Ren'Py Hermione Trainer [v0.2] [EdgeAI]

[toccata]

Short answer:

your answer is a good way to compare the situation of these images :
The AI image is qualitatively far superior to the two Abakur images.
This AI picture represents a good development of the Abakur style.

Longer answer:

You're not making a fair comparison. Firstly the AI image is a closeup of the face while the first 2 images are a chibi and bust shot respectively, both at a much lower resolution.

From your answer I conclude that you don't know where these two Abakur images come from. Because: The resolution of the underlying images is the same. It is as Karnewarrior correctly noted.



Now compare the two images in terms of their quality :
and you will see that the AI image is far superior to the Abakur image !



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I won't go into the story itself here. I can do that later.
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[mattrixatp]

This reminds me of a little joke of how scientists were able to create life out of dirty and went to show God. They told him they don't need a God because they can make life out of dirty. Then God asked "Where did you get the dirt from?"... pause... "When you create dirt out of nothing, then come back to me"

So let me ask you this - would there be "far superior AI art" without the original Abakur art? It's newer, it's different. But better? That's subjective.

 

[EmDotRand]

SNIP!

If the silver mod has a higher resolution than the original game and you had access to it, why didn't you do this in the beginning? You also haven't explained how the AI version is superior. Repeating a claim is not the same as explaining it.

 

[toccata]

So let me ask you this - would there be "far superior AI art" without the original Abakur art? It's newer, it's different.
But better? That's subjective.

Yes, is better.
i see with my own eyes : Is much better !.
And you ? with your own eyes : You this not see ?

 

[toccata]

You also haven't explained how the AI version is superior.

i have.

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[lnomsim]

i have.

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You are pushing the analysis way too far here.
The AI does what it's told to do. If you ask it to generate expression of disgust and discomfort, it will do it.

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By the way, I used the same model and LORA as the dev, and as you can see, the quality and level of detail is not the same.

(EdgeAI what other LORA or tweaks do you use? Your renders are softer. I suppose you also use disney princess or something like that?)

As for Akabur's game, yes, it is misogynistic, that's the whole point of the game, manipulation and rape. But it has nothing to do with human VS AI.

 

[nada_nix]

I'd love to get the facepalm emote back plez.

 

[Karnewarrior]

I'm not saying the AI art is superior. It's not. Art has no superiority, it's subjective.
Subjectively, I prefer the AI. But it's perfectly valid to prefer Akabur's. It's silly to act like one has more value than the other because it happens to match your personal preference. The only non-subjective value a work of art can have is how often it's subjectively liked by a large segment of the population. Anyone with a niche kink will tell you exactly how much that particular metric matters too; sometimes, great things come in niche packages.


As far as I'm concerned, the AI art here is just to supplement the dev's art skills and make development easier. I'm no more offended by him using AI to create the initial sketch than I would be to find ChatGPT had been used to make the initial code skeleton for the game, or hunt for syntactic bugs. Both of those being things ChatGPT is extremely useful for.

 

[toccata]

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By the way, I used the same model and LORA as the dev, and as you can see,
the quality and level of detail is not the same.

yes. I see.
Very interesting ! . i compare ...



If the task is to give a girl's face a mouse-like appearance that involves more than just the ears, then your version is much better. But, this is a difficult task. In this example, the nose and mouth resemble a lion more than a mouse.

But this is - as I said - a difficult task. Therefore, many developers avoid this and don't even try.
Like ALORTH with his Mitty: The mouse-likeness is limited to the ears.

But if the criteria are: what is more lovely, more in love, more loved is better, then the soft image is better.
And since I love love, I love what is loved more ...

(@EdgeAI what other LORA or tweaks do you use? Your renders are softer. I suppose you also use disney princess or something like that?)

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a LoRa CEVITAI-Module with the same soft face like EdgeAI her Hermione:


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[mattrixatp]

Yes, is better.
i see with my own eyes : Is much better !.
And you ? with your own eyes : You this not see ?

First off - what? It's hard to understand what you've written. Hint: write it in your own language and let google translate fix it.
Secondly - YOU liking it more, does not make it objectively better. That's your subjective opinion.
Thirdly - you didn't answer the more important question - would the ai enhancement even exist without the original?

 

[EdgeAI]

You are pushing the analysis way too far here.
The AI does what it's told to do. If you ask it to generate expression of disgust and discomfort, it will do it.

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By the way, I used the same model and LORA as the dev, and as you can see, the quality and level of detail is not the same.

(EdgeAI what other LORA or tweaks do you use? Your renders are softer. I suppose you also use disney princess or something like that?)

As for Akabur's game, yes, it is misogynistic, that's the whole point of the game, manipulation and rape. But it has nothing to do with human VS AI.

For the ai I tone down the strength of the Akabur LORA. I also use AutismMix instead of PonyDiffusion

 

[Volchonok]

You are pushing the analysis way too far here.
The AI does what it's told to do. If you ask it to generate expression of disgust and discomfort, it will do it.

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By the way, I used the same model and LORA as the dev, and as you can see, the quality and level of detail is not the same.

