I got this scene while randomly clicking in Cecille mini-game
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I got this scene while randomly clicking in Cecille mini-game
Hey,
I think I got stuck on Aith's( Innkeeper daughter) route. Cecille told me to get a liquid, i bought it.
Now what to do? Whenever I touch(Joiplay) on her, i don't get any response.
Ps: Okay, it got solved. The night scene of her struggling got triggered by just simply clicking on the day/night icon. I was doing Sera's night activities and because of that I was unable to progress on her
I think I got stuck on Aith's( Innkeeper daughter) route. Cecille told me to get a liquid, i bought it.
Now what to do? Whenever I touch(Joiplay) on her, i don't get any response.
Ps: Okay, it got solved. The night scene of her struggling got triggered by just simply clicking on the day/night icon. I was doing Sera's night activities and because of that I was unable to progress on her
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Yeah I figured that out, Which I don't mind really since I have saves for the scenes I would like to go back and see, And replay it again for the story if I'm free haha
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But seriously...
Yvet vs. Odette lewd jelly mom vs daughter competition shenanigans fucking when? They both and seriously need to teach each other a few lessons. AAAYYIIHHHHHHHHHHAAA~~
Yvet vs. Odette lewd jelly mom vs daughter competition shenanigans fucking when? They both and seriously need to teach each other a few lessons. AAAYYIIHHHHHHHHHHAAA~~
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Played some more, and I've finally reached the part where Elena appears (a bunch of scenes into this so far...). And while the writing is still great, and I think I will like where this is going, the pacing is not. In fact, the whole game interface falls now apart and is reduced to a pure VN where I never get to walk around and do some stuff at all. It's just one scene after the other. I'm afraid, this is not good, and this will not do.
And once again (continuing my previous post...) a proper RPGM world would at least greatly alleviate the problem. There's the inn, behind is Mars's temporary cuck-shed. Now you're sleeping there, and you're restricted from accessing the inn, but you're still given at least one time-slot per day to walk around and go fuck some bitches (so there is something else between all those Elena scenes). The remaining hero party has to clear five floors, but that doesn't mean it will take them just five days. If the player takes too long, you could intersperse some quick and funny scenes, how the party struggled (again) this day and had to retreat. Pacing should be in the hands of the player (with no real time limit).
Now, I'm not done with Elena scenes, but here's what I imagine should happen, once she agrees to come into your shed (which happens too fast; is something missing here?): Elena is something of a control freak, at least about her son, right? Right. So let's take away her control (also she's all about pleasuring others, right? take it away. she doesn't get to dish out pleasure, not just yet, she's on the receiving end for now...): it's SHIBARI time! Of course! IMHO this would also be an ideal "ice breaker" for her: it doesn't seem too sexual (for a sexually inexperienced retard like her anyways), there's no kissing, no penetration, no groping (for starters), no sex, heck, not even nudity (for starters...).
And once bound and helpless in your shed, Mars just leaves and goes to town (free play) to fuck some of his bitches, leaving poor Elena behind, abandonned, unable to do anything but feel a tight rope in her crotch and weights hanging from her nipples and what not. hahaha. It's also something you can easily put into the form of the already established training session format, have Helelle give you some more bondage toys, with plenty fun options to go further and further, maybe places even.
But my point is not so much the shibari scenario, but to mix things up a little bit, and not completely destroy the game/world UI and also the pacing (and control thereof).
Having a small RPGM world filled with plenty of side-chars would really solve many problems, all at once.
Now... when the fuck do I finally get to lewd the lewd maid...
...AAHHHHHH, this is torture!!!
And once again (continuing my previous post...) a proper RPGM world would at least greatly alleviate the problem. There's the inn, behind is Mars's temporary cuck-shed. Now you're sleeping there, and you're restricted from accessing the inn, but you're still given at least one time-slot per day to walk around and go fuck some bitches (so there is something else between all those Elena scenes). The remaining hero party has to clear five floors, but that doesn't mean it will take them just five days. If the player takes too long, you could intersperse some quick and funny scenes, how the party struggled (again) this day and had to retreat. Pacing should be in the hands of the player (with no real time limit).
