As someone who usually enjoys NTR (NTR comes in many ways, and I only like a specific type), I agree that over the years the number of NTR releases increased. However, a substantial part of the games that has the NTR tag barely contains NTR. It's just 1 sharing scene in the middle of a harem game. Or just a flashback. It's actually annoying.
Has there not been an uptick in NTR/Cheating games?
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People see what they wish to see. Concrete data contrary to previous beliefs brings cognitive dissonance, which brings pain. Because the process is painful they wish to end it quickly, so they choose 3 things:
1) Attempt to argue other data, studies etc, then you go down the path of the isolated academic pouring over studies arguing about how n = x, or that the study was unreliable because the sample size was not geographically, ethnically or numerically sound, biased because of the authors own personality, or that the publisher is not an accredited academic institution.
2) Ignore, derail, post memes, get angry, ad hominem etc, this one tends to be the easiest and the go to response, but it's underlined by either low self esteem, self denial of the validity of your ideas but feeling like losing them is losing a part of yourself, inability to defend said point of view, the idea that might makes right and that he who shouts the loudest or is willing to actually fight for their ideals by punching the other person is right, or sometimes just apathy, they want to vent but without consequence, narcissism in that their opinion must be heard and we have 'Free Speech' but that does not mean that other people don't have the same free speech to reply to them, or they might just post memes to get everyone to laugh and abandon the fear and anger of being serious about things that people cannot really change.
3) They realise that by assimilating this information they become a much more stronger person in that their intellect grows, they cultivate the EXTREMELY RARE ability to self analyse themselves and see their flaws and weaknesses as opposed to the ego needing to defend against attack, and to essentially upgrade their old programs with new information or ways of thinking. They develop self honesty, but this can also go the other way if they are not careful and they essentially become someone who agrees with everything, cast adrift on an ocean of ideological possibilities. These are the people who you can drop into any situation or grouping and they see a truth to it, even if said truths conflict with each other. Here they are willing analyse themselves, but not the group or idea, all things contain a nugget of truth based on individual perception, so no-one is invalidated, but no-one is truly 'right'.
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It's not as complex as it seems, the purpose of a tag is to have a useful meaning, the NTR fetish is when the story intentionally invokes sexual jealousy. This one ain't rocket science, if the main character in a sex game, the character you are suppose to empathize with has a girl he's interested in fucked by another guy, that invokes sexual jealousy.
As for the increase, people consume a lot of porn and the number of people who consume so much porn that they need ever more hardcore fetishes increases daily, combined with a lot of self-esteem issues of people who consume a lot of porn, then combined with something that's already been mentioned, NTR is one of the few extreme fetishes patreon allows, and you get an increase in NTR.
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Aren't all women like spaghetti, straight until wet ?Yeah, women who'd even consider that are at least halfway dike... obviously.
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If I saw a bunch of bakeries opening up on one street that had only one bakery on it before, it's an odd thing that piques interest, same with how I perceived there to be more NTR games coming out than in the past. Me and everyone else making threads like this put that line in their premise as an attempt at good faith in this annoying ass discourse, cause I just wanted to ask around about this. I saw something that I thought was a trend, I checked, and saw a trend, though admittedly only due to falling victim to a confirmation bias. I was just trying to talk about the fucking thing without ten million cucks coming out of the woodwork to bog me down and shit talk me for supposedly trashing their fetish; all without ever actually talking about the fetish or having the discussion that I wanted to start in the first place. Everybody gets so goddamn sensitive, and I just wanted to talk about something I noticed without that shit, the same as the guy from the thread you linked did, I suspect.
Now, as for the actual discussion, your data is solid, and I can admit that, perhaps, I was under some frequency illusion, or that it was a simple, slight trend that might happen for any genre, and that NTR was nothing particular. I will not argue any further with you on this matter.
