Hi there!
Just wanted to share my art of Rose, I hope you like it! She's definitely my favorite in the game
Just wanted to share my art of Rose, I hope you like it! She's definitely my favorite in the game
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First i wrote 90% but there are plenty out there that i haven't played so i was just being generous. xd
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I agree with so much of your post, but this here is really an important part of why I'm feeling so lukewarm on Chapter 3 as of late — the fact that it feels like the main story only progresses once every three or four months, and that progress doesn't feel very significant at all because the game is really dragging out the overarching mystery of the secret cult. It doesn't feel intriguing so much as frustrating.
More than anything, for Chapter 4... I truly, sincerely hope that it won't follow Chapter 3's format of having dedicated "Haylen" and "Lily" style updates as side-characters. The deeper we get into the game, the more it feels like those months are just the most brutal kind of momentum killers even when the actual content is very enjoyable. I like Haylen's character a lot and am very eager to see her story finally cross that big line, but even still, there is always a bit of disappointment with her updates because I know she is just perpetually playing catch-up with Cyanna and Rose in the main story, and that any month where Haylen gets the spotlight means that the main story doesn't move forward an inch during that time.
It would be like if Chapter 2 had five whole updates of its development devoted to Solana, where none of the other characters were allowed to do anything during those months other than get a couple of freeroam scenes.
Four girls is not too many. HC1 had three, HC2 had five, four is a healthy medium. The issue I'm having isn't the number it's the assignment of value and importance. Rose is the clear most important female character. You could remove any of the other three and the overall impact to the plot wouldn't be too big of a deal, but if you take out Rose then the story crumples. Cyanna is the obvious second most important as her storylines tend to support Rose and Leto's stories. The issue is that Haylen and Lily could be removed completely and the story could easily keep chugging along.
Because Lily and Haylen are only occasionally involved in the story their content is developed separate, which in turn slows down development of the main story which can cause the game to drag. Lily and Haylen do not move the plot forward so their updates feel less important. It's like how Rose and Cyanna had that split scene going for their cherry popping scenes, the difference in stakes between the two acts made Cyanna's scene feel completely insignificant. So when we get updates that are focused on Lily and Haylen everything else screeches to a halt and the content we get feels so much less valuable. Case in point, Rose and Cyanna have a major update, N_Taii moves and takes a month off, Lily and Haylen get updates, suddenly Rose and Cyanna don't get new scene for six months which makes content for Lily and Haylen feel even more tedious.
tldr; it's not the number of characters it's their relative importance that I have a problem with.
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I am with you on that.
Well... Not exactly. The loss of a lover, mother, sister, or child friend is common to the NTR trope. If people feel insignificance towards their story, it's either because the bond between them wasn't solidified enough in our conscience or their story haven't cross the main line yet. For example, I am with Brutus. Cyana's figure kept him alive while he was in deep shit as a kid or early teenager when he was enslaved and became a gladiator. He would fight and give every ounce of his will to have her.
As for Haylen, I don't get the feeling (again, I am only at mission 9, so I haven't seen everything so far) that she betrays something significant. She gives in to lust with a younger man, she is single, and the fact that she is a priest and has some inner moral issues when she falls into lust has nothing to do with us.
Regarding Lily, she has always been a lone wolf and very independent. While she has feelings for Leto, she has distanced herself from the beginning. I don't feel as attached to her.
TLDR: I like their stories, but more as individuals, not as part of a grand betrayal scheme. I understand why people may not enjoing them. They have a more realistic background not a hentai one
Yes exactly. I'm not talking about how they fit into the NTR trope category, I'm talking about how the content for Lily and Haylen is distinct from the main plot. The NTR roles they fulfill is completely irrelevant topic at hand, the topic at hand is purely how their content is treated and how it is implemented. Chop it out and from a main narrative perspective nothing is lost. Focus on it exclusively and the main plot grinds to a halt. This is irrefuable fact. When major events happen, such as they did in the most recent update, and we shift to Lily or Haylen it can feel like a wasted update. This issue could be rectified if they were treated as part of the main plot and their content was developed more in tandem with Rose and Cyanna's.
You are not even halfway through the game as the most recent Patreon update is all the way to quest 21. You have yet to experience the story events I'm referring to and on top of that you're not experiencing major events as they happen and then waiting four to six months between updates for those characters. Your perspective on the issues I'm complaining about are completeley different by pure virtue of the fact that our experiences with the game are antipodal.
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Update 11 is actually slightly shorter than more recent updates. It makes up for this by keeping the pace brisk, playing up the drama, and then delivering with some a couple great scenes and some killer freeroams.
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The way you present it on your First paragraph might give the impression that you don't care much for Haylen's and Lily's stories. However, the story is not solely about the peacekeepers or Rose or Cyana, it primarily revolves around Leto and his betrayal of loved ones. In many stories, the focus isn't just on one element but rather on how the main character, through various situations, undergoes transformation. That's why their stories are crucial. It's not solely about the country it's more about Leto.