Now, I'm not done with Elena scenes, but here's what I imagine should happen, once she agrees to come into your shed (which happens too fast; is something missing here?): Elena is something of a control freak, at least about her son, right? Right. So let's take away her control (also she's all about pleasuring others, right? take it away. she doesn't get to dish out pleasure, not just yet, she's on the receiving end for now...): it's SHIBARI time! Of course! IMHO this would also be an ideal "ice breaker" for her: it doesn't seem too sexual (for a sexually inexperienced retard like her anyways), there's no kissing, no penetration, no groping (for starters), no sex, heck, not even nudity (for starters...).
And once bound and helpless in your shed, Mars just leaves and goes to town (free play) to fuck some of his bitches, leaving poor Elena behind, abandonned, unable to do anything but feel a tight rope in her crotch and weights hanging from her nipples and what not. hahaha. It's also something you can easily put into the form of the already established training session format, have Helelle give you some more bondage toys, with plenty fun options to go further and further, maybe places even.
But my point is not so much the shibari scenario, but to mix things up a little bit, and not completely destroy the game/world UI and also the pacing (and control thereof).
Having a small RPGM world filled with plenty of side-chars would really solve many problems, all at once.
Now... when the fuck do I finally get to lewd the lewd maid...
...AAHHHHHH, this is torture!!!
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Aren't we a bit early to judge? At least I haven't seen much of Odette yet, and am eager to see what she's got. Besides, this isn't about you (or Mars) think(s) about which one of the two is the better girl. This is about Yvet and Odette duking it out between themselves and fighting for your (Mars's) attention (and getting the lewdest out of each other, so no matter which one you like better, you still should wanna see them in lewd competition, you're not gay, son, are you?).what competition when yvet is clearly superior
And later, you still may (well, maybe) kick one or the other from the edge of your bed, if you feel like it (keeping them both as fucktoys: bad ending for both. good ending only for the sluttier slut that gets to join you, bad ending for the other, certainly for the mom if she loses to her daughter and has to stay with her smelly husband. There.).
Btw. was there ever a competition for best "before and after Hero Party Must Fall" meme? Did I miss it?
There should be at least one for every (side-)character.
Anyways, what follows are the continued ramblings and my take on the Elena act so far, another wall of text, spoilers and no hard feelings ahead.
Critique of Elena act (continued) and mini-game suggestion
Et voilà, bondage! Yet, I think you could make more out of this, with a clear theme and progression from:
- (simple/non-nude) bondage, abandonned bondage, exposed/nude bondage, abondonned and nude, ... to
- bondage with toys such as nipple clamps, weights, wax play and what not, to
- finally, light body modification such as nipple piercings, tats and that kind of thing.
They have a lot to talk, which suits perfectly for some bondage/light bdsm sessions. And secondly, you can easily make a fun customization mini-game out of this: let the user decide which forms of additional toys (clamps, wieghts, whip, ...) to use (they're all equally effective, this is all about catering to the players tastes a bit), and what kind of body modification to apply (plenty of people cant stand tats at all, also offer some options and different places a user may want to place it, others may not like piercings very much, why not let the player customize her to his taste; but a minimum amount of body modification will be necessary to successfully beat this mini-game... and I believe, with respect to art, you can manage this with a bunch of extra overlays, so hopefully it shouldn't be too much extra work). Customization is always fun, players love it, especially the lewd kind of customization. It's another simple mind-trick too: I DID THIS, GAHAHAHAHA.
I mean, imagine Mars going "you're much more beautiful now" while the player sitting in front of the computer is just shaking his head? Not so good, since it's a disconnect, and then players start to self-insert as Erin instead. Was that your goal all along? How devilish.
Anyways, some more ideas for bondage/body modification:
- A gag-ring to keep her mouth open and drooling all over the place, but unable to talk, or a regular gag-ball to be gagged (both offering themselves to be written into a scene for a "oh will you shut up already (mummy)" moment, I believe there are a few of those).
- Optional skin hooks (or just bondage up in the air) to learn how to let go (of her son) and get a feeling for freedom (just hanging there, later maybe with some toys stuffed to get pleasure from it too...). Well, personally no big fan of skin hooks (and other extreme body modification and shit, eww). How about a classic nose hook, so Elena gets plenty of fresh air?
