DraxisSilencer1000

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Hello, can you please describe in more details what is the problem with the savefiles? Why do you need some sort of work around?
I don't know if its related but try to use a save file that's been modified. Like try to modify your money to be 99999 then load that, the prompt that appears whenever I load a modified save shows up. Whenever I want to use those saves, I always try to press "yes" but it still doesn't work.

Pressing yes just returns me back to the save menu, without actually loading my modified save file.

I tried this method to easily increase the Lewd and sex positions count, pressing yes always just returns me to the save menu.

If you managed to find a way, please remove that feature where it always ask whether to use a modified save file or not. It should just allow it by default.
 

Marpel69

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Wow the hypocrisy on this MC...

Chris: You seem like a creep that will use mind control on innocent girls to make them into your sex slaves!
MC: *GASP* I am horribly offended by your baseless accusations that i would abuse this power for something like that!
Alice: Hey MC you should experiment more with you mind control as it might be useful for us in the future.
MC: Great idea! And clearly the only way to do this is to find a random innocent girl and turn her into my sex slave! Yup there is definitively no possible other way to to test this, no sir!

And all the while Alice and the MC keep gaslighting Chris and treating her like she is paranoid and unreasonable despite her analysis of the MC being spot on. :sick:
Well, that's not how it was supposed to work... It actually was one of the problems we had while writing the draft of our story. We tried to make a game with mind control and training, while not making MC a villain. We tried to solve this problem with several things:

1) MC doesn't have a choice really. As Alice said, to progress, fight the bad guys back and maybe stop all the scientist situation, he needs to upgrade his device. And this is the safest choice to do that.
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which makes all that kind of consensual. You can ask Alice about that in first mindcontrol event.
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3) Giving player a choice on how he is going to use his device. It's possible to complete this section of the game with the lewdest action being just telling her to undress for progressing with the control level.

Also after Alice's suggestion MC thinks about for some time. After that time he understands that he needs to do it (in scene where we allow player to go to the cafe) and only then he starts mind controlling Yuki.
 

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Well, that's not how it was supposed to work... It actually was one of the problems we had while writing the draft of our story. We tried to make a game with mind control and training, while not making MC a villain. We tried to solve this problem with several things:

1) MC doesn't have a choice really. As Alice said, to progress, fight the bad guys back and maybe stop all the scientist situation, he needs to upgrade his device. And this is the safest choice to do that.
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which makes all that kind of consensual. You can ask Alice about that in first mindcontrol event.
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3) Giving player a choice on how he is going to use his device. It's possible to complete this section of the game with the lewdest action being just telling her to undress for progressing with the control level.

Also after Alice's suggestion MC thinks about for some time. After that time he understands that he needs to do it (in scene where we allow player to go to the cafe) and only then he starts mind controlling Yuki.
He needs to experiment, there is no reason he had to do anything sexual if he did not want to. The train of thought he used to justify that was just absurd, there are hundreds of safe nonsexual things she would normally not do he could have commanded instead, like putting on a Teletubby costume and go out in the streets and sing children's songs or whatever (obviously exaggerated example but you get the point).

Regarding your "she wrote stuff about mind control on the internet so it's kind of consensual" (and yes i read that part of the phone conversation) argument i honestly find it kind of disturbing... If someone IRL expressed an interest in rape fantasies do you think that someone who raped her should not be punished and has done no wrong because "she wrote about fantasizing about it online so that makes it kind of consensual"?

To finish of i guess i should clarify that i have nothing against mind control porn, in fact i love it and the mind control part is why i downloaded the game in the first place and the Yuki scenes are probably my favorite content (with the caveat that i have not finished the game yet). My issue was with the characters hypocrisy and the way he and Alice interacted with Chris and her suspicions, which again turned out to be at least partially correct and justified. I never worried about the MC being a villain as i have nothing against villain protagonists as long as they are well written.
 
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FatYoda

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Regarding the incest, people here are mostly looking for relatives of the MC, they want to engage into that taboo, not into having a relationship with "random" girls who are only related to each other. So a little more info on that would be cool.
actually i would prefer to have relations with girls who are related to each other. I love lesbian incest..especially the aforementioned lesbian twincest. Don't assume we all wanna fuck our mom. I would be down for a sister or cousin too though.
 

CamaroFan432

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actually i would prefer to have relations with girls who are related to each other. I love lesbian incest..especially the aforementioned lesbian twincest. Don't assume we all wanna fuck our mom. I would be down for a sister or cousin too though.
That's why I wrote MOSTLY. And I'm tired of so called harem games having lesbian content, too, and many others are as well. Basically every "harem" game has nowadays lesbian content. But that's no harem then, that's polyamorous. The rework of the tagging system can't come fast enough and will hopefully stop this nonesense with harem and lesbian combined content. Nothing againtst folks like you, who enjoy lesbian content.
 

