Ren'Py Harem Hotel [v0.19.1] [Runey]

[QQP_Purple]

You people are ignoring the scale of the problem here. I mean, how many elves are there? Millions? Tens of millions? Hundreds of millions? Quite possibly. The nation this all is happening in seems to span the entire continent and be analogous to the united states in terms of scale. So extrapolating populations from that... well yea. Huge. And if slaving societies of the past are any indication there are going to be far more slaves than free men.

Even if the MC had a literal money printing machine to buy them all what is he to do with them? Buy an island somewhere and build them a nation?

It's one thing to save a handful of strays but quite another to actually have to deal with the logistics of organizing an entire race of people. That's the sort of problem even governments have a hard time dealing with. As evidenced by the pre-corona migrant crisis here in Europe.

 

[Runey]

Buying is an option, especially once Kali has her share of what she gets from her father. This would actually be the best way to do things peacefully, then, once the elves are ALL out of harm's way, start the slow political process to get rid of the source of their problem.

I'm a bit out of the loop, but I believe it is stated somewhere in game that Kali and Lucy are not getting an inheritance.

You people are ignoring the scale of the problem here. I mean, how many elves are there? Millions? Tens of millions? Hundreds of millions?

Android mentions there are close to 800 million elves on the continent. And somewhere around 1 - 2 billion humans. (I think she said 11b or 12b humans in on the planet)

 

[TheDevian]

Well, we DID have to build the sanctuary from scratch, this isn't like the hotel, which the MC inherited. It could be altered further, expanded to house more, with the right funding. Though that does come with some pretty big risks as does buying out literally the entire market. The other owners would probably not look too kindly on us doing so and the sanctuary would get very big very quickly considering we would need an arcology, a self sustained and completely enclosed living space that can house an entire city population or more, level building. There might be building code violations if we don't watch out, which is an entirely different can of worms to deal with.

There would definitely have to be a hard limit on interactivity from a game perspective, some would just have to end up a statistic.

With the rentals, those could be severely restricted as in the renter can't do certain things they would be able to do and must treat the rented elf to a certain degree of care. It could also become a new funding source that we can then funnel into buying what we couldn't initially get due to the inevitable price hike. It would still mean a wait, but not necessarily as long as going completely with the political process. All this while running our media and political campaigns to shut down the market.

They did it again, deleted my post. Gawd, I hate this new backup system... At least before it would remember what it saved before it went down and you only lost the last bit.

Yeah, but that has room for like 6. We are going to need a LOT of land... XD

Though, Kali DID say we should buy more hotels and have the elves work there.

You people are ignoring the scale of the problem here. I mean, how many elves are there? Millions? Tens of millions? Hundreds of millions? Quite possibly. The nation this all is happening in seems to span the entire continent and be analogous to the united states in terms of scale. So extrapolating populations from that... well yea. Huge. And if slaving societies of the past are any indication there are going to be far more slaves than free men.

Even if the MC had a literal money printing machine to buy them all what is he to do with them? Buy an island somewhere and build them a nation?

It's one thing to save a handful of strays but quite another to actually have to deal with the logistics of organizing an entire race of people. That's the sort of problem even governments have a hard time dealing with. As evidenced by the pre-corona migrant crisis here in Europe.

Exactly, we can't save them all that way, it is going to take a multi-path process.

Harem Island, the sequel, we did talk about that idea a long time ago... XD

I'm a bit out of the loop, but I believe it is stated somewhere in game that Kali and Lucy are not getting an inheritance.


Android mentions there are close to 800 million elves on the continent. And somewhere around 1 - 2 billion humans. (I think she said 11b or 12b humans in on the planet)

Yeah, but we are working under the assumption that she will get a good income as she transitions into running the company, and her step-mom would be willing to help us with some of the funding if it is for the cause. Either way, it is going to take some good investments, though many of these ideas would turn a profit.

 

[imzahai]

what about adding more floors in the hotel [so the people who work there get their own room too] and adding floors to the sanctuary?
obviously that would be some time in the future...
after we get Ren and Sylvia and Nia and Jin are actual members of the harem

 

[TheDevian]

what about adding more floors in the hotel [so the people who work there get their own room too] and adding floors to the sanctuary?
obviously that would be some time in the future...
after we get Ren and Sylvia and Nia and Jin are actual members of the harem

The main building is 1 maid and 3 guests per floor, unless there are other rooms/guests we never see, and I don't think so.