- Arm-binder, leg/knee binder, i.e. mobile bondage, and then you make her clean up your dirty cuck-shed, cook something for you, and such stuff (there was talk about her being your lewd maid now afterall!). Right, right. Mobile bondage play has to fit in somewhere here too! Emphasis the burden of being a mother (of Erin), then free her.
- Just a collar would be nice, no? And a leash?
- Maybe you can stray into bimbofication territory, give her big botox mommy filler lips. Slutty make-up. A new dress? Mars is making her his, right?
- A tongue piercing (to fix her lisp, or make it worse/pronounce it, hahahaha).
- Oh, here's another idea: so Elena wants to be Mars's mommy so bad, right? Well, how about Mars gives her a pair of big, chunky demon horn implants (yeah, that's a thing btw. currently image searching body modifications a bit, looking for ideas, baaarf.. gross, don't do that at home, kids), so she can be his demon mommy (and no longer Erin's human mommy, *ding* *ding*). HOW ABOUT THAT! Wouldn't that be a lovely coronation, high and end point of this arc? Fake, symbolic demon horns, and an ass-plug demon tail. FUCKING DO IT. (no need for this to be permanent, but just having it for this arc and end it with it would totally rock, from what I can tell..)
...and there's probably much more. I'm not really an expert here.
Btw. it's been day 11 (or what not) training Erina and having the other jerks being useless in the dungeon all day long. And only one (1) Erin card has been teared. Something does not add up here. So a minimal amount of clean up/rewriting is probably due here anyways.
Oh, the tattoo has a meaning. Well, a bit of dialogue branching isn't a problem, should you make a customization mini-game out of this (I think you really should and it would be totally worth it, hehe).
Day 13. Still just that one Erin card teared. And there's the collar. Cute.
But quite frankly, the writing of this act might need a clean-up. Might be just me, but it's a bit all over the place, a bit confusing, and just not as strong as the previous Cecille or Sera arcs. That whole making her his own (property) bit... it's.. eh.. I just don't really buy it, and Erina's reactions are not very convincing, or just odd. Something is off (if you ask me). I also didn't buy the threatening her with hurting Erin bit. Sure, a mother wants to protect her son and all, but uhhh. IMHO not so good. I believe a (thematically) more focused binding->freeing->becoming demon mommy arc could work better (and wouldn't require Erina to become so agreeable so fast). Maybe not. I don't know. But having Erina repeating lewd lines Mars told her to say, while she thinks in her head that "it's not real" and lewdly does it, only to being nicely lewded and she likes it... it just does not work (for me). She should be bound. And you pleasure her until she likes it. That's the binding and freeing part. Then comes the transformation part. And that concludes the act.Erina feels guilty about her son: you really need to put on some weights on her lovely tits that didn't give poor Erin enough milk, so you then can remove that weight from her. Just making her cum from her nipples isn't poetic enough.
The Erin/Cecille parts are golden, bwahaha.
hmmm, that mommy talk kind of annoys me. Can't you make her shut up about it by making it clear that it would be incredibly naughty if a son would do *this* to his mummy? So she gets disgusted by herself saying it, only to become demon mommy and love it again. Something along those lines. Well, maybe not. But that mother vs. master thing just does not really work (yet). In fact, is that master thing necessary here? The goal of this arc is to make Erin's mom, Erina, the demon mother of Mars. "Master" just really doesn't fly here, if you ask me. She will be a lewd demon mommy doing the naughty with his demon son. That's way more like it. We already have Sera and Cecille for those kinds of bdsm/power dynamics, no? And a son simply isn't "master" of his mom. Just doesn't compute in my head.
...upon being ask to tell Mars to drink her mommy Milk. No! Not yet. Argh, this is so confusing. She isn't demon mommy yet, and demon mommy would let her demon son drink her milk and suck her dry, lewdly. Erin's human mommy, which she still is by this point, is disgusted by sexual acts with Mars and indecent/lewd behaviour between mommy and son. See what I mean when I say this is all a bit over the place? Thematically?
WOMAN ARE YOU STUPID? See, it just renders Erina retarded, and I don't like my Erina retarded. She should not be. I don't buy it.
DUH. WOMAN!! Anyways, I rest my case.
