Has there not been an uptick in NTR/Cheating games?

[DigitalMan]

Take a quick look at the games forum; how long do you have to scroll before finding an NTR game? In the past, I'd say, easily, something like one and a half pages, unless you got (un)lucky and opened the forum as soon as it dropped. Now, though, the better question is, how many NTR games are you likely to find in one and a half pages? Right now, for me? Seven. Seven NTR games, out of thirty, as each page displays twenty new uploads. Now, I don't have that much of an issue with NTR, hell, if it's well-written and well-made, I might even say I like it, but guys... Isn't it supposed to be like, a sub-genre? Why does it seem like it's been enjoying far more mainstream popularity? I mean, this is like noise rock being anywhere near the Billboard 100, that's... odd, no?

For that matter, it was the same case not too long ago with the main porn sites as well, wasn't it? Felt like on every site, there was a mandatory BBC cuckoldry video or two on the front page. Now, it seems to have stopped and faded, though it's still definitely more prevalent than it was some years ago. Are we just experiencing that same trend, but delayed? Or are the uploaders just a bunch of cucks? I mean, I certainly feel like there are some uploaders I haven't seen ever before, but then again, I never was paying much attention to who uploaded what.

 

[hu lover]

you bring up a good point, most games i have played on here rarely have any NTR within the game, and throughout this forum i rarely see any games that have NTR. perhaps the genre is not as popular or recognized anymore, people prefer more favorable genres such as preggo or furry.

 

[HELIO CESAR]

Today i thought to myself that this week had a good amount showing up, but its random bro, some weeks there is a wave of incest games, others it's harem, some femdom.
Could be people trying new things due to porn addiction or just devs trying to appease to a 'big sub genre'.

But it's still not close to be a major genre, couldn't tell accurately by f95 but let take nhentai for example:
- this search "languages:"english" -netorare -sharing -netorase -cheating" gave 95,995 results.

Even went in a catch all that could be interpreted as ntr.
While ntr or the likes gave:
- 8,960 "languages:"english" netorare"
- 152 "languages:"english" netorase"
- 8,414 "languages:"english" cheating"
total 17,526

I counted only the ones in english because i suppose it would evidence the tags that english speaking people are more interested.

cheating is a ambiguous one because most of the time it's only about the cheater relationship with another part, it's mostly about netori or infidelity. But even when including it, it would be only 18% of all porn, without the cheating tag it would be about 9.5%.
To make a comparison works with any kind of futa are about 10,7% of all works, and yaoi about 10%.

It's is more common nowadays, but not more than any other niche tag.
I would really put my coins in it being just people trying new things because porn addiction makes vanilla porn dull haha.
Most of times devs put it to add flavour as optional paths, it's still pretty rare native english games fully dedicated to ntr.

 

[Count Morado]

It hasn't even been a year.... https://f95zone.to/threads/what-is-...e-in-so-called-ntr-games.170252/post-11425658

So, let's compare:

	ALL GAMES	NETORARE GAMES
As of 05 Apr 2024	17,428	1,446 (8.3%)
Introduced (or newly tagged) Aug 2023 - Apr 2024	2,425	280 (11.5%)
As of 06 Aug 2023	15,003	1,166 (7.7%)
Introduced or updated Aug 2022 - Aug 2023 (not flagged abandoned, on-hold, completed)	3,486	352 (10.1%)

Based upon the data above - there has been slightly higher percentage of games tagged netorare in the past 6 months than has been seen in the year prior to that. However, it is not significant in change.

Although the percentage is slightly higher, currently - making a prediction now would be like going outside in the middle of summer and saying that based upon the rise in temperature over the previous 6 months, the next six months are going to keep getting hotter for the rest of the year. A person still needs to take into consideration the cycle of the seasons and previous trends, etc.

There are still 11 games without netorare on listed on this site for every 1 listed with netorare.

EDIT: Also, looking at the 100 most recent games introduced to F95, 8 have the netorare tag (nearly matching the prevalence in the total number of games - both today and 6 months ago, but fewer than what has been seen within the past 6 months). There just isn't that much of a deviation in the numbers to state anything more than "more observations are needed."

Now, I don't have that much of an issue with NTR

I always love when people put this in their premise - if it wasn't an issue, you wouldn't have bothered with this post.