Now, as for your second half, we don’t have to agree. Believe it or not, we are not antipodal, on the contrary, we are on the same page, mostly. Our only difference is that I see they could have a role in Leto’s betrayal during the great reveal when he seeks help, and they will choose their significant other instead of him. You are focusing on the main plot. When the developer has to work on other content in the story that you find boring, it’s obvious why you feel that way. If my statements are incorrect throughout the game, I will report it in about a month when I finish the game update.
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I've been thinking about buying the new Crusader Kings DLC but this autistic friend of mine has also been nagging me constantly this last couple of weeks to buy the upcoming Elden Ring DLC so that we can "play the game at the same time when it comes out" ???
Anyhow, while i was going back and forth between the two games i stumbled upon this:
*sigh* Fine, i'll buy this damn game when it comes out on Steam....jeez.
Anyhow, while i was going back and forth between the two games i stumbled upon this:
*sigh* Fine, i'll buy this damn game when it comes out on Steam....jeez.
For fairness sake i have to mention that i haven't played the last two updates. That said, the last time i played Roses or Cyannas storyline was back in August 23. Wild, isn't it?
How much has their story progressed since then? If the game would end after another nine updates - how far would we even come? You are right saying that shouldn't work unless the pacing would pick up. I hope it won't turn out like the SAO-game:
First slow build-up then the developer suddenly increases the pace. I do prefer steady progression over instant corruption and i don't like ntr games in which the fmc is enjoying the antagonists dick already in the second scene.
But ultimately i care most for a consisent game. The same pacing/progression from start to finish.
I bought ck3 but dropped it after playing the tutorial. I HATE to learn (complicated) new games. Which is funny because i play HoI4 or EU4...
Interstingly enough i'm right in the middle between you and Oriandu. I don't see the side girls and their storylines as unneccassary. As you say it's about the ntr and how they get taken away from Leto.
On the other hand i can't help but have the feeling that their storylines feels like a filler. You get to feel how the story actually moves forward whenever you play Cyannas or Roses questline but Haylen or Lilys feels ... i don't know how to describe it, it feels off somehow.
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The word that I would use is "meandering." At least for Haylen's, that is very much how it feels to me. There is very little sense of having dramatic stakes or any kind of external pressure pushing events forward with a sense of dread. Update after update, it feels like her storyline is mostly just coming up with ways to kill time between each milestone that it is supposed to hit, so that it never gets ahead of Cyanna and Rose.
But those events don't really flow together in a way that feels like it is building up to something with a purpose in mind, like with Rose's burden of responsibility to protect her people (and, by extension, Leto) or Cyanna's frustrations from her unrequited love bubbling up to a breaking point. The closest you can say for Haylen is that she's suffering from empty nest syndrome with both of her kids now living their own lives without needing her as much, and while that does have potential to be just as interesting as a flaw or vulnerability for her, I don't think that Haylen's relationship with Leto hasn't changed much at all since the timeskip. And that makes each sidequest feel increasingly repetitive when it just comes down to the same process of "Haylen takes Leto somewhere, and then Jazon pesters her for something sexual until she gives in because she sees a glimpse of something sympathetic about him."
Haylen does seem like a missed opportunity. In most situations a nun having sex goes one of two ways. She's either already a giant fucking sloot who became a nun to try and get her life right and winds up losing to dick, or she's a pretty standard nun that lives an upstanding religious life who has a moment of weakness after a lot of pressure and falls into corruption. Haylen is supposed to be the latter but with the other nun involved already having been coerced into sex at least once and the fact that Haylen herself does not really feel much like a nun or even a priestess, we're left with a character whose events feel perfunctory.
Personally I think the problem is that the role Haylen plays isn't the role of a nun it's the role of a mom which has reduced her role from upstanding religious woman with strong walls to generic older woman who put her own wants and needs aside for her kids. At this stage she's basically the stepmom whose stepson has a best friend who thinks she's hot which, honestly, lowers her personal stakes immensely.
Personally I think the problem is that the role Haylen plays isn't the role of a nun it's the role of a mom which has reduced her role from upstanding religious woman with strong walls to generic older woman who put her own wants and needs aside for her kids. At this stage she's basically the stepmom whose stepson has a best friend who thinks she's hot which, honestly, lowers her personal stakes immensely.
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To add to what some of you have been saying here:
I think 4 girls is a good number, though I believe if you have 4 girls it becomes inevitable that around 2 of them will have less priority, they will still be a "strong supporting cast", but they are not main characters. Main character, at least imo, are currently Rose and Cyanna. Esp. also because they are way more involved in the political machinations of the nation due to their positions.
This can have all kinds of interesting turns. Like, like somebody mentioned, Ulrod joining us as a result of being saved in order to help fight the Duke at the very end. Same goes maybe for some of the other characters. Which will maybe increase your chances and make the ending slightly different. The variation doesn't need to be super big, it can just be a line of dialogue or two about what happened to/in the Kingdom, showing a few scenes of the kingdom and it's citizens that are appropriate for the scenario.