Why are we counting days now anyways? If anything, there should have been a proper ACT II title screen before the Elena arc, and a lewd Intermezzo title screen with the goddess Intermezzo right before. The structure is there, but you dont really sell it. That stuff is important too!
Day 14. One Erin card teared, still. Fuck yeah, it's a Cecille/Lavinia scene.
Day 15. Back in the shed. 1 Erin card teared. A magical tongue seal to make her talk less? Huhuu. I'd prefer a classic bondage gag or something, really.
Oh, it's another episode of Mars not liking the word "mother". Yeah, yeah, sad backstory, but it doesn't help the scene/arc, erotically speaking. The Mars I know would have made Erina stop using that word a long time ago, if it bothers him so much. But hey, let's see where this mother complex goes...Ehhh, I'd really much prefer it if this would be all about making Erina Mars his naughty (symbolic) demon mommy, and no longer Erin's. Obviously this would also entail her renouncing the brat and acknowledge Mars as the Hero, but as a son alltogther would be much stronger. Even if Erin is no longer the hero, she's still his mommy and thus protecting him. That's no good. DEMON MOMMY TRANSFORMATION, OR RIOT! And if you pull it just right, you can also deal with Mars his mommy complex in this fashion. Just a tad of rewriting...
Yup, now her lisp is worse. And salvia all over the place (no magic required, btw.). Please, give me an ordinary gag-ring. I think thats much lewder and fits much better, thematically. Or even better; tie it to the customization mini-game and let the player decide what gag to use.
Wait, why does she *want* an orgasm from her tongue now? Sure, it feels good, there's a magical seal there now, but the Erina I know still wouldn't give in and *want* an orgasm from that. I just don't get it, or her, Erina. Her behaviour is all over the place. Maybe that was the intention, but I don't buy it. Mars should simply pleasure her, with force, until she fucking likes it. Wouldn't that work much better? I'm also not a big fan of all those Mars/dead husband comparisons and making Erina say mean things about the dude, who is no longer here and never was. For one we have this kind of thing already with Cecille and Erin, where it works great, because Erin is still around.
Not allowing Erina to kiss or hug her son? Lame. Turn her into "demon" mommy, and she no longer will want to do that anyways. But just telling her to stop it? Nah, that doesn't work.
Oh, for fucks sake. WOMAN!! (also I've just noticed that I didn't rest my case afterall. My bad).
...man, Mars just came in her mouth, and it wasn't very erotic (the art is great though). Dumb magical tongue seal. Erina should be slowly force-feed your cum, by force, until she likes it, while being bound and gagged. She wasn't even bound or anything, just a tongue seal, and she lets you cum in her mouth like that? I don't buy it. That's not my Erina.
Magical spell so she wont be able to sleep? Uhhhuuu. Why not some kind of bondage over night with toys stuck in her, that would also not let her sleep, and be so much lewder, thematically speaking. Magic is a cheap way out, and not very erotic (Cecille electro shocking Sera, magically, that was lewd!). And extreme sleepiness? No magic needed if you don't let her sleep, duh.
Yeah. Exactly. Implied/passive magic is not much. And certainly not lewd. Just tie her, lewdly, over night already. Much better.
BOOOOHHH. See? I just don't buy that threatening her indirectly with Erin spiel. The main problem here is that this *enforces* her motherly instincts, it counts on them. The exact fucking opposite of what this all is, or should be about. And it's just half-assed blackmail. We don't want her to protect her human son. And why is this threat needed anyways? Just bind her up real good, put some toys in her and leave. There is no threat needed.
P.S. If she doesn't survive, she's dead and punishing Erin has no effect any longer.
What? In case she doesn't survive the night? How is that supposed to work? The fuck happened to your excellent writing skills? You've been drinking a lot, lately?
But having to keep a load of cum in her mouth over night, not being allowed to swallow, that was lewd. There just needs to be another carrot on the stick, such as simply threatening her to keep her bound for another day (with a fresh load) and the day after and so on if necessary. No need for blackmail. She's bound (ghahahaha)! The theme is being bound (and freed) and transformed in the process, not fucking blackmail.
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see? Now Mars, my personal hero, is going retarded as well. Man up and make her your lewd twisted demon mother already. For fucks sake!
Day 16. Back to Cecille, Lavinia and Erin. This is gonna be good, I can tell.
