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holyknight3

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Are wannabe programmers always this angry about code that they didn't write and didn't pay for
It's more common among actual programmers. There are a thousand different ways to code anything, and different (computer)languages and disciplines have different best practices, and usually with good reason. But once you leave the theoretical, and move into the real world, some of those things become super important, and some of them really aren't. And every programmer is going to have their own opinion on which is which. The fact that the Internet even functions, is not a miracle, but the closest thing that man will ever come to producing one.
 

GamerDaddy

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if you want to play v0.19 instead of downloading this beta and risk your save breaking, porngameshub has v0.19 (beta)
 
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GamerDaddy

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...I'm failing to understand the difference here. This is the v0.19 beta, any other site has the same thing as we do.
playing online wont break your save 'cause due to how they update any of their games saves get wiped so you import a save play the when it becomes public your orig save is safe then you can play from the end of 18.2 with no errors or a completely broken save
 

torresm

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playing online wont break your save 'cause due to how they update any of their games saves get wiped so you import a save play the when it becomes public your orig save is safe then you can play from the end of 18.2 with no errors or a completely broken save
Oh I see, it's an online version. Playing the beta won't magically break all your local saves, despite all the fearmongering; the problem is that people have this habit of overwriting their saves without making any backups, and when they discover the beta version borked them, they have nothing to fall back to.

You can play it safely if you just make new saves, or back them up in advance. Or both, if you wanna be really safe.
 

ZenoMod

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Oh I see, it's an online version. Playing the beta won't magically break all your local saves, despite all the fearmongering; the problem is that people have this habit of overwriting their saves without making any backups, and when they discover the beta version borked them, they have nothing to fall back to.

You can play it safely if you just make new saves, or back them up in advance. Or both, if you wanna be really safe.

Exactly.

I think that what is likely to happen is that if you make a save using the v_19_beta and then once the finished v19 is out you load from that save, chances are some object has been changed so you get an exception like object X doesn't have property Y.
So you are forced to load from a save made BEFORE you installed the beta.

If you don't have previous saves because you thought it was a good idea to overwrite them... well... :HideThePain:
 

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I haven't opened up the source code, and have no experience with RenPy as an engine, but a little bit of Python experience (ML, mostly) but once you start hiring people to do things, then your expenses on a game increase dramatically.

And when making a game in Python, who give even half a shit about optimization? If you cared about optimization, you wouldn't build it in RenPy. I like the story of Harem Hotel so far, and you are probably right about their code being terrible. Their code doesn't have to be good for his story to be good. Go look at the code for Undertale and see if that dumpster fire stopped it from being a good game. It probably also kept it from having any expansions or anything, and yes, Runey might be shooting themselves in the foot by making things in a sub optimal way, as far as maintainability goes, and it will probably delay updates coming out.

But long term, as long as the game still gets updates, and they continue to communicate with their community, they continue to get paid. Hiring a programmer doesn't really help, as it would be a large drain on resources, while also eliminating some of their long term income. As a consumer, I'm willing to pay $25 for a game once, but not $5 a month for 7 years, but enough people are, that option B is a viable model for a game creator. So the code will probably be rage inducing for a long time to come, because there is little benefit to the person who can fix it to do so, and no benefit at all to hiring someone, even on a temporary basis, to fix it.
No, the code is a unmaintainable mess constricting development. it's not unoptimized, people often incorrectly call things spaghetti code but this is why every update rolls in broken and adds months to dev time.
 

danb35

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Kali is one of the most beautiful girls.
Interesting. She's my favorite by a good bit, but a good way down my scale in terms of looks--I'd probably put Maria at the top; Kate, Moon, Felicity, maybe even Autumn (in no particular order) still above Kali. I guess I prefer a slimmer build (though Ashley overdoes it for my taste), but that doesn't quite account for Autumn.

Where Kali stands out for me is in the relationship--she seems most like "my girlfriend" among the LIs. She's affectionate, but not scarily so like Ashley (though Ashley's mellowed a bit as her story has progressed). Autumn will probably catch up to her in this regard. Maria seems much more FWB than girlfriend. The twins are certainly important to the story (increasingly so with 0.18, and likely more so going forward), but I'm not feeling it in terms of relationship.
 