I do not doubt for example that the duke is the endgame or close to it. If his outcome if deciding on the "final ending" of the game, the outcomes could be something like:
1. (Mostly) Happy Ending: Duke defeated, Rose Queen, you by her side. You got cucked but you prevailed
2. (Less) Happy Ending: Duke demoted, still holds power, Rose queen, you by her side. She has an affair with him in secret.
3. Bad-ish ending: Duke wins, has Rose, reigns the Kingdom, but you managed to escape and get a resistance going, you migth have been able to hook up with some other girl (optional)
4. Bad Archvillain ending: Duke gets all the girls (or Rose + whoever you did not save the villain of), reigns the kingdom, you had to flee and take refuge in some other country (you had the chance to hook up with another girl through some optional side-stuff)
In addition to the main endings there could be a few variations, depending on who you saved. Saved Ulrod? He helped you against the duke, and maybe he is still with Cyanna (depending on your choices regarding Cyanna). He could also die valiantly in the resistance against the duke and who Cyanna ends up with depends on your ending (1-4).
Same/similar things go for all the other girls.
Now let me note this looks like a LOT. What Im listing here are just possibilities. I'm not saying "less than this and I will be disappointed". Not at all. I do expect some of this to not be implemented in the end. I'm just saying these are all interesting and creative ways that you can TAKE the story and make a few neat variations depending on your choices, without taking away the main element of a NTR game which is that most of the game is basically cucking of the MC.
But yea, I see a lot of possibilities in this to create SOME variation in the storylines without changing the MAIN premise of the game itself.
I think 4 girls is a good number, though I believe if you have 4 girls it becomes inevitable that around 2 of them will have less priority, they will still be a "strong supporting cast", but they are not main characters. Main character, at least imo, are currently Rose and Cyanna. Esp. also because they are way more involved in the political machinations of the nation due to their positions.
I partially agree with you. Actually, this is where I see a chance for N_taii to make the game a bit more complex. We know that ultimately - as a NTR game in the fashion of NTRPG, probably one of the few sequels in spirit that the game has (that does however also add new/different things to the formula) - there will be little choice for us regarding the NTR content. At best we can get a "bittersweet" or "revenge" ending if we make good choices and whatnot. BUT. I see a unique opportunity here to implement key choices in the story that do not influence our MC being cucked but rather how the game ends and with whom the characters end up. One such an ending could be the "Duke Overlord/Archvillain" ending where he indeed consolidates power and kills all his rivals one by one (including Ulrod) and gets all the girls in his claws. Another could be your choices helping to prevent this plot from happening and saving the other "villains" of the story and the girls ending up with them. Like for example in each instance there are things you can do so the plot to kill person X (i.e. the shopkeep, Jazon or Ulrod) is not killed. That will net you a small amount of scenes as end-content for these "paths" between the respective girl and the villain (i.e. Jazon and Hylen) as a "mini-ending" for their arc.
This can have all kinds of interesting turns. Like, like somebody mentioned, Ulrod joining us as a result of being saved in order to help fight the Duke at the very end. Same goes maybe for some of the other characters. Which will maybe increase your chances and make the ending slightly different. The variation doesn't need to be super big, it can just be a line of dialogue or two about what happened to/in the Kingdom, showing a few scenes of the kingdom and it's citizens that are appropriate for the scenario.
I do not doubt for example that the duke is the endgame or close to it. If his outcome if deciding on the "final ending" of the game, the outcomes could be something like:
1. (Mostly) Happy Ending: Duke defeated, Rose Queen, you by her side. You got cucked but you prevailed
2. (Less) Happy Ending: Duke demoted, still holds power, Rose queen, you by her side. She has an affair with him in secret.
3. Bad-ish ending: Duke wins, has Rose, reigns the Kingdom, but you managed to escape and get a resistance going, you migth have been able to hook up with some other girl (optional)
4. Bad Archvillain ending: Duke gets all the girls (or Rose + whoever you did not save the villain of), reigns the kingdom, you had to flee and take refuge in some other country (you had the chance to hook up with another girl through some optional side-stuff)
In addition to the main endings there could be a few variations, depending on who you saved. Saved Ulrod? He helped you against the duke, and maybe he is still with Cyanna (depending on your choices regarding Cyanna). He could also die valiantly in the resistance against the duke and who Cyanna ends up with depends on your ending (1-4).
Same/similar things go for all the other girls.
Now let me note this looks like a LOT. What Im listing here are just possibilities. I'm not saying "less than this and I will be disappointed". Not at all. I do expect some of this to not be implemented in the end. I'm just saying these are all interesting and creative ways that you can TAKE the story and make a few neat variations depending on your choices, without taking away the main element of a NTR game which is that most of the game is basically cucking of the MC.
But yea, I see a lot of possibilities in this to create SOME variation in the storylines without changing the MAIN premise of the game itself.