However, your decorum irks me. You've done something, to put it frankly, highly autistic, which is why some others think you're mad or coming off as caring more than I suspect you do. You're taking up a statistician's view of a casual observation. Going back to the bakery thing, it's as if you heard me mention the bakeries opening, and then started bringing up all sorts of market analysis and market trends in the local area, and you've just started talking my ear off. Alright, I get it, quantitatively, it makes perfect sense, and it's really a normal amount of bakeries opening. I was only making the qualitative observation that I'm seeing more bakeries opening, though. I wasn't saying that more bakeries are going to continue opening, nor that there is currently a trend upwards, but that there seemed to be more bakeries than usual. You could've simply given the data and said, "Nah, silly, look at the data, you're just seeing things," and I think everybody would've just shrugged their shoulders and went about their day understanding that there's not really any more NTR games than there should normally be. But you're treating my simple inquiry as if I were really saying anything more than "I think there's more NTR games than there used to be. I checked and there were more than I expected, but am I just seeing things?"
I mean, I didn't even make a real hypothesis, nor really check any of the available data, just checked if I was just seeing things. Like you pointed out, only one and half a page is a terribly low sample size, I wouldn't ever seriously put out a claim that the NTR game count is increasing based off of literally one and a half page of the games forum entries; which is why I just asked, and why this whole post is put forth as just an inquiry.
I don't know, maybe it's just me taking the wrong tone from your message. Feels like the etiquette on this site is all weird and cringe, like on Reddit. Anybody even seemingly negative towards something (in this case, my questioning as to a potential increase in NTR games being taken as a expression of disapproval towards them) must be torn down and thoroughly dismissed with as much speed as possible. The slightest shade of negative feelings are snatched up and placed in front of a firing range, but instead of actually just shit talking people, there's a majority breed of guys with way too much time that do it all passively aggressively, such that there is no bitter taste of defeat, nor sweet taste of a potential victory; just a bland taste of nothing and a feeling of having wasted semi-precious time on non-precious discussion. Slightly critique some element in a game? No, no, no, you need to understand the developer's hard, hard life, and it's so hard making a game, and it's so hard, and it's really hard, so ignore your own thoughts, and only lick the dev's asshole as much as possible, k? Even if the critique was just that the font wasn't so good... idk, I'm just talking at this point.
tl;dr You're right in saying that my initial belief was wrong, and I have no issue admitting that... in theory. However, the way you did it, mostly that you took it way more seriously than I ever thought of it (and treated a simple inquiry as a serious hypothesis), irks me and makes me want to call you a douchebag, tell you to fuck off, and pretend like your data is actually garbage. You Redditor. Other than that, I hope we amicably part with mutual understand.
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Ah, drat. I should've saved everyone some time, and included some points on how all the new games are trash with no incest. I already asked if the uploaders were cucks, so I think I got the last one by a technicality at least.
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I'm not going to read your wall of protestation, simply noting that the level at which you are protesting makes me think of Queen Gertrude's response from Hamlet: Methinks thou doest protest too much.
I mean it's been 12 days since the last post in this thread and now you've smoldered long enough that you feel you have earned the right to dress me down and slap me with some label you think is offensive ... which tells a lot more about you than it does about me (and, no, I've never had such a diagnosis).
That being said - your accusation is nothing like what happened. I didn't happen to have simply "heard you mention" - you specifically put out a public post with a poll which means you wanted input. Specifically, you were searching for a consensus which supported your unfounded and incorrect biased perception so that you could feel validated in your bias. As for "some others think you're mad or coming off as more caring" - there was one. One person gave a shit to push back and I shared knowledge about stats, the others that had fun with me in the thread are known compatriots on this site who were joshing around with me in that aspect.
What I did was only about 10 minutes of work (plus maybe 5 minutes with the additional edit) because instead of searching to see if your perception had already be asked by someone who did share your belief - you created a thread. All I had to do was copy/paste my old work and look up 2... that's right 2 numbers, and then do a couple of simply maths calculations. I followed that with about 250 words.
If my response would have supported your bias, you would have pointed to my post as validation and thumped your chest. Instead, shown wrong, you're belittling the work.
Enjoy your day.