FatYoda

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That's why I wrote MOSTLY. And I'm tired of so called harem games having lesbian content, too, and many others are as well. Basically every "harem" game has nowadays lesbian content. But that's no harem then, that's polyamorous. The rework of the tagging system can't come fast enough and will hopefully stop this nonesense with harem and lesbian combined content. Nothing againtst folks like you, who enjoy lesbian content.
I know you said mostly...but i rarely see anyone making twincest content and this dude said he wanted to and i saw you saying this so I had to put my 2 cents in in the hopes it would stay in the plans.
 
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I know you said mostly...but i rarely see anyone making twincest content and this dude said he wanted to and i saw you saying this so I had to put my 2 cents in in the hopes it would stay in the plans.
Let's be real, if he keeps it, it probably will be only kissing and touching/mutual mastrubation, not even real lesbian content, like almost always. I've barely seen any male protag games with real lesbian content, not that I want to. And I don't see the appeal to have lesbian content in male protag games. If someone wants lesbian content, play a fem protag game. Same with gay content in fem protag games, doesn't make any sense.
 

FatYoda

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Let's be real, if he keeps it, it probably will be only kissing and touching/mutual mastrubation, not even real lesbian content, like almost always. I've barely seen any male protag games with real lesbian content, not that I want to. And I don't see the appeal to have lesbian content in male protag games. If someone wants lesbian content, play a fem protag game. Same with gay content in fem protag games, doesn't make any sense.
It makes plenty of sense...I'm a guy who likes to have 3somes with women who play with each other too...it's not that weird...I picked Josie/Maya path in Being a Dick because of it...despite Jill being best girl. But you're right too, I would look for a 1 guy many girl polyamoury tag if it existed, but ti doesn't, so i'm stuck trying to find harem tags with some group sex scenes in them.
 
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CamaroFan432

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It makes plenty of sense...I'm a guy who likes to have 3somes with women who play with each other too...it's not that weird...I picked Josie/Maya path in Being a Dick because of it...despite Jill being best girl. But you're right too, I would look for a 1 guy many girl polyamoury tag if it existed, but ti doesn't, so i'm stuck trying to find harem tags with some group sex scenes in them.
For threesomes, there is no need to include lesbian content. Threesomes can also happen in harems, that wasn't my concern. The girls touching and kissing each other while they're with the guy, can also be explained by "in the heat of the moment", but doesn't necessarily need lesbian content or be tagged with it. But lets stop here, before we get punished by the moderators.
 
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Looks as a potentially great game, if quite grindy. The lewd scene grind (Yuki) is sort of OK though, because the control level that you need to achieve kinda matches the level scene count, so you can sort of watch through most content during control leveling, without much repeat.

The everyday movement through base is very annoying though, and does nothing except mechanically adding minutes to spend on mindless clicking. Yes, there is a shortcut for going to cafe, but not for anything else. In general, it would be decent, if every location (base and any others, if added) would have 1 click to go from one room to the other. The only place where such filler time is used, *is* in actual porn movies, where you can frequently see the girls walking to the sex scene for no better reason than to add minutes to the movie. Well, they at least are usually pleasing to eye, so you can kinda fantasize about them while they walk. But here having to do 3-4 clicks instead of 1 doesn't give any bonus.

I chose to progress Yuki as far as I could, while doing the rest of the paths as little as possible (just to pass mornings and Mondays where Yuki is not in her place). Now I am stuck at Yuki lv4 control 6/6 -- mcontrol scene doesn't advance time and is locked at lv4, and chat option is greyed out with saying "you need to gain more control"...

Looked at talking to Alice & others, but nothing that can be done immediately. Is it because I need to progress with story or what?

Also, there now appears "Advanced event hint" in option list for Mia and (I think Amber) when in respective wing. But clicking on it always just gives "(I think I've already done everything I could)". What gives?

In general, for such a sandboxy game, some hint system would be nice.
 
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Marpel69

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Hey, thanks for sharing your opinion. I'll try to explain why we implemented some of our design choices.

The everyday movement through base is very annoying though, and does nothing except mechanically adding minutes to spend on mindless clicking.
The reason we have a movement system in the first place is for the player to "stumble upon" some things while they are moving between main content, like hideout girls' events or Yuki content. For example, you can walk through a living room, notice Mia watching TV and watch it alongside her. It's a small thing, but I think stuff like this is important for the immersion. Or you can stumble upon a girl in a costume you asked her to wear. (And in later versions you'll be able to have sex with her dressed like that in that room)

Yes, there is a shortcut for going to cafe, but not for anything else. In general, it would be decent, if every location (base and any others, if added) would have 1 click to go from one room to the other.
We tried to keep all the main locations within one-two clicks from each other. For example, to reach each of girls' rooms from MC's room you just need two clicks. The same goes for the Bar. One click to reach Living room. Could you share what route seemed tedious to you and required too much clicks?

