VN Ren'Py Heliorise [v0.2.0b] [JBReverse]

[YogSothoth1982]

I have a feeling (might be wrong) that some players complaining about forced femdom either:

1. Miss the signs and pick the wrong choices (is not just 1 single choice femdom or not).
2. In reality are against any female character having a strong attitude (that in some cases might actually lead to femdom) and playig a central role in a story.

For 1 simply pay attention to the choices, others have highlighted how to avoid getting femdom scenes.
For 2... well not much can be done, if a player equates "powerful female character" in a setting to femdom, there's not much that can be done, besides ignore and move elsewhere.

Eisheth atm is by far the strongest being in the setting, is not even close, the MC is a noob, only now made aware of what he actually is, pretty much everyone around him (until the very end of this update) knows more.

That's the very premise of this AVN, and if I had to guess the whole point for the AVN to exist, a strong vampire unaware of who he is, who slowly realizes it and acts accordingly, maybe some would prefer a male character in place of Eisheth, but I doubt it would go down better.

In my case, I don't think I've even gotten past the intro. The truth is, I'm not sure where I left off, but I haven't played this latest update. There were a couple of moments where a female character gave me a strong sense of femdom (and it really had to do with what she said, not whether she was strong or not).

Anyway, I don't like the idea of replacing femdom with maledom either (I don't like femdom, and I don't like maledom).

 

[Joratox]

Like if you're not wholesome enough you lost Ella content but if you're not rebel enough you lost Belladona content.

Sorry to say, but if you don't have this kind of differences, you get cardboard personality characters. Complex personalities require complex interactions. It is quite normal to have to either be or act to be different, for different characters/situations. As for this game, just see what different characters like and give them the answers they seek (it won't impact your overall character personality that much). Ah and btw, rebel is contrasting with structured, not with wholesome. You can be rebel/wholesome as much as you can be structured/savage. If you go full rebel/savage, you might miss some opportunities on the more orderly way...the same stands if you are structured/wholesome, being too good/righteous might make u miss the more chaotic opportunities. I would say this is a good thing.

A harem game doesn't require you to have literally all the girls. Some can be avoided at times by direct personal choice (I like her or no) or indirectly by molding your character so that one or more of the girls will dislike it themselves. Or you can bend your choices to get them all. I can understand that some people enjoy having a harem of girls that are one dimensional and their only difference is their look, but I personally don't. Different strokes for different people.

 

[Ricthequick]

In my case, I don't think I've even gotten past the intro. The truth is, I'm not sure where I left off, but I haven't played this latest update. There were a couple of moments where a female character gave me a strong sense of femdom (and it really had to do with what she said, not whether she was strong or not).

Anyway, I don't like the idea of replacing femdom with maledom either (I don't like femdom, and I don't like maledom).

We keep finding eachother in various "supernatural" AVNs I see!
I think from what little interaction we had, yes this is probably not an AVN you would enjoy too much, I think it's a nice one, not great, but way above the average (or horrible) slop one can find on f95.

 

[kazeiheikaya]

Just finished the new update, and can tell you for sure, no femdom on the deny her path (hope path). You can tell her to fuck off, provided you do the relatively simple act of sticking to your choice throughout the story. ie, keep denying or use the icon thing in the corner (cant remember what the game named it now) when needed.

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Guess I'll have to start a new file and see, I was more or less just perturbed by the one single option having such a drastic difference between the two but had no evidence to support otherwise (unless forum provided) that I could get in or out of that line of "submissive" mc on the opposing path.

Also unrelated to reply, wasn't complaining about femdom specifically (I dont mind a little femdom, but "submissive trait" is a big mind) I just dont care for submissiveness, however, as said above it was more the split between the two, of how I got locked into a submissive MC from picking one singular option difference because of the path divergence. But I didnt want to have to restart a third time to confirm my suspicion (already had to restart to play the update) so I came to the forum to mention how that one splitting path lead to such drastic different outcomes and how I found it a bit weird since on the "hope" path you're denying her, but on the "dark(?)" path you're accepting her. For people that are seemingly confused of what I was originally saying.

It just comes off confusing to me as a reader, that I had such a massively different outcome with option A vs option B although everything leading up to both points was exactly the same, I feel like people are missing that part more than anything. All the choices were the same, outside the little bit of differences between the paths, but I had way more flexibility on A than B but it felt counter-intuitive in the grand scheme.

(For even more context, if only that choice mattered (which in my original post it was the only differentiating factor), if you would deny her on Route B, wouldn't you be more likely to pull your finger away, or try to resist her generally vs Route A where you more or less accept her, and atleast at the start find yourself more curious about what she's up to and what she's trying to do rather than being so guarded around her, thats where my logic goes. Why on Route A is MC so jumpy around her, but on Route B Mc's just like "eh i'll let this play out" lol.)

 

[Joratox]

Guess I'll have to start a new file and see, I was more or less just perturbed by the one single option having such a drastic difference between the two but had no evidence to support otherwise (unless forum provided) that I could get in or out of that line of "submissive" mc on the opposing path.

Also unrelated to reply, wasn't complaining about femdom specifically (I dont mind a little femdom, but "submissive trait" is a big mind) I just dont care for submissiveness, however, as said above it was more the split between the two, of how I got locked into a submissive MC from picking one singular option difference because of the path divergence. But I didnt want to have to restart a third time to confirm my suspicion (already had to restart to play the update) so I came to the forum to mention how that one splitting path lead to such drastic different outcomes and how I found it a bit weird since on the "hope" path you're denying her, but on the "dark(?)" path you're accepting her. For people that are seemingly confused of what I was originally saying.

It just comes off confusing to me as a reader, that I had such a massively different outcome with option A vs option B although everything leading up to both points was exactly the same, I feel like people are missing that part more than anything. All the choices were the same, outside the little bit of differences between the paths, but I had way more flexibility on A than B but it felt counter-intuitive in the grand scheme.

(For even more context, if only that choice mattered (which in my original post it was the only differentiating factor), if you would deny her on Route B, wouldn't you be more likely to pull your finger away, or try to resist her generally vs Route A where you more or less accept her, and atleast at the start find yourself more curious about what she's up to and what she's trying to do rather than being so guarded around her, thats where my logic goes. Why on Route A is MC so jumpy around her, but on Route B Mc's just like "eh i'll let this play out" lol.)

You can deny femdom on both Hope and Dark paths. It is not related to that. Hope and Dark paths are your character personality, not your sex route with Eisheth. Ofc, the Hope path is a bit harder since you need to fight her off, instead of getting more power easier. That is why I kept talking about reading and being attentive on how the characters react.
The important choices for how you interact sexually with Eisheth are pretty simple.

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If you pay attention to what Eisheth does/tells after each of those choices, you don't need a walkthrough or stuff to get it done.

 

[Axelfire2]

yeah this game needs an updated walk trough, because there is remarkable level of paths that are not actually dependent on the may 3 stats

 

[kazeiheikaya]

You can deny femdom on both Hope and Dark paths. It is not related to that. Hope and Dark paths are your character personality, not your sex route with Eisheth. Ofc, the Hope path is a bit harder since you need to fight her off, instead of getting more power easier. That is why I kept talking about reading and being attentive on how the characters react.
The important choices for how you interact sexually with Eisheth are pretty simple.

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If you pay attention to what Eisheth does/tells after each of those choices, you don't need a walkthrough or stuff to get it done.

word, will look into it. Like said I just didnt get the button on my hope path.