As for me, I don't fucking give a shit about netorare, but I do give a shit about presenting correct and relevant data for people to make proper observations.

you bring up a good point,

They do not.

 

[Hagatagar]

numbers numbers numbers numbers

Count Morado when he collects data and makes statistic posts:

 

[Count Morado]

Count Morado when he collects data and makes statistic posts:

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[chainedpanda]

It hasn't even been a year.... https://f95zone.to/threads/what-is-...e-in-so-called-ntr-games.170252/post-11425658

So, let's compare:

	ALL GAMES	NETORARE GAMES
As of 05 Apr 2024	17,428	1,446 (8.3%)
Introduced (or newly tagged) Aug 2023 - Apr 2024	2,425	280 (11.5%)
As of 06 Aug 2023	15,003	1,166 (7.7%)
Introduced or updated Aug 2022 - Aug 2023 (not flagged abandoned, on-hold, completed)	3,486	352 (10.1%)

Based upon the data above - there has been slightly higher percentage of games tagged netorare in the past 6 months than has been seen in the year prior to that. However, it is not significant in change.

Although the percentage is slightly higher, currently - making a prediction now would be like going outside in the middle of summer and saying that based upon the rise in temperature over the previous 6 months, the next six months are going to keep getting hotter for the rest of the year. A person still needs to take into consideration the cycle of the seasons and previous trends, etc.

There are still 11 games without netorare on listed on this site for every 1 listed with netorare.

EDIT: Also, looking at the 100 most recent games introduced to F95, 8 have the netorare tag (nearly matching the prevalence in the total number of games - both today and 6 months ago, but fewer than what has been seen within the past 6 months). There just isn't that much of a deviation in the numbers to state anything more than "more observations are needed."
I always love when people put this in their premise - if it wasn't an issue, you wouldn't have bothered with this post.

As for me, I don't fucking give a shit about netorare, but I do give a shit about presenting correct and relevant data for people to make proper observations.

They do not.

Wait, what am I missing here? OP suggested there has been an increase in NTR content, something your data confirmed. Granted, if your data is true, than OP did exaggerate the trend. However, if they don't have access to the same data, the only thing they can go off of is what they've noticed.

So, why so pissed off? OP asked several questions, noted the uptick in popularity, which your data DID confirm.. Then the OP asked if there was a reason why this is happening, which is honestly a decent question. If it was the bestiality tag, the question would still be valid.

You're data corroborated OPs theory, than you got mad about it? what?

 

[Count Morado]

Wait, what am I missing here? OP suggested there has been an increase in NTR content, something your data confirmed. Granted, if your data is true, than OP did exaggerate the trend. However, if they don't have access to the same data, the only thing they can go off of is what they've noticed.

So, why so pissed off? OP asked several questions, noted the uptick in popularity, which your data DID confirm.. Then the OP asked if there was a reason why this is happening, which is honestly a decent question. If it was the bestiality tag, the question would still be valid.

You're data corroborated OPs theory, than you got mad about it? what?

The data did NOT corroborate OP's theory. Within the studies in data, you are aware that in short periods of time, or in smaller samples within a greater population, there will undeniably be variations in the distribution of prevalence of examples.

See image:

Here, the total percentage of blue balls in the overall population is 60.4%. However, in the course of taking 10 samples, the percentage wildly ranges from 55% to 67%. So, a person who only takes one sample at one moment in time might pull the 55% and make the assumption that the trend is that fewer blue balls will be expected to be prevalent in the future. Another might pull the 67% and completely disagree with the first person. And a third might pull the 64% and 63%, disagree with the first person but while agreeing with the second might also disagree with the degree of change that should be expected.

Hence why I state specifically that there just isn't that much of a deviation in the numbers to state anything more than "more observations are needed." We've only two or three reference points of observation at this time (depending upon whether you count my original August 2023 as 1 or 2 points). It could be that games farther in the past actually had higher trends of netorare labeling but during 2020-2023, that trend shrank and is actually returning to a norm at this time. There are a variety of interpretations - and without more observation, it cannot be predicted.

Again, as I noted - although there is an appearance over the last 6 months that there appears to be a slightly higher number of games labeled with netorare than seen in the greater population, the data also showed that in the recent 100 uploads of games that the numbers more correlate to the overall population (of 8%).