I would love to expand sanctuary, but he said the hotel won't get a 3rd floor until some of the current main girls are done, and we move on to the next set, unless that plan has changed.

Either way, we are going to need to expand one way or another, and Moon is the architect! XD

 

[ihdez2495]

HELP! MY SAVES WON'T WORK


I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "game/scripts/AON_sensitive_FIX.rpy", line 39, in FIXevent
rv = self.child.event(ev, x, y, st)
File "renpy/common/00action_file.rpy", line 452, in __call__
renpy.load(fn)
ImportError: No module named matrix

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 28, in script
python hide:
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\ast.py", line 912, in execute
renpy.python.py_exec_bytecode(self.code.bytecode, self.hide, store=self.store)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\python.py", line 2004, in py_exec_bytecode
exec bytecode in globals, locals
File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 28, in <module>
python hide:
File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 35, in _execute_python_hide
ui.interact()
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\ui.py", line 295, in interact
rv = renpy.game.interface.interact(roll_forward=roll_forward, **kwargs)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\core.py", line 2699, in interact
repeat, rv = self.interact_core(preloads=preloads, trans_pause=trans_pause, **kwargs)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\core.py", line 3510, in interact_core
rv = root_widget.event(ev, x, y, 0)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\transition.py", line 47, in event
return self.new_widget.event(ev, x, y, st) # E1101
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "game/scripts/AON_sensitive_FIX.rpy", line 39, in FIXevent
rv = self.child.event(ev, x, y, st)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 244, in event
rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 244, in event
rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 244, in event
rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\viewport.py", line 305, in event
rv = super(Viewport, self).event(ev, x, y, st)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 244, in event
rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\behavior.py", line 946, in event
return handle_click(self.clicked)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\behavior.py", line 881, in handle_click
rv = run(action)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\behavior.py", line 320, in run
return action(*args, **kwargs)
File "renpy/common/00action_file.rpy", line 452, in __call__
renpy.load(fn)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\loadsave.py", line 760, in load
roots, log = loads(location.load(filename))
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\loadsave.py", line 63, in loads
return cPickle.loads(s)
ImportError: No module named matrix

Windows-8-6.2.9200
Ren'Py 7.3.2.320
Harem Hotel v0.13.2
Fri Sep 17 03:34:02 2021

 

[TheDevian]

HELP! MY SAVES WON'T WORK


I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
File "game/scripts/AON_sensitive_FIX.rpy", line 39, in FIXevent
rv = self.child.event(ev, x, y, st)
File "renpy/common/00action_file.rpy", line 452, in __call__
renpy.load(fn)
ImportError: No module named matrix

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 28, in script
python hide:
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\ast.py", line 912, in execute
renpy.python.py_exec_bytecode(self.code.bytecode, self.hide, store=self.store)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\python.py", line 2004, in py_exec_bytecode
exec bytecode in globals, locals
File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 28, in <module>
python hide:
File "renpy/common/_layout/screen_main_menu.rpym", line 35, in _execute_python_hide
ui.interact()
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\ui.py", line 295, in interact
rv = renpy.game.interface.interact(roll_forward=roll_forward, **kwargs)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\core.py", line 2699, in interact
repeat, rv = self.interact_core(preloads=preloads, trans_pause=trans_pause, **kwargs)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\core.py", line 3510, in interact_core
rv = root_widget.event(ev, x, y, 0)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\transition.py", line 47, in event
return self.new_widget.event(ev, x, y, st) # E1101
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "game/scripts/AON_sensitive_FIX.rpy", line 39, in FIXevent
rv = self.child.event(ev, x, y, st)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 244, in event
rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 244, in event
rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 998, in event
rv = i.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, cst)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 244, in event
rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\viewport.py", line 305, in event
rv = super(Viewport, self).event(ev, x, y, st)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\layout.py", line 244, in event
rv = d.event(ev, x - xo, y - yo, st)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\behavior.py", line 946, in event
return handle_click(self.clicked)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\behavior.py", line 881, in handle_click
rv = run(action)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\display\behavior.py", line 320, in run
return action(*args, **kwargs)
File "renpy/common/00action_file.rpy", line 452, in __call__
renpy.load(fn)
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\loadsave.py", line 760, in load
roots, log = loads(location.load(filename))
File "D:\Games\RenPy\Harem_Hotel-v0.13.2-pc\renpy\loadsave.py", line 63, in loads
return cPickle.loads(s)
ImportError: No module named matrix

Windows-8-6.2.9200
Ren'Py 7.3.2.320
Harem Hotel v0.13.2
Fri Sep 17 03:34:02 2021

Were you using a mod before? If so, you need to use it now too.

