[TheDevian]

Not defending or excusing posts/behavior/releases/whatever or anything but providing some minor context. Some of the negativity that's floating around is due to someone recently starting drama, insulting folks and continuing to do so in the vein of "dev makes X dollars, isn't releasing and you're all simps for supporting it". Specifically calling out community members, being overall negative and general ass-hattery.

With the topic being so recent (like maybe 2-3 weeks before the mod clean-up), it's bound to flare up tempers for little reason beyond "We've done this and we're already doing it again". HH discussion has been mostly drama free for years, so seeing it fall into the veins of Hero's Harem Guild / Summertime Saga / etc is kinda depressing for some folks.

Again: just context.


Regarding the dev time: Runey himself has said that he has a couple years of ideas still left to put into the game. So you'll be looking at 7-8 years of potential dev time and that's barring any additional delays. Which as BebopPiggo has been keen to point out has been several over the last 1-2 years.

He's been sick multiple times, had a death in the family and a trans-continental move. Whether you support those as valid reasons for slowing dev time or not is up to you.


To be fair, not all of us care about the Super Bowl , so he might not be trolling. At least he's providing context to his reasoning and being civil about it. That's far more than the last heated conversation had.

Look at how long Starfield was in production, with a huge team, and it's a steaming pile of garbage. I would rather play something like this, were the dev cares about their lore and characters, and their fan's time.

 

[Opa Wants]

It Seems people are forgetting that Runey is a one man team meaning HE writes the story HE does the renders & animation and HE does the programming. Runey also stated that the game WILL ALWAYS BE FREE on his itch.to page If only people would stop disssing the dev for his (IMO)wonderful story and diverse characters, we would not be getting in these PISSING contests. READ THE DEV DIARY BEFORE YOU START TYPING!

 

[TheDevian]

Okay, to get us back on target, here is an idol for you to worship and headpat.

 

[Deleted member 289409]

Starfield

 

[Gojii]

Not defending or excusing posts/behavior/releases/whatever or anything but providing some minor context. Some of the negativity that's floating around is due to someone recently starting drama, insulting folks and continuing to do so in the vein of "dev makes X dollars, isn't releasing and you're all simps for supporting it". Specifically calling out community members, being overall negative and general ass-hattery.

With the topic being so recent (like maybe 2-3 weeks before the mod clean-up), it's bound to flare up tempers for little reason beyond "We've done this and we're already doing it again". HH discussion has been mostly drama free for years, so seeing it fall into the veins of Hero's Harem Guild / Summertime Saga / etc is kinda depressing for some folks.

Again: just context.


Regarding the dev time: Runey himself has said that he has a couple years of ideas still left to put into the game. So you'll be looking at 7-8 years of potential dev time and that's barring any additional delays. Which as BebopPiggo has been keen to point out has been several over the last 1-2 years.

He's been sick multiple times, had a death in the family and a trans-continental move. Whether you support those as valid reasons for slowing dev time or not is up to you.


To be fair, not all of us care about the Super Bowl , so he might not be trolling. At least he's providing context to his reasoning and being civil about it. That's far more than the last heated conversation had.

You were actually the one I wasn't referring to amongst them. I was sincerely questioning it given

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That's why I was like "This game is been going for five years, no sign of completion, and dev has 5,000 paid patrons over various levels.... is this legit or...?"

As I said, a simple "No dude, dev is committed and you should definitely give it a go." like the One of 5 points that guy ranted on and I'd have been cool.

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So literally no, not trolling, but I AM laughing at how out of your minds a few of you are over this. I was maybe too direct given how jaded I am from other devs scamming and it set a few of you off? My bad? Idk.

I'm now intrigued by a game that has a few of you so so ridiculously heated over even implying it.

 

[KonfinedKnat]

Okay, to get us back on target, here is an idol for you to worship and headpat.

What you don't see is the giant hand just outside of frame coming down to pat that glorious head.

 

[JoePlant]

This topic really needs to die, again.
Seriously, it has been discussed more than enough already.

And not just in this thread, but in multiple threads across multiple forums.

The topic is very niche so it will never become a country political idea to shout about, but within this "go fund me" styled niche it feels very political to me (because it is all about how people spend their monies.) , and by such should be topic non grata. And yes, I realize that is just my opinion.

Bah... we should let it die and get back on topic. My apologies all.

 

[DigDug69]

And not just in this thread, but in multiple threads across multiple forums.

The topic is very niche so it will never become a country political idea to shout about, but within this "go fund me" styled niche it feels very political to me (because it is all about how people spend their monies.) , and by such should be topic non grata. And yes, I realize that is just my opinion.

Bah... we should let it die and get back on topic. My apologies all.

Agreed.
Everyone should stop commenting on the topic, and begin head patting your favorite girl/girls, immediately.

 

[JoePlant]

READ THE DEV DIARY BEFORE YOU START TYPING!

This makes me wonder two things...
1. How long has RTFM existed?
2. Has it turned into or does it now include DaSFaR? (do a search first and read)

Sadly I don't think the MC had any such for our android girl, and certainly none for baby. Then again... (I'm not a parent) I'm guessing no manual will ever fully help with baby.