Yeah, I'm basically writing as I play, or rather click through the game that suddenly became a pure VN (once again: not good. I need to see to my town side-bitches too every once in a while, you know?). I probably should stop now. haha.
EDIT: here's another one: (abandonnment play) bind her up, exposed in your shed, let the door open and leave, but let Vi stay guard, which of course you don't tell her. Thematically this symbolizes the burden or weight of being a mother and a saint to all the people and the whole world (and cuck Erin). And Mars is going to take of that burden of her, maybe, at some point, after being a mother and a saint, for fucking free, for anyone that may or may not come by the cuck-shed (in the ghetto. lalala..) by making her his exclusive demon mommy, who is 100% loyal and supporting his demon kid and only him and nothing but, no matter what and the lewder the better, Demons are naughty. Sound good?
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Bruh I'm new to this thread and the first thing i see is a whole ass thesis
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You're supposed to start reading on page 1, dummy. But hey, you're welcome.
Here is its (the thesis's) conclusion (I've slept over it, and now it's settled, gahaha):
Demon mommy transformation
Elena needs to be indeed transformed into a demon mommy. It solves *all* the problems of the arc, and, if you've noticed, it poetically mirrors and rhymes with the magical removal (and transformation) of Lavinias demon horns (which is always a sign of the highest levels of writings, poetically speaking, gahaha).
Here's the tl;dr:
- Bound -> freed -> transformed throughout the whole Elena arc, as outlined above
- Her (body) transformation peaks with giving her demon horns, because she wants to be Mars's mommy so bad, she can have it. And with that, all is set up to conclude the arc and bring it to its fruition.
- Demon mommy faces Erin, her human son, who is shell-shocked by his demon mommy (there may be a magical TV ball scene first where he doesn't believe his mom went demon before they're forced to meet in person). He certainly would never listen to what she has to say now, kiss her ever again in this form, and neither would he accept the kiss of a demon mommy. She's no longer his mom. He wants her to go away and never return, die even, for all he cares, what the hell is even going on..
- Elena just lost her human son and is devastated (and no longer a mommy at all, and not even a saint, reduced to nothing).
- Obviously Mars is there to pamper her (you always do that after rough bondage sessions, right?) and most importantly: to accept her many kisses and return them. In short: she will now accept Mars as her demon son, reborn as a new demon mommy, never to kiss, nor support her now dead to her human son Erin ever again. The end.
Erin is free from her mother. Elena is free from being a saint and Erins mom. Mars wasn't unprepared and jelly of Erins mom (like what the hell) and instead simply took Elena and made her his lewd demon mom, because he wanted to (you can still sob and wade in his sad background story, no problem, he just now solves it in a manly and straightforward Mars way).
And if you wanna top this: make Erin now sexually interested in demon Erina in a confused way (he doesn't regard her as his mom any longer so he can lewd her now), which makes Erina disgusted about Erin since she wants to see him as a son, but is now unable to, since he wants to lewd her so much and cums all over the place just looking at his former human mommy now in lewd demon form. How about that to really and mutually burn the bridge between them?
And I'm sure, nitrolith would come up with a super lewd writing for a Lavinia vs. horned Erin's mom scene (to get her used to her new demon horns, erotically speaking. sounds super lewd, no?). And in this case, I'd be totally fine with magical horns (customized/picked by the player, just make them all big and chunky enough, ghahaha), similar to how Lavinia's horns aren't removed, or only temporarily with magic. This would also then enable to later have the player turn the horns on and off as he pleases and likes them on Elena.
Oh, and maybe the forced demon cum-feeding her might have something to do with her new demon horns, maybe not.
So, but that's it for now, and I'll continue seeing how the Elena arc currently plays out, maybe I am and was in the wrong all along... but still, for now I'm fairly confident that this arc isn't as good as it should be and needs to be rewritten and cleaned up a bit.
Infinitely many lewdable side-characters
And now for something completely different, here's a quick and fun idea to further promote a RPGM world/interface: There's the inn, right? Let's also have an unfrequented bar inside. Bar keeper (with nothing much to say or do). Then every single day, there is a new girl (random hair color chibi) sitting at the bar, occupying a room during the night. Give her a randomly generated girl name, a new one each day. And then Mars can do two things:
- In the evening, Mars may approach the chibi girl at the bar. Chibi girl has a heart indicator. NO talk at all, just make the two move up to her room in the inn and cue to Mars doing her in his favorite slam a random slut bitch real quick position, and her going "Mars!!" (with proper random name and all).