 

[Tavi13]

I'm a bit out of the loop, but I believe it is stated somewhere in game that Kali and Lucy are not getting an inheritance.

I'm at least as far out of the loop as you are, hopefully more since I am waiting on the next release for a new playthrough and you created this, but I though daddy wanted to give Kali the main tech company? Or is that not being counted as an inheritance?

 

[Runey]

I'm at least as far out of the loop as you are, hopefully more since I am waiting on the next release for a new playthrough and you created this, but I though daddy wanted to give Kali the main tech company? Or is that not being counted as an inheritance?

He did, but Kali refused it. She never wanted to become a CEO. Then Kali's Dad offered a job in software engineering for the elfbots.

 

[skyfire777]

do we have an estimate one when the next update is coming? been playing the latest build on and off for a while now and i just got the message that i've completed all the available content already

 

[Tavi13]

He did, but Kali refused it. She never wanted to become a CEO. Then Kali's Dad offered a job in software engineering for the elfbots.

Ahhh; that right. See, I told you I was more out of the loop than you
I really need to do a new playthrough...

 

[TheDevian]

He did, but Kali refused it. She never wanted to become a CEO. Then Kali's Dad offered a job in software engineering for the elfbots.

That was when I got the idea of the MC being the CEO, and her owning it, but leading the teams she likes, and us running the company for her. That said, she might grow into the job one day after she grows the know the company, the people who work there, and what they do. She would earn more respect from the people that work there doing that anyway.

 

[alex2011]

You people are ignoring the scale of the problem here. I mean, how many elves are there? Millions? Tens of millions? Hundreds of millions? Quite possibly. The nation this all is happening in seems to span the entire continent and be analogous to the united states in terms of scale. So extrapolating populations from that... well yea. Huge. And if slaving societies of the past are any indication there are going to be far more slaves than free men.

Even if the MC had a literal money printing machine to buy them all what is he to do with them? Buy an island somewhere and build them a nation?

It's one thing to save a handful of strays but quite another to actually have to deal with the logistics of organizing an entire race of people. That's the sort of problem even governments have a hard time dealing with. As evidenced by the pre-corona migrant crisis here in Europe.

Over a billion as of the start of the game. Actually, buying an island wouldn't be a bad idea, it gets the elves away from the slavers. I admit it would be a logistical nightmare, but it is necessary to get them out of the hands of the slavers, by any means necessary.

They did it again, deleted my post. Gawd, I hate this new backup system... At least before it would remember what it saved before it went down and you only lost the last bit.

Yeah, but that has room for like 6. We are going to need a LOT of land... XD

Though, Kali DID say we should buy more hotels and have the elves work there.
Exactly, we can't save them all that way, it is going to take a multi-path process.

Harem Island, the sequel, we did talk about that idea a long time ago... XD

Yeah, but we are working under the assumption that she will get a good income as she transitions into running the company, and her step-mom would be willing to help us with some of the funding if it is for the cause. Either way, it is going to take some good investments, though many of these ideas would turn a profit.

Like I said, expand it. It has room for that many now, but that can be changed, not easily, but it can be.

Kali did say that and she has an excellent point, the elves could do the same as Lin and Jin, work there for room and board, maybe a little extra. This would also solve the issues with building up the sanctuary to where we would need it to be. The only remaining issues are with actually proceeding with the buyout.

An island is another excellent idea, more room for the elves than a single building or group of them, at least until they run out of space on said island, which is a real life issue in Japan as well, though they are taking a more proactive approach, not suffering from the problem itself as far as I know.

We are and it will, there is going to be A LOT of money involved no matter how we go about this. However, what Runey said is an issue.

I'm a bit out of the loop, but I believe it is stated somewhere in game that Kali and Lucy are not getting an inheritance.


Android mentions there are close to 800 million elves on the continent. And somewhere around 1 - 2 billion humans. (I think she said 11b or 12b humans in on the planet)

In this case, an inheritance could mean money or it could mean the company since it would be considered an inheritance to transfer control from owner to family of said owner, especially when said family is his daughter, his offspring. The former isn't as big an issue because, as Devian said, the profit she makes after taking control could be enough to pull what we are talking about, but if it means not getting the latter, we're in real trouble funding wise, at least in the short term, since she wouldn't have this profit to work with nor the influence of the company.

what about adding more floors in the hotel [so the people who work there get their own room too] and adding floors to the sanctuary?
obviously that would be some time in the future...
after we get Ren and Sylvia and Nia and Jin are actual members of the harem

Adding floors to either of our current properties to give it enough space to house literally every elf in Syl'anar is approaching building code violation territory, which is where buying more hotels or even an island comes in. Building up what we have now would mean making them exponentially larger than they already are, but spreading the population across multiple buildings alleviates this issue.