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ZenoMod

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No, the code is a unmaintainable mess constricting development. it's not unoptimized, people often incorrectly call things spaghetti code but this is why every update rolls in broken and adds months to dev time.

I may agree on the fact that the code is a maintainability mess.

BUT the whole point of being on Patreon is both not having a boss AND not having employees… As long as people keep donating, there isn’t any drive for a successful developer to hire someone.
 

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Interesting. She's my favorite by a good bit, but a good way down my scale in terms of looks--I'd probably put Maria at the top; Kate, Moon, Felicity, maybe even Autumn (in no particular order) still above Kali. I guess I prefer a slimmer build (though Ashley overdoes it for my taste), but that doesn't quite account for Autumn.

Where Kali stands out for me is in the relationship--she seems most like "my girlfriend" among the LIs. She's affectionate, but not scarily so like Ashley (though Ashley's mellowed a bit as her story has progressed). Autumn will probably catch up to her in this regard. Maria seems much more FWB than girlfriend. The twins are certainly important to the story (increasingly so with 0.18, and likely more so going forward), but I'm not feeling it in terms of relationship.
For me Kali has everything, she is smart, kind and to me very attractive, she has that sexy nerd look I love, her body is great, and I usually pick her to sleep with. I personally would marry her above all the others. I like Kate, be she has more of an android personality. I do like Maria and her story is heartbreaking... so I would always help her. Ashley is kind of a sad story as well, she is a bit unstable. Autumn is too religious for me. The Twins are ok, but they started out very mean.

Anyway it goes to show you how you can make a harem game and each girl will probably be someone's favorite.
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danb35

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For me Kali has everything, she is smart, kind and to me very attractive
I'm pretty much in the same boat. I said above she isn't that high in my ranking of looks, but if everyone's an 8/10 or more that isn't much of a drawback.
I personally would marry her above all the others
Agreed. Lin would probably be her closest competition.
 

Towik

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I lost my saves few years ago... I used to play this before the save screen spots increase...
anyway, can someone tell me how I can get back to this, lick tips and so on...
kind of lame I think I spent 50+ hours in this game :alien:
 

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I lost my saves few years ago... I used to play this before the save screen spots increase...
anyway, can someone tell me how I can get back to this, lick tips and so on...
kind of lame I think I spent 50+ hours in this game :alien:
Only big tip is that you want to focus on Kali's story points for a short bit to solve money issues. You don't "have" to do this, but it helps immensely in kick starting the funding necessary to get the bar off the ground. After that you'll never need money, though you may have to wait a week or two for it to generate extra depending on your spending habits.

Beyond that you can basically play as you want. You can't fail any story beat simply because you didn't play with that girl, but the story beats might shift slightly (specifically Lin) if you don't develop some of their stats. 9/10 times the stats are just bonus scenes in the story.
 
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Only big tip is that you want to focus on Kali's story points for a short bit to solve money issues. You don't "have" to do this, but it helps immensely in kick starting the funding necessary to get the bar off the ground. After that you'll never need money, though you may have to wait a week or two for it to generate extra depending on your spending habits.

Beyond that you can basically play as you want. You can't fail any story beat simply because you didn't play with that girl, but the story beats might shift slightly (specifically Lin) if you don't develop some of their stats. 9/10 times the stats are just bonus scenes in the story.
Huh, I could've sworn that last time I played most of the cast's plotlines were put on hold for the trip to elfland Lin was pushing for, but maybe my memory exaggerated it. Or did you just mean raising stats when you said "play with a girl?"
 
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Huh, I could've sworn that last time I played most of the cast's plotlines were put on hold for the trip to elfland Lin was pushing for, but maybe my memory exaggerated it. Or did you just mean raising stats when you said "play with a girl?"
That's a long way in. There's an early arc/set with Kali that'll give you money (if you do other stuff first you have to balance money and it wastes a lot of time). After that, Runey blocks paths to keep cohesion in the story (the boat trip being one of them, but there are smaller ones for select girls). They're not too bad, but those blocks are mostly main story blockers/stabilisers, so they're a good thing.
 
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