The data do not support OP's hypothesis or their one time snapshot pull of looking at the latest updates. It currently shows statistical noise. It supports that more information and longer study is needed.

Also, these are top line numbers and not deeper dives into the data which we, as users of this site, do not have access to (such as when the netorare label was added - though my numbers in the table shows the total listed with netorare label, some of those might have been games which had netorare all along during the course of development for a year or longer but only recently received the label --- and vice versa).

Granted, if your data is true, than OP did exaggerate the trend. However, if they don't have access to the same data, the only thing they can go off of is what they've noticed.
So, why so pissed off?... You're data corroborated OPs theory, than you got mad about it? what?

Yes, they did exaggerate and they DO have access to the same data I have (I pulled this data that anyone with registered access on this site has availability to). They posted because they had a visceral knee-jerk reaction to a single moment in time (reread their post) of scrolling through the Latest Updates (edit: they were looking at the games forum listing of the last 30 games uploaded and said they found 7. See my follow up post) and seeing more games tagged netorare than they expected.

Instead of taking a breath and looking deeper, they used their confirmation bias to post this thread with a poll and made accusations and theories on why these numbers have increased in such a manner.

If you reread my post, you will see that I am not mad - and in fact offer a reasoned response without jumping to conclusions about what the data reveals... because there isn't enough observations to make a prediction.

The only sentence which you appear to be interpreting as anger is the following: As for me, I don't fucking give a shit about netorare, but I do give a shit about presenting correct and relevant data for people to make proper observations. And then attributing this concise and conspicuous statement about my own biases (seeing others not using data responsibly) to my entire post.

 

[chainedpanda]

My data did NOT corroborate OP's theory. Within the studies in data, you are aware that in short periods of time, or in smaller samples within a greater population, there will undeniably be variations in the distribution of prevalence of examples.

See image:
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Here, the total percentage of blue balls in the overall population is 60.4%. However, in the course of taking 10 samples, the percentage wildly ranges from 55% to 67%. So, a person who only takes one sample at one moment in time could make an assumption, might pull the 55% and determine that the trend is that fewer blue balls will be expected in the future. Another might pull the 67% and completely disagree with the first person. And a third might pull the 64% and 63%, disagree with the first person but while agreeing with the second might also disagree with the degree of change that should be expected.

Hence why I state specifically that there just isn't that much of a deviation in the numbers to state anything more than "more observations are needed."

Again, as I noted - although there is an appearance over the last 6 months that there appears to be a slightly higher number of games labeled with netorare than seen in the greater population, my data also showed that in the recent 100 uploads of games that the numbers more correlate to the overall population (of 8%).

My data does not support OP's hypothesis or their one time snapshot pull of looking at the latest updates. It currently shows statistical noise. It supports that more information and longer study is needed.

Also, these are top line numbers and not deeper dives into the data which we, as users of this site, do not have access to (such as when the netorare label was added - though my numbers in the table shows the total listed with netorare label, some of those might have been games which had netorare all along during the course of development for a year or longer but only recently received the label --- and vice versa).
Yes, they did exaggerate and they DO have access to the same data I have (I pulled this data that anyone with registered access on this site has availability to). They posted because they had a visceral knee-jerk reaction to a single moment in time (reread their post) of scrolling through the Latest Updates and seeing more games tagged netorare than they expected.

Instead of taking a breath and looking deeper, they used their confirmation bias to post this thread with a poll and made accusations and theories on why these numbers have increased in such a manner.

If you reread my post, you will see that I am not mad - and in fact offer a reasoned response without jumping to conclusions about what the data reveals... because there isn't enough observations to make a prediction.

The only sentence which you appear to be interpreting as anger is the following: As for me, I don't fucking give a shit about netorare, but I do give a shit about presenting correct and relevant data for people to make proper observations. And then attributing this concise and conspicuous statement about my own biases (seeing others not using data responsibly) to my entire post.

Fair enough, I think I could argue a bit, but don't really want to. Like most of the population, I don't really understand statistics. I do believe the OPs questions were valid, possibly because of my ignorance. I don't believe OP suggested a trend, but instead asked others if there was a trend, as such I don't believe OP was spreading any in factual data.