- If it's already night, have the heart indicator on her door. And then Mars may approach the door, if activated he simply gets nude and comfortable (outside still) and then enters her room. Short shout and shock from the girl. Mars going: "I'm sorry, wrong room..." and cue to Mars doing her as above, in his favorite slam the random pump and dump bitch real quick and real rough position.
What a man-whore.
Anyways, now you can claim that your game has (virtually) infinitely many lewdable side-characters! And just how cool is that?! Of course just as a joke to skip the time-slot in a funny way. A simple still shot from behind (i.e. the girl not very visible, certainly not her face) or short animation (with the girl from behind, and random hair color matching the chibi hair color) would already do the trick.
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Can someone let me know if I keep training Ceil after the whole hand-holding scene? I'm now getting a repeated scene of Mars playing with her after training, but nothing else happens. I am confused if I missed something or if my game is broken.
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The writing this is very good but there was one thing I had a big issue with and how it never feels like the MC is challenged, the game keeps making a point of him being under threat but you never feel.
This was a particularly sore point with Elena's arc, the heroes mother, because the entire set-up is the elaborate situation of her being locked away and sexually abused until she breaks, but it was entirely Elena at the MC's mercy, she had to do whatever he wanted, that is a situation where there should have been some risk on his end, where the deal involved some turn about, where he was at risk of succumbing to her mental manipulation, not have it so one sided.
This was a particularly sore point with Elena's arc, the heroes mother, because the entire set-up is the elaborate situation of her being locked away and sexually abused until she breaks, but it was entirely Elena at the MC's mercy, she had to do whatever he wanted, that is a situation where there should have been some risk on his end, where the deal involved some turn about, where he was at risk of succumbing to her mental manipulation, not have it so one sided.
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I think this is a result of the dev trying to move the story along. Since the story would only continue if Mars is winning, the only story path we are getting is the "happy path". This comes at the cost of the game elements being ignored like decisions and stats like affection. Hopefully when the main story is done, he will go back flesh out the paths so we get more interactive elements. Like he did with adding the NPCs.
There was a early idea I still hoping for. The dungeon was suppose to be more important to the story. In the beginning Mars was suppose to able to manipulate the dungeon's strength. He had to carefully balance the difficulty to make the Hero Party stay. If too hard they get suspicious and Mars gets kicked out. Too easy and the party will conquer the dungeon and leave. Also after Mars tame Cecille and Sera, he will to able to control their actions in dungeon. Imagine the girls not helping Erin and fool around with Mars in the dungeon!
Hope for the future!
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Only person I've seen that wants their time wasted by adding needless traversal.
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I'm of the honest opinion that all work on some dungeon is a waste of time, and in fact, Hero Party Must Fall shouldn't have an actual dungeon the player ever enters to do some shitty RPGM fighting for a bunch of floors with random monsters and none of it matters at all. There shouldn't be a single fight, this game simply isn't about that kind of gameplay, and looking at the current state of mini-games I've encountered so far: none of them are functional or fun to play (yet; no offense). We can talk about the dungeon once the mini-games are good and fun and extra lewd. Way more important. And even more important is everything else.
Also, personally I think it's just funny to not ever see the dungeon from inside in person and not having a single fight, given the whole setup and scenario. It's perfect.
Sure, sounds like a lovely pay off, for some shitty gameplay. But you can just narrate such an event as post-dungeon VN, maybe one with some choices to pick. No shitty gameplay (and precious developer time) required at all.
But I perfectly understand your opinion and wanting that dungeon too. Maybe it's more about personal taste, and as such up to the dev, if he really wants to do that and thinks he can pull it off in an enjoyable way.