Now I am stuck at Yuki lv4 control 6/6 -- mcontrol scene doesn't advance time and is locked at lv4, and chat option is greyed out with saying "you need to gain more control"...
Fourth level of Yuki's control is the max level in this update (There is a message congratulating you, for reaching it in the last chat event with her)

Looked at talking to Alice & others, but nothing that can be done immediately. Is it because I need to progress with story or what?
If you mean that you can't ask them to "have fun" in their rooms, then most likely you just need to progress more with the girls, to get to their more spicy content.

Also, there now appears "Advanced event hint" in option list for Mia and (I think Amber) when in respective wing. But clicking on it always just gives "(I think I've already done everything I could)". What gives?
This message appears if you've already done everything needed to unlock all optional scenes in combined Mia's and Amber's event.

In general, for such a sandboxy game, some hint system would be nice.
We do have hints for girls events. If you click on the door, see a "*new event*" button and press it, but don't have some of the necessary conditions, the hint will pop up.

Looks as a potentially great game
Thanks! We are working on removing "potentially" from this sentence :)
 

BlasKyau

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I restarted the game, and I didn't remember that we have to choose a name for the MC (there could be a predefined one). I hit the keyboard and lñp came out, so that will be the name.

Marpel69, I like it better when there is already a predefined name and if I hit enter it uses that one.
 

Marpel69

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I restarted the game, and I didn't remember that we have to choose a name for the MC (there could be a predefined one). I hit the keyboard and lñp came out, so that will be the name.

Marpel69, I like it better when there is already a predefined name and if I hit enter it uses that one.
Hey. Thought about that during the development, but decided against it because we didn't and still don't want MC to have some sort of "canon" name. Hmmm... Maybe a solution would be to add an array of common names and offer one of them as default...
We'll think about it.
 

BlasKyau

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Hey. Thought about that during the development, but decided against it because we didn't and still don't want MC to have some sort of "canon" name. Hmmm... Maybe a solution would be to add an array of common names and offer one of them as default...
We'll think about it.
Well, in the meantime he will be called lñp (in capital letters LÑP), which I don't know how to pronounce, so it's nice that I don't have to tell anyone.
 

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So much later on in Yuki's development we learn that she harbors a mind control and bondage kink. Doesn't this render the MC's experiment data tainted? We note that as we go on she starts acting more submissively on her own, suggesting that the effects of the mind control are starting to be resisted and she's now starting to just play along because it's her thing.

Shouldn't we find someone who doesn't have a mind control kink for this test? Presumably the people at EvilCo(R) aren't going to be into this, and we really don't want to find out during our rescue mission that our device was much less capable than we expected because the waitress subconsciously just wanted to get her rocks off. I mean we live in a big city, certainly there are other people that would be suitable for testing.

Finally, I know it's a porn game, but the MC going "the only things I could ask them would be either illegal, immoral, or kinky, so kinky it is" was breathtakingly self-serving. Like he couldn't think of ANYTHING else but those three options? Not even something like "make a coffee and dump it on the floor so you have to clean it up". Or any one of a million other possibilities for things she wouldn't do that aren't breaking the law or abusing her body.
 

Marpel69

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So much later on in Yuki's development we learn that she harbors a mind control and bondage kink. Doesn't this render the MC's experiment data tainted? We note that as we go on she starts acting more submissively on her own, suggesting that the effects of the mind control are starting to be resisted and she's now starting to just play along because it's her thing.

Shouldn't we find someone who doesn't have a mind control kink for this test? Presumably the people at EvilCo(R) aren't going to be into this, and we really don't want to find out during our rescue mission that our device was much less capable than we expected because the waitress subconsciously just wanted to get her rocks off. I mean we live in a big city, certainly there are other people that would be suitable for testing.

Finally, I know it's a porn game, but the MC going "the only things I could ask them would be either illegal, immoral, or kinky, so kinky it is" was breathtakingly self-serving. Like he couldn't think of ANYTHING else but those three options? Not even something like "make a coffee and dump it on the floor so you have to clean it up". Or any one of a million other possibilities for things she wouldn't do that aren't breaking the law or abusing her body.
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About the second thing... Yeah, maybe we need to make the MC's choice of mind controlling her through lewd actions more non-alternative. We'll think about it
 

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Sorry, we both don't know what that is.
We just made a metro map that looks kind of realistic.
Arrow is an American TV series based on a DC Comics character (Batman creators). This map is a very very close copy of one used on a notebook in the series. Thought maybe you were fans.
 
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