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If you spend lot of time checking the Latest Updates tab, you'll notice that similar games tend to get approved at around the same time. Whether it's because of the taste of the mods, the taste of the uploaders, or some weird SEO thing, I can't say. What I can say is that certain forum members with tens of thousands of forum posts wouldn't know that because they're not here for games, they're here to win huge internet fights. It's best to add them to your ignore list.
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I don't know if its a case of there not being as many coming out specific to the ntr fetish or just a decrease across games as a whole. I'm developing my own bbc sissy cuck twine game and participate in a lot of discords talking to other developers. I think there's a lot less motivation with the crackdown with sites like patreon or itch.io. Developers that would normally release a handful of twine games a year are now less financially motivated to do so. They either neuter their game to fit guidelines or they use alternative sites that are far less popular for support. It's also harder to promote these projects with social media sites cracking down and probably affecting SEO. Dealing with all of it causes some developers to throw in the towel. That's just what I've seen in my personal experience.
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I literally agreed with you and surrendered that you were right, so I don't really know where you're coming from. If you read far enough to get to the line where I called you autistic, which was not meant as an insult, but rather as a description (a failure to parse other peoples' intentions leading to a misunderstanding, common among people on the autism spectrum), you should've seen the part where I admitted my fault. Hell, reading the tl;dr, since my post was too long and you didn't read it, should've illustrated that I indeed agreed with you. I barely even questioned your data, for that matter, I surrendered the point that quickly.
Really, my reply was primarily a critique of your behavior; like I said:
As for this reply of yours, where the fuck are you coming from? I didn't belittle the work, I admitted it was good, readily so, I just took issue with how and why (where you seemingly treated a simple inquiry as if it were a serious hypothesis to be defeated, instead of simply delivering the data, telling me I was wrong, and to have a good day) it was delivered. I wasn't searching for some consensus; if I had, I wouldn't have given any options for no, and I wouldn't have given so many options for yes, where there was more nuance to the input. The fuck do you mean I was searching for confirmation? The only justification I can see for you believing that was that I mentioned looking through the current games and I saw more than I thought would be there. That was only me giving more detail to my inquiry, though; I mentioned that I saw more than usual, so I wanted to know if anybody else had seen anything similar.
This reply is more of what I meant, what I was protesting. You're annoying, plain and simple. Annoying in a particular and specific way that makes me feel compelled to recommend you to a
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. But, anyway, that's really it. You can't even accept victory when I give it to you, so why bother talking more? Hell, this community is likely full of people who are like you and thus take no issue with how you are, cause everyone is like that, so this post is pointless, really. You really can't parse what others are saying at all, I think, and I'll leave it at that.P.S. I wasn't "smoldering" over the thread for 12 days, I just don't make a habit of logging into and checking up on a porn game piracy forum. Everybody makes a point of saying how silly getting on this site is and having any kind of serious discussion on it, when it suits them, but when it comes to thinking you can insult somebody, now this is a serious place that you should be checking like an email? And I only didn't reply because I was smoldering, not because I was just not present to see any reply, agreeing or not? I only logged in this early (instead of leaving this forum for another month or two) cause I thought you might reply without having understood me, and lo, that's the case.
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I think it's more that people don't want a massive intellectual essay if they say anything. More so HOW it's delivered in context:
"Hey mate did you see the game last night?"
"Aw hell yeah brutha!"
"Well you two here are numerous intellectual peer-reviewed studies that show correlation between low IQ and social status vis a vis liking and partaking in physical contact sports."
"Bruh...STFU"
Even though correct, there is a time and place and a certain way of doing that, and admittedly he does sometimes miss the mark.
Here comes the "You're committing the Strawman Fallacy, here is a harvard study that indicates..."
Ah my kingdom for a school locker...
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Strawman.
I confer upon you a doctorate of thinkology.
However, we've had to cancel the commencement due to security issues. The winged monkeys are on their way at this very moment.
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Thanks, I get it from the Italian side of the family.
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I swear you do this deliberately.Thanks, I get it from the Italian side of the family.
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I think the kappa would make that obvious. (It's a twitch emote meaning sarcasm)I swear you do this deliberately.