I doubt it. And what do you even mean with needless traversal? The traversal isn't needless, it's a perfectly functional and comfy interface. Again: every single thing (all houses, the inn, the whole little town, maybe even the woods) is supposed to be on a single, compact map/screen (+interior screens). That's not much of a traversal, and if you also have proper indicators as suggested (and which are established in the genere for are good reason), there is no waste of time at all: a short stroll around the town is a lovely experience, where you always may spot a new side-bitch to fuck (maybe another day, but you're already keeping an eye on her, observing her patterns, haha). It's immersive. And while going from place A to B with a clear goal in mind, there is that anticipation (mind tricks) that simply does not really emerge with that static point and click screens: because you're not in there, going with the flow, there is no pacing to your point and clicks. It's not satisfying at all.
There are many very good reasons why this RPGM chibi format has established itself and dominates at least the "indy h-market" other than that it's really easy to setup and use. And sure enough, way too many of those games do waste your time with needless traversal and wast but empty maps. But, there are also plenty of games with incredibly compact (and still super lovely) maps, that are just fun to stroll around in. To name a few: The imperial Gatekeeper has super compact maps, or The Nobleman Retort which got a super lovely town on one, maybe two screens, and a bunch of interiors. Incredibly compact. Something like that. And sure enough, none of these games would be better off with a static point and click interface (and once again, think about game pads and how that's supposed to work).
Btw. visiting Lavinia or Helelle in the void could be easily achieved with an inventory item spell in addition to some magical object in his room in the inn (or the cuck shed). I don't really like the current solution with those odd icons up there. Same for the dungeon, which should simply be a small cave (entrance) on that suggested, one, super small and compact, lovely little map. Shall I draw you a sketch of what I've in mind? Or how about we make a competition out of it: let random anons come up with a map only as base for a rewrite (which is a fun activity), then you let the patreon users vote for the best and most compact map with the lovliest features it may offer, giving the author a head-start in the supposed little rewrite of the game, for free, and maybe offer a comissioned side-char to be implemented according to the taste of the winner as price in return? Just an idea, and certainly not up to me. And maybe, just maybe, nitrolith has been tempted enough and is eager to make that chibi town all on his own (or simply doesn't want to, fair enough, even if that would be quite a shame).
EDIT: Oh, and remember the doing Yvet in the woods at her favorite place every single evening (for the time being) scene? And how it was mentioned how they were watched and observed each time but nobody dared to say a word? With a RPGM map, you can actually make some randoms come up close and make them watch and observe as Mars nails Yvet in the woods. A bunch of random spots around that place, a bunch of randoms picked that will show up, maybe even some chibi we may recognize (e.g. Vi might show up every now and then and start to masterbate furiously, hahaha), a small script to make it all work, and what you get is immersive RPGM magic, you simply can't pull off with static screens. I will say it again because people tend to overlook and forget: how powerful simple movement (player and NPC) is. It's just that versatile and effective. SHOW DONT TELL. And it's the little things.
I'm also sure the Erin watching Marion and Mars scenes would work twice as good with chibi rooms right next to each other in a chibi inn. And those scenes are already incredibly hot. Similarly having chibi Erin sleep alone in his room, while you train Cecille and/or Sera a room or two away.
Click and point is like listening to a narrator. It's very passive and non-sensual (no pacing). I don't really feel like playing Mars, I'm merely listening to (or clicking through) his story.
RPGM chibis, on the other hand, are oddly immersive, sensual (bound to its game physics, if ever so simple), and now I'm indeed playing Mars, I fucking steer him and his every movements. There is so much less disconnect. Mind tricks!
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For android apk please bro
Hero Party Must Fall [v0.4.9 Alpha] [Nitrolith]
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Note. This game does not bring anything favorable to run on Android. The developer included files with non-Latin names, the SDK version is 7.3.5, and the most compatible versions are from version 7.4.8... Anyway, I deleted the audio files with non-Latin names, 3 in total, I don't know if this will affect the game, try to ignore it if you can. Good luck.
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Hey just telling you that there is a higher chance of the dev getting back to you if you tell him all this on his discord.I'm of the honest opinion that all work on some dungeon is a waste of time, and in fact, Hero Party Must Fall shouldn't have an actual dungeon the player ever enters to do some shitty RPGM fighting for a bunch of floors with random monsters and none of it matters at all. There shouldn't be a single fight, this game simply isn't about that kind of gameplay, and looking at the current state of mini-games I've encountered so far: none of them are functional or fun to play (yet; no offense). We can talk about the dungeon once the mini-games are good and fun and extra lewd. Way more important. And even more important is everything else.