That was when I got the idea of the MC being the CEO, and her owning it, but leading the teams she likes, and us running the company for her. That said, she might grow into the job one day after she grows the know the company, the people who work there, and what they do. She would earn more respect from the people that work there doing that anyway.

Exactly, she can be CEO in name while we do the actual work and she can advise us on occasion.

 

[TheDevian]

Like I said, expand it. It has room for that many now, but that can be changed, not easily, but it can be.

Kali did say that and she has an excellent point, the elves could do the same as Lin and Jin, work there for room and board, maybe a little extra. This would also solve the issues with building up the sanctuary to where we would need it to be. The only remaining issues are with actually proceeding with the buyout.

An island is another excellent idea, more room for the elves than a single building or group of them, at least until they run out of space on said island, which is a real life issue in Japan as well, though they are taking a more proactive approach, not suffering from the problem itself as far as I know.

We are and it will, there is going to be A LOT of money involved no matter how we go about this. However, what Runey said is an issue.


In this case, an inheritance could mean money or it could mean the company since it would be considered an inheritance to transfer control from owner to family of said owner, especially when said family is his daughter, his offspring. The former isn't as big an issue because, as Devian said, the profit she makes after taking control could be enough to pull what we are talking about, but if it means not getting the latter, we're in real trouble funding wise, at least in the short term, since she wouldn't have this profit to work with nor the influence of the company.


Adding floors to either of our current properties to give it enough space to house literally every elf in Syl'anar is approaching building code violation territory, which is where buying more hotels or even an island comes in. Building up what we have now would mean making them exponentially larger than they already are, but spreading the population across multiple buildings alleviates this issue.


Exactly, she can be CEO in name while we do the actual work and she can advise us on occasion.

I assume to expand beyond a certain point here, we will need more land, which may, or may not be easy to obtain. Not sure what the zoning laws are for where we are, but I doubt we can add enough floors for a billion elves. XD Even a 1000 would be a logistical problem at the moment. Thank goodness for Moon and her friends.

Island could work, I always did like that idea, but without the protection of a military or another country's government (which should be doable, to be honest, on both counts to some degree), they would still be subject to raids.

While none of the residents are going to be stupidly rich any time soon, and the MC is not supposed to be very wealthy, that is all the more reason to start small, and some of the ideas we have would not take a lot to get started, and they can turn a profit, and so can not only pay for themselves in the long run, but also provide us a way to fund more of our shenanigans.

And also, like I said, Mariella seems more than willing to throw some of her husband's money at the problem, if it is to help elves, though I don't assume that it would be an easy sell, so we need to be able to show that it is worth it. I mean, she gave us 30k just to help 3, potentially 6 elves, with the promise that we would keep up the fight, and try to help who we can.

I think between what we saved, what we can get from Mariella, and what we can earn from some of these projects, including that other hotel, if it happens. The MC did not seem interested in it at the time, but he might be more motivated now...

We know we can go at least 3 floors above the ground, so 4 total, in the zone, but other than that, it is hard to say, we might have to elect/bribe local officials to change the zoning laws where we are.

 

[alex2011]

I assume to expand beyond a certain point here, we will need more land, which may, or may not be easy to obtain. Not sure what the zoning laws are for where we are, but I doubt we can add enough floors for a billion elves. XD Even a 1000 would be a logistical problem at the moment. Thank goodness for Moon and her friends.

Island could work, I always did like that idea, but without the protection of a military or another country's government (which should be doable, to be honest, on both counts to some degree), they would still be subject to raids.

While none of the residents are going to be stupidly rich any time soon, and the MC is not supposed to be very wealthy, that is all the more reason to start small, and some of the ideas we have would not take a lot to get started, and they can turn a profit, and so can not only pay for themselves in the long run, but also provide us a way to fund more of our shenanigans.

And also, like I said, Mariella seems more than willing to throw some of her husband's money at the problem, if it is to help elves, though I don't assume that it would be an easy sell, so we need to be able to show that it is worth it. I mean, she gave us 30k just to help 3, potentially 6 elves, with the promise that we would keep up the fight, and try to help who we can.