(EdgeAI what other LORA or tweaks do you use? Your renders are softer. I suppose you also use disney princess or something like that?)

As for Akabur's game, yes, it is misogynistic, that's the whole point of the game, manipulation and rape. But it has nothing to do with human VS AI.

You can try different samplers. Euler A makes the image smoother. However, karras makes it sharp and detailed.

 

[lnomsim]

For the ai I tone down the strength of the Akabur LORA. I also use AutismMix instead of PonyDiffusion

Yeah, I use Autism too, I'll try toning down the LORA then.

 

[toccata]

First off - what? It's hard to understand what you've written.

i repeat : -
Do you understand the question?

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Thirdly - - you didn't answer the more important question - would the ai enhancement even exist without the original?

In my experience, that's not important at all. What I eat has to taste good!

or

Tell me: What is better to eat? the original or the processed version?

(Don't eat the flowers ! It's poisonous!)

 

[mattrixatp]

Tell me: What is better to eat? the original or the processed version?

Akabur is a finished product so in your comparison it would be the fries. AI art would be fries with ketchup. Not everyone likes ketchup. Get over it. Most people prefer art that had work put into and not just taken/stolen and put into an AI filter.

 

[toccata]

Akabur is a finished product ...

No.
It is an intermediate product of a long, ongoing series...
Joanne Rowling -> Harry Potter -> Warner Bros-> Emma Watson ->
and then ... -> Abakur -> Hermione granger ->. WT -> WTS -> HT ... ...
with very different quality, morality and toxicity.

Most people prefer art that had work put into

1.) : I don't belong to "most people" and don't want to belong to them.
. ... . I think for myself.
2.) : "Art" and "hard work" are not a seal of approval for good,
.. . . . beautiful, healthy, not evil and not harmful.

... not just taken/stolen and put into an AI filter.

? ? ? Abakur and SSG authors, etc. pay copyright license to
. . . . . Joanne Rowling, Warner Bros, Emma Watson etc. ? ? ?

 

[mattrixatp]

No.
It is an intermediate product of a long, ongoing series...
Joanne Rowling -> Harry Potter -> Warner Bros-> Emma Watson ->
and then ... -> Abakur -> Hermione granger ->. WT -> WTS -> HT ... ...
with very different quality, morality and toxicity.


1.) : I don't belong to "most people" and don't want to belong to them.
. ... . I think for myself.
2.) : "Art" and "hard work" are not a seal of approval for good,
.. . . . beautiful, healthy, not evil and not harmful.


? ? ? Abakur and SSG authors, etc. pay copyright license to
. . . . . Joanne Rowling, Warner Bros, Emma Watson etc. ? ? ?

bro... calm THE FUCK DOWN with stretching an argument about a fucking opinion. It's your dumbass fucking opinion that AI looks better than old drawn art and you already admit you "don't belong to most people". Then do a fucking poll and let people vote. Opinions are like assholes - everyone has one and no one cares about yours or mine for that matter.

So chill the fuck out and let the mods delete this pointless conversation that spans the thread...

 

[toccata]

bro... calm THE FUCK DOWN

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Could you please explain in more detail what these words might mean?

It's your dumbass fucking opinion ...

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What is a "dumbass fucking opinion" ?

... that AI looks better than old drawn art ...

No. What you are saying is wrong.
Here, see for yourself:

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This Mitty, from ALORTH. This picture is very beautiful and lovely!
See also Bera the bear-girl im my Sigature. This also from ALORTH.
Both are created without AI
See also here and here.


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[Karnewarrior]

Jesus fuck bro, calm down.

Toccatta, I feel like you're not arguing as much as you are agreeing aggressively with everyone else.

In either case, it is best to take a step back and cool off.

Your posts are not easily legible in English and it is making it very difficult for anyone to tell exactly what you're starting fights about.

As a precaution I'm having GPT translate this into Swiss German. Perhaps it will prevent a misunderstanding.

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Jesus fuck, Bro, beruhig di.

Toccatta, i ha s Gfühl, dass du nöd würkli argumentiersch, sondern aggresiv am Aine mit de Andere am zuestimme bisch.

So oder so wärs bessr, wennd e Schritt zrugg machsch und dich abchüelsch.

Dini Beiträge si nöd so guet lesbar uf Englisch, und es macht’s schwierig, für öpper z verstah, um was du würkli streitsch.

Zur Sicheriheit ha i GPT das uf Schwiizerdütsch übersetze loh. Villech hilft das, Missverständnisse z verhinde.

 

[toccata]

Jesus fuck bro, calm down.
Toccatta, I feel like you're not arguing as much as you are agreeing aggressively with everyone else.
In either case, it is best to take a step back and cool off.
Your posts are not easily legible in English and it is making it very difficult for anyone to tell exactly what you're starting fights about.

Thank you for your efforts to understand me. Your explanations are so enlightening for me that I think I now know where the problem lies: In my opinion, the problem is not the language barrier, but my way of processing language, which only processes logically correct things word for word and processes illogical things with difficulty, incorrectly, or not at all.

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