That said, you are correct that I assumed that line indicated anger. From my own confirmation bias, the only people on this site who gets more pissed off about NTR, are those who are pissed about NTR-haters. I simply assumed you were speaking as one. If this is incorrect, than I apologize.

Secondly, I've been on the site for a long time, but I've never seen a place where I can view statistics. I remember one user created a spreadsheet and updated it for a bit looking for trends, is that the same thing you're using? or is there another resource I'm unaware of?

 

[Count Morado]

They posted because they had a visceral knee-jerk reaction to a single moment in time (reread their post) of scrolling through the Latest Updates (edit: they were looking at the games forum listing of the last 30 games uploaded and said they found 7. See my follow up post) and seeing more games tagged netorare than they expected.

If they did mean they looked at the last 30 games newly posted in the game forum and "found 7" - there were only 5 games that had the netorare label of those 30. There were only 3 more in the next 70 games listed in the forum. That gives us the total of 8 that I mentioned that I found of the most recent 100 uploads in my original reply.

If they were looking at the Latest Updates page, those are not only new games, but games which already existed on F95 - and therefore do not show an increase, either. Simply showing that a few current games labeled with netorare recently were updated when comparing to other current games without that label.

the only people on this site who gets more pissed off about NTR, are those who are pissed about NTR-haters.

That is probably a fair observation and I do, at times, get pissed about NTR-haters. However, I have posted similar statistical responses for other genres/topics when people have used their biases to make assumptions rather than take a critical look. (Hence why Hagatagar kink-shamed me )

I remember one user created a spreadsheet and updated it for a bit looking for trends, is that the same thing you're using? or is there another resource I'm unaware of?

I simply use a combination of the Latest Updates page and the Games Forum - using filters and the like, a person can gather the data. Staff would have greater access to more intricate data resources, obviously - which a standard registered account user would need to take many hours in order to attempt to reconstruct without those tools.

 

[MAKE DEEPFAKES]

What we have is an uptick in NTR being mislabeled as just cheating.

 

[gunderson]

If this thread has improved even one person's data literacy skills, it will have been worth it.

Important note: the only reason to complain about a game's tag is either because you wanted to play that specific game otherwise but one of its newly added tags icks you out, or because notably fewer games/a notably lower percentage of games with your favorite tag are provably being made than before.

 

[aura-dev]

I wouldn't be surprised if there were a minor increase driven by GPT translations making it easier to produce legible translations of japenese RPGMaker games (e.g. by Dazed & Co). And among those, NTR is fairly popular. However, I doubt we are talking about a number that's statisically significant.

 

[anne O'nymous]

What we have is an uptick in NTR being mislabeled as just cheating.

You know that to be labelled as "NTR" it's the MC, not the player, that have to emotionally suffer, right ?

 

[tretch95]

I think it's just the regular hetero-dominant games disappearing.

Or they exist, but either have terrible graphics, boring VN / KN, or only get updated every 6-12 months. Some devs don't even manage an update a year.

All the unsavory content like NTR, furry, futa, femprotag and such is truly abundant in comparison.

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

All the unsavory content like NTR, furry, futa, femprotag and such is truly abundant in comparison.

And what, exactly, is unsavory about futa?

 

[tretch95]

And what, exactly, is unsavory about futa?

If you have to ask, you'll never figure it out anyways


It is disturbing to watch for hetero men, similar to sex with dogs or whatever

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

It is disturbing to watch for hetero men, similar to sex with dogs or whatever

Well, I was just memeing but now I have to point out that this is patently false. I, and many others, are straight as they come but still enjoy Futa on Female stuff. (Don't try to pull the whole "closet gay" thing on me, it's a tired argument. I don't even like watching dudes kiss. Nothing wrong with it, I just don't like it.)

 

[tretch95]

Well, I was just memeing but now I have to point out that this is patently false. I, and many others, are straight as they come but still enjoy Futa on Female stuff. (Don't try to pull the whole "closet gay" thing on me, it's a tired argument. I don't even like watching dudes kiss. Nothing wrong with it, I just don't like it.)

It is called bisexuality, which is a sexual preference disorder

 

[Insomnimaniac Games]

It is called bisexuality, which is a sexual preference disorder

Not bisexual either... did you read what I wrote?