I think between what we saved, what we can get from Mariella, and what we can earn from some of these projects, including that other hotel, if it happens. The MC did not seem interested in it at the time, but he might be more motivated now...

We know we can go at least 3 floors above the ground, so 4 total, in the zone, but other than that, it is hard to say, we might have to elect/bribe local officials to change the zoning laws where we are.

Not if we expand up, that's where I was getting the building code issues from, Syl'anar might not take too kindly to a random skyscraper being built high enough to house the entire elven population of Syl'anar. Not only does this risk fines and other punishments for viiolations, it risks blowing the cover right off our liberation operation, exposing it for every pro-slave citizen in Syl'anar, then we might as well wait for the torches and pitchforks, possibly literally, to come out.

An island has its own set of problems. Being an island, they would have to find an elf friendly trade partner to import from since they would have limited space for self-sustained food production or anything else, not to mention the now physical restrictions on building any further dwellings than they already have to start with. Protection could be where Kali's company comes in, I call it that since this is assuming she takes control at least on paper. The company has a history with robotics, so they could supply the island with robotic security.

Mariella would be a great ally to have in an endeavor like those we've discussed, whether it's creating a megastructure to house the elves, buying a bunch of other hotels to house and employ the elves, or to send them to an isalnd. Her money could also be a great asset in the political battle ahead. A political campaign can be cheap, relatively speaking, but a successful one is guaranteed to be expensive, just like the typical US political campaign, it could run into the millions or more. With my ideas, we are definitely going to keep up the fight, this was definitely not an alternative to that. Moving the elves to a safe location was just a means to get them out of harm's way in case our political campaign stirs up some less than peaceful responses directed specifically at the elves as a result of the purpose of our campaign. It is an insurance policy to make sure none of them get hurt in the inevitable crossfire.

I could see him being more motivated now that he knows just what is at stake.

Either that or bribe people not to blab about any violations, though that would only last so long. People are bound to notice a zoning violation if it gets blatant enough.

 

[TheDevian]

Not if we expand up, that's where I was getting the building code issues from, Syl'anar might not take too kindly to a random skyscraper being built high enough to house the entire elven population of Syl'anar. Not only does this risk fines and other punishments for viiolations, it risks blowing the cover right off our liberation operation, exposing it for every pro-slave citizen in Syl'anar, then we might as well wait for the torches and pitchforks, possibly literally, to come out.

An island has its own set of problems. Being an island, they would have to find an elf friendly trade partner to import from since they would have limited space for self-sustained food production or anything else, not to mention the now physical restrictions on building any further dwellings than they already have to start with. Protection could be where Kali's company comes in, I call it that since this is assuming she takes control at least on paper. The company has a history with robotics, so they could supply the island with robotic security.

Mariella would be a great ally to have in an endeavor like those we've discussed, whether it's creating a megastructure to house the elves, buying a bunch of other hotels to house and employ the elves, or to send them to an isalnd. Her money could also be a great asset in the political battle ahead. A political campaign can be cheap, relatively speaking, but a successful one is guaranteed to be expensive, just like the typical US political campaign, it could run into the millions or more. With my ideas, we are definitely going to keep up the fight, this was definitely not an alternative to that. Moving the elves to a safe location was just a means to get them out of harm's way in case our political campaign stirs up some less than peaceful responses directed specifically at the elves as a result of the purpose of our campaign. It is an insurance policy to make sure none of them get hurt in the inevitable crossfire.

I could see him being more motivated now that he knows just what is at stake.

Either that or bribe people not to blab about any violations, though that would only last so long. People are bound to notice a zoning violation if it gets blatant enough.

Yeah, that is what I was saying too, we know we can have a 4 story building there, not sure how much higher it can go. But, if we bribe the right people, we can likely get around that.

Most of that, we can handle, by talking to Kali's dad, who pretty much runs a country, who would trade with them, and they can grow their own food and stuff once they get settled. The other big issue is transportation. They won't be happy with exporting that many elves, which is also illegal at the moment, IIRC. Kali's Dad had to get special permission to get the elves he does, including his wife. They don't want them to leave.

Yeah, not only a good ally, but also might join the harem once her current hubby dies... Or, she could be one of the candidates we back, once elves do get full rights.

Far better to get the zoning laws changed, safer for everyone in the long run.

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...You know, now that I think about it, I would really like to have another conversation with Mariella, we have not talked since before our little trip to meet the queen. Now that we have Sylvia's perspective on the situation, I would really like to get Mariella's PoV, it could provide an interesting contrast to what Sylvia told us, and also confirm other things she said.