Also, personally I think it's just funny to not ever see the dungeon from inside in person and not having a single fight, given the whole setup and scenario. It's perfect.
Sure, sounds like a lovely pay off, for some shitty gameplay. But you can just narrate such an event as post-dungeon VN, maybe one with some choices to pick. No shitty gameplay (and precious developer time) required at all.
But I perfectly understand your opinion and wanting that dungeon too. Maybe it's more about personal taste, and as such up to the dev, if he really wants to do that and thinks he can pull it off in an enjoyable way.
I doubt it. And what do you even mean with needless traversal? The traversal isn't needless, it's a perfectly functional and comfy interface. Again: every single thing (all houses, the inn, the whole little town, maybe even the woods) is supposed to be on a single, compact map/screen (+interior screens). That's not much of a traversal, and if you also have proper indicators as suggested (and which are established in the genere for are good reason), there is no waste of time at all: a short stroll around the town is a lovely experience, where you always may spot a new side-bitch to fuck (maybe another day, but you're already keeping an eye on her, observing her patterns, haha). It's immersive. And while going from place A to B with a clear goal in mind, there is that anticipation (mind tricks) that simply does not really emerge with that static point and click screens: because you're not in there, going with the flow, there is no pacing to your point and clicks. It's not satisfying at all.
There are many very good reasons why this RPGM chibi format has established itself and dominates at least the "indy h-market" other than that it's really easy to setup and use. And sure enough, way too many of those games do waste your time with needless traversal and wast but empty maps. But, there are also plenty of games with incredibly compact (and still super lovely) maps, that are just fun to stroll around in. To name a few: The imperial Gatekeeper has super compact maps, or The Nobleman Retort which got a super lovely town on one, maybe two screens, and a bunch of interiors. Incredibly compact. Something like that. And sure enough, none of these games would be better off with a static point and click interface (and once again, think about game pads and how that's supposed to work).
Btw. visiting Lavinia or Helelle in the void could be easily achieved with an inventory item spell in addition to some magical object in his room in the inn (or the cuck shed). I don't really like the current solution with those odd icons up there. Same for the dungeon, which should simply be a small cave (entrance) on that suggested, one, super small and compact, lovely little map. Shall I draw you a sketch of what I've in mind? Or how about we make a competition out of it: let random anons come up with a map only as base for a rewrite (which is a fun activity), then you let the patreon users vote for the best and most compact map with the lovliest features it may offer, giving the author a head-start in the supposed little rewrite of the game, for free, and maybe offer a comissioned side-char to be implemented according to the taste of the winner as price in return? Just an idea, and certainly not up to me. And maybe, just maybe, nitrolith has been tempted enough and is eager to make that chibi town all on his own (or simply doesn't want to, fair enough, even if that would be quite a shame).
EDIT: Oh, and remember the doing Yvet in the woods at her favorite place every single evening (for the time being) scene? And how it was mentioned how they were watched and observed each time but nobody dared to say a word? With a RPGM map, you can actually make some randoms come up close and make them watch and observe as Mars nails Yvet in the woods. A bunch of random spots around that place, a bunch of randoms picked that will show up, maybe even some chibi we may recognize (e.g. Vi might show up every now and then and start to masterbate furiously, hahaha), a small script to make it all work, and what you get is immersive RPGM magic, you simply can't pull off with static screens. I will say it again because people tend to overlook and forget: how powerful simple movement (player and NPC) is. It's just that versatile and effective. SHOW DONT TELL. And it's the little things.
I'm also sure the Erin watching Marion and Mars scenes would work twice as good with chibi rooms right next to each other in a chibi inn. And those scenes are already incredibly hot. Similarly having chibi Erin sleep alone in his room, while you train Cecille and/or Sera a room or two away.
Click and point is like listening to a narrator. It's very passive and non-sensual (no pacing). I don't really feel like playing Mars, I'm merely listening to (or clicking through) his story.
RPGM chibis, on the other hand, are oddly immersive, sensual (bound to its game physics, if ever so simple), and now I'm indeed playing Mars, I fucking steer him and his every movements. There is so much less disconnect. Mind tricks!