 

[Gojii]

Anyhow..... SO... then since the dev/etc not an issue....


What are the Best and worst things about this game then in your view? (No I'm not baiting). Trying to get a feel for how this game differs from a number of harem games, some of them (also?) really good too.

 

[DigDug69]

Anyhow..... SO... then since the dev/etc not an issue....


What are the Best and worst things about this game then in your view? (No I'm not baiting). Trying to get a feel for how this game differs from a number of harem games, some of them (also?) really good too.

As for best, well there is a massive amount of well thought out content, that was hinted at and built up to from nearly the very beginning.
I cannot really think of too many complaints.
Quicker releases would be nice, but because of the solo nature of the visual novels development, quicker releases would end up in resulting in less content, and lower quality in each release.

If you base your considerations of the game on in story time, rather than real world time, events have only been going on for a matter of a few months, rather than real time years.
So, I cannot really complain about how long it has taken in game time, for Autumns sexual progression.
A few months of working towards sex with a very religious girl, is very realistic.

 

[Opa Wants]

Best About HH Story, worse can't think of a damn thing

 

[c3p0]

Anyhow..... SO... then since the dev/etc not an issue....


What are the Best and worst things about this game then in your view? (No I'm not baiting). Trying to get a feel for how this game differs from a number of harem games, some of them (also?) really good too.

It is not about the harem. The harem may be in the title, but it isn't the focus, it is just wharf all the relationships become. It is all about the girls, their stories, dreams, wishes, plans they have, the world they live and in and how that affects them, how they cope with that, how they want to change it to a better place and to wotk through their "issues" they might have.
"Worst" is that the story get you, at least me, you get invested and care for them.
"Best" the story, characters and character grown.

 

[JoePlant]

What are the Best and worst things about this game then in your view? (No I'm not baiting). Trying to get a feel for how this game differs from a number of harem games, some of them (also?) really good too.

The girls are nice, the kinks are fun, the MC just seems to be sort of forgettable. I've been around long enough with these types of games I'm just comfortably numb. But what keeps me around actually is Runey's world building and faction plot lines. I have great enjoyment in watching his imagination at work.

 

[Gojii]

The girls are nice, the kinks are fun, the MC just seems to be sort of forgettable. I've been around long enough with these types of games I'm just comfortably numb. But what keeps me around actually is Runey's world building and faction plot lines. I have great enjoyment in watching his imagination at work.

Factions... now that has me interested a bit. What's that about? Just like cliques amongst the girls or what?

 

[DigDug69]

Factions... now that has me interested a bit. What's that about? Just like cliques amongst the girls or what?

I think he means with the antagonists.
Crime lords.
Corrupt government.
Slavers.
The Church.

But there are also other factions that may potentially fall under the good guys category.

 

[JoePlant]

I think he means with the antagonists.
Crime lords.
Corrupt government.
Slavers.
The Church.

But there are also other factions that may potentially fall under the good guys category.

Pretty much. World factions no matter if they would be perceived as good or evil, including Big Business, Elven Kingdom, etc. as well. Too much more and I might have to put in spoiler tags, and honestly. I'm too lazy.
Macro scale vs micro (local gangs, clicks, etc.)

 

[shadowtempered]

What are the Best and worst things about this game then in your view? (No I'm not baiting). Trying to get a feel for how this game differs from a number of harem games, some of them (also?) really good too.

As a game, I like the early sandbox stuff and would view it as one of the "best" things but it has sadly dropped off to basically nothing focusing more on the VN side of things. It gave me something to tinker with between patches and now that's not really a thing, I just don't bother. I'm not generally interested in pure VN's (Caribdis' games not withstanding), so I originally came and stuck around because of those sandbox elements. Building up the hotel, building up the bar, training the girls -- I liked those things. Now... they just kinda feel tacked on. As more story elements built up, I eventually became one of the "came for the porn stayed for the story" types.

I have a love/hate relationship with the story, so it's a "best/worst" thing at the same time for me. I like story elements with the girls, but the global scale story I have zero interest in (even if it does pertain to the girls themselves). It's a personal thing: I have no interest in saving the world / politics - especially as a hotel manager. I like some of the world building but the latest v17 plot surprise fell completely on it's face for me. Learning more about Kali / Maria / The Twins / etc? Sure, all for it. I'd rather see their growth in the world they live in and how they make it better for those around them then to fight some global political-entity-thing whatever. I'm in for the ride to see how it concludes, but I miss the smaller scope of things. I'm sure on some level their individual stories and the larger story will intertwine more, but at this stage... meh.

The variety of girls and their stories is still my favorite thing about the game. The girls feel and look unique enough amongst each other that at times I have trouble picking a specific one as my favorite. For the longest time it was Kali/Maria and no one else mattered. As the Twins' storyline progressed and they got more outfits/kinks presented they started making a hard case for themselves. Lin has always been a solid option and I do love me some pointy ears..

Game is incomplete, so who knows how things will change over the next few patches.

 

[Gojii]

I originally came and stuck around because of those sandbox elements. Building up the hotel, building up the bar, training the girls -- I liked those things.

Tbh if it focused on that and not the external stuff and paired it with the VN/characters that'd be really good by the sounds of it.