ZenoMod

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Without the appdata saves, you'd need to do more work for players upgrading to a new version - the in-folder saves work if you can patch or overwrite the previous install, but you'd need to teach players how to manually transfer saves, or how to clean out old files, whenever you have a new version that isn't easily patched. And even if it can be done as a simple overwrite, you'd have to make sure players copy the new version over the old one properly rather than just hitting "extract here" and creating a new folder for the new version.

The appdata saves do introduce some downsides in some circumstances, but they also lower the barrier to entry for most use cases.

IMHO, copying "game\saves" from MyGame2.0 to MyGame3.0 is far more straightforward and self-explanatory than having to figure out why the hell the game doesn't start from scratch when I nuke the whole game folder... then having to figure out where the hell saves and persisten are copied... and then having to manually backup both "MyGame2.0\game\saves\persistent" and "MyGame3.0\game\saves\persistent" because when I switch from v3.0 to v2.0 Ren'Py transparently and WITHOUT PROMPTING FOR CONFIRMATION fucking overwrites one persistent file with the other! :mad:
 
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IMHO, copying "game\saves" from MyGame2.0 to MyGame3.0 is far more straightforward and self-explanatory than having to figure out why the hell the game doesn't start from scratch when I nuke the whole game folder... then having to figure out where the hell saves and persisten are copied... and then having to manually backup both "MyGame2.0\game\saves\persistent" and "MyGame3.0\game\saves\persistent" because when I switch from v3.0 to v2.0 Ren'Py transparently and WITHOUT PROMPTING FOR CONFIRMATION fucking overwrites one persistent file with the other! :mad:
But how often do people try to switch from v3.0 to v2.0 compared to how often people would have to copy save files across from 2.0 to 3.0?
 

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But how often do people try to switch from v3.0 to v2.0 compared to how often people would have to copy save files across from 2.0 to 3.0?
You have a point. Upgrading and forgetting the old release is the most common scenario.

However the games in development that just add new content without deleting old content are less than 50% in my experience. This one is one of those having some content in older releases which is not available in current release.

So some player like to play older releases again.
They are doomed to manually backup their persistent file every single time they switch, while without the AppData feature you would have to copy the save folder from v0.2 to v0.3 ONE SINGLE TIME when you install v0.3 FOR THE FIRST TIME, then the two releases would be totally independent and you could switch back an forward without any issue.

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If Ren'Py Developers thought that copying "game\save" (literally one Ctrl+C and one Ctrl+V in File Explorer) was a too difficult task for the typical user they could just have implemented their AppData feature with a PROMPT: "Do you wish to import your previous saves? [Y/N]", and most of all... "Do you wish to overwrite your local persistent file (created with v0.2) with the one in AppData (created with v0.3)? - Beware: you probably should not mix them! [Y/N]"

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If they think their users aren't tech-savvy enoug... overwriting their persistent file WITHOUT EVEN WARNING THEM is not the brightest idea to avoid them having tech troubles... :HideThePain:
 
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You have a point. Upgrading and forgetting the old release is the most common scenario.

However the games in development that just add new content without deleting old content are less than 50% in my experience. This one is one of those having some content in older releases which is not available in current release.

So some player like to play older releases again.
They are doomed to manually backup their persistent file every single time they switch, while without the AppData feature you would have to copy the save folder from v0.2 to v0.3 ONE SINGLE TIME when you install v0.3 FOR THE FIRST TIME, then the two releases would be totally independent and you could switch back an forward without any issue.

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If Ren'Py Developers thought that copying "game\save" (literally one Ctrl+C and one Ctrl+V in File Explorer) was a too difficult task for the typical user they could just have implemented their AppData feature with a PROMPT: "Do you wish to import your previous saves? [Y/N]", and most of all... "Do you wish to overwrite your local persistent file (created with v0.2) with the one in AppData (created with v0.3)? - Beware: you probably should not mix them! [Y/N]"

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If they think their users aren't tech-savvy enoug... overwriting their persistent file WITHOUT EVEN WARNING THEM is not the brightest idea to avoid them having tech troubles... :HideThePain:
If you think that this is the right place for your post here about how Ren'Py (and other games) behave, think again. Also for a forum used to know that people can't read above their own post or the OP (or the forum rules or .....) for some of them it is harder than rocket science to copy that data.