For that matter, it would be interesting to talk to them and see what they know about each other, not sure if Sylvia would know Mariella, but Sylvia was kind of important, so Mariella should at least know about her...

It could be kind of funny if you are on the slave route, that she holds some kind of grudge with her, and says to make an exception with her, treat her rough for her. XD Or, if you are on the love route, maybe they knew each other, and could send a message or something.

Unfortunately, our last conversation with them was not a good one, only somewhat more pleasant than the one we had with Cornwall a bit later. Hopefully they can forgive us, but we were, let's say ...undiplomatic at best.

 

[alex2011]

Yeah, that is what I was saying too, we know we can have a 4 story building there, not sure how much higher it can go. But, if we bribe the right people, we can likely get around that.

Most of that, we can handle, by talking to Kali's dad, who pretty much runs a country, who would trade with them, and they can grow their own food and stuff once they get settled. The other big issue is transportation. They won't be happy with exporting that many elves, which is also illegal at the moment, IIRC. Kali's Dad had to get special permission to get the elves he does, including his wife. They don't want them to leave.

Yeah, not only a good ally, but also might join the harem once her current hubby dies... Or, she could be one of the candidates we back, once elves do get full rights.

Far better to get the zoning laws changed, safer for everyone in the long run.

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...You know, now that I think about it, I would really like to have another conversation with Mariella, we have not talked since before our little trip to meet the queen. Now that we have Sylvia's perspective on the situation, I would really like to get Mariella's PoV, it could provide an interesting contrast to what Sylvia told us, and also confirm other things she said.

For that matter, it would be interesting to talk to them and see what they know about each other, not sure if Sylvia would know Mariella, but Sylvia was kind of important, so Mariella should at least know about her...

It could be kind of funny if you are on the slave route, that she holds some kind of grudge with her, and says to make an exception with her, treat her rough for her. XD Or, if you are on the love route, maybe they knew each other, and could send a message or something.

Unfortunately, our last conversation with them was not a good one, only somewhat more pleasant than the one we had with Cornwall a bit later. Hopefully they can forgive us, but we were, let's say ...undiplomatic at best.

Well, we can get around it until other people we can't bribe to keep quiet notice. A structure can only get so big before there's no way it won't be noticed.

Self-sustained food production has its limits on an island due to the limits on space to plant. You're right, I didn't take export of elves being illegal into account, underground railroad, anyone? The real one was also technically illegal.

It is, but we are dealing with people who would rather keep the elves enslaved, so we have to be extremely careful how we get them changed so we don't divulge our reason. We would need a cover story, which is easy enough, among other precautions. If they catch wind that our effort is in order to free the elves, we're done for.

Yeah, we might have burned a bridge in that last conversation, another thing I didn't take into account. Maybe we can repair any damage, who knows.

 

[TheDevian]

Well, we can get around it until other people we can't bribe to keep quiet notice. A structure can only get so big before there's no way it won't be noticed.

Self-sustained food production has its limits on an island due to the limits on space to plant. You're right, I didn't take export of elves being illegal into account, underground railroad, anyone? The real one was also technically illegal.

It is, but we are dealing with people who would rather keep the elves enslaved, so we have to be extremely careful how we get them changed so we don't divulge our reason. We would need a cover story, which is easy enough, among other precautions. If they catch wind that our effort is in order to free the elves, we're done for.

Yeah, we might have burned a bridge in that last conversation, another thing I didn't take into account. Maybe we can repair any damage, who knows.

If you bribe them to rezone it, it is a permanent change. ...At least until someone comes along and rezones it again.

Well, depends on the island, Japan seems to manage, between farming, fishing, raising small animals...

We want to build a bigger, and better hotel, nothing to cause concerns. If anything, we are doing what they want, since we are also buying slaves to work there. There is nothing out of the ordinary going on with us as far as anyone can tell.

We burned a couple that day...

 

[Alandir]

I mean, she gave us 30k just to help 3, potentially 6 elves, with the promise that we would keep up the fight, and try to help who we can.

When did that happen? I just remember getting 10k from Kalis dad at some point as an investment. I finished Kalis story so far.

 

[TheDevian]

When did that happen? I just remember getting 10k from Kalis dad at some point as an investment. I finished Kalis story so far.

Was it only 10k? That might be right... I am dyslexic, so that is an easy thing to mix up. It was his money, but she was the one gave it to us, she was the one who talked to us about using it to build sanctuary and help as many elves as we could.