Also you all make Lin sad with talking about stuff that isn't centered about the game and story itself, so Lin demand some head pats for her:
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If Ren'Py Developers thought that copying "game\save" (literally one Ctrl+C and one Ctrl+V in File Explorer) was a too difficult task for the typical user they could just have implemented their AppData feature with a PROMPT: "Do you wish to import your previous saves? [Y/N]", and most of all... "Do you wish to overwrite your local persistent file (created with v0.2) with the one in AppData (created with v0.3)? - Beware: you probably should not mix them! [Y/N]"

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If they think their users aren't tech-savvy enoug... overwriting their persistent file WITHOUT EVEN WARNING THEM is not the brightest idea to avoid them having tech troubles... :HideThePain:
Sadly, you are talking about players who will try to play the game within the archive, even when there is a big red message on the title screen telling them what they need to do to make it work, who will then come ask us what is wrong, while showing us a screen shot of the message telling them what to do.

But, the point is, the rest of the world should not have to suffer, because there are some people who know nothing about how basic things function. People need to learn things somehow.

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I love Harem Hotel. Runey made a game where I went into it just wanting a fast playthrough, but when I downloaded the game, I saw "slave" as a tag and was like "oh BDSM", ......nope, not BDSM. Within seconds of seeing the flight attendant in a chained collar, I was like "oh no... I should stop playing." I didn't stop and fell in love with the characters. Lin's story is a true romance Cinderella story. Her worried about the MC being abusive to her, to the point of her saying "I hope someday we have a child together" is amazing.
 

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Hey, I played this game A LOT a few years ago, but i dropped it to wait for some specific content...is there any twincest action in it yet or any action between the other two sisters too?....please please please say yes...basically i'm looking for any F/F incest...twincest preferably, but i'll take what i can get. Especially if one of the girls is shy and slowly pushed into it by her sister.

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Hey, I played this game A LOT a few years ago, but i dropped it to wait for some specific content...is there any twincest action in it yet or any action between the other two sisters too?....please please please say yes...basically i'm looking for any F/F incest...twincest preferably, but i'll take what i can get. Especially if one of the girls is shy and slowly pushed into it by her sister.

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Yes There is twincest content but it's mild that's all I'll say because I don't want ruin it for newcoomers.;):devilish:
 

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Yes There is twincest content but it's mild that's all I'll say because I don't want ruin it for newcoomers.;):devilish:
that's unfortunate...i'm gonna check it out, but this has been in development long enough with both a lesbian and an incest tag to make the fact it isn't fully integrated yet pretty fucking aggravating. ESPECIALLY considering there's at least 3 sets of sisters in the hotel. But like i said...i'm coming back now....it's been too long. When i left several years ago it felt like both the black haired sisters and the twins were getting close...sad that it hasn't progressed much since then. :(
 

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that's unfortunate...i'm gonna check it out, but this has been in development long enough with both a lesbian and an incest tag to make the fact it isn't fully integrated yet pretty fucking aggravating. ESPECIALLY considering there's at least 3 sets of sisters in the hotel. But like i said...i'm coming back now....it's been too long. When i left several years ago it felt like both the black haired sisters and the twins were getting close...sad that it hasn't progressed much since then. :(
There are things with both sets.
 

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that's unfortunate...i'm gonna check it out, but this has been in development long enough with both a lesbian and an incest tag to make the fact it isn't fully integrated yet pretty fucking aggravating. ESPECIALLY considering there's at least 3 sets of sisters in the hotel. But like i said...i'm coming back now....it's been too long. When i left several years ago it felt like both the black haired sisters and the twins were getting close...sad that it hasn't progressed much since then. :(
Yeah, tags (incest) usually saying that it must be an abundance for that content.o_O
To write it plain: Incest isn't a main tag and it is side content (IMHO).
 

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can anyone kind enough to share their save file ? my harddisk corrupt and i must download this game again, i hate to play from the first again.
 

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