Others Hilichurl's Ambition [v1.1.2] [Theofrad]

[T4t0rt]

My units list atm: i'm working my ass out to replenish/increase the variety, but with the rng definitely against me (someone explain me why developers NEVER consider that there are players that could have definitely a negative rng, no matter how much efforts they made for do a decent run) i cannot even consider on restart everything from 0.

 

[Theofrad]

Or can they just not target flying enemies, I'm trying them out against the final stage of Mondstadt

Apparently their tentacles aren't long enough to reach the sky (unlike samachurls').

 

[T4t0rt]

Otherwise, with this list of girls, which ones i should corrupt/make as units, and send against Lumine next time i'll face her? and remember this before to suggest unrealistic this:

A) so far, my rng was the most negative possible;

B) this is my third run: the others, no matter what efforts i made, where all done before turn 60 by Lumine, no matter the preparations. Said this, restart is not an option: this would means i'll be forced to abandon the game and wait for not sure heavy rebalances for the enemies;

Said those two things, remember: you're suggesting stuffs to a player with AN ENORMUS AMOUNT OF MISFORTUNE. So, give suggestion taking this in the account.

The game is still good, but now, for me at least, is really vexing.

 

[Theofrad]

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That what upset me: even having the trunk, and the point, and the resources, i wasn't able to build, and with that, to progress the development. That's upset me most: the fact i don't know how to progress, because there aren't in-game guidelines. This is the most negative point on this game. Oh, and Lumine once again wiped out almost all my units because of this goddamn purify that almost erase all the damage output. There's a way to nerf it, or units that shut down for good that ability?

I am trying playing in hell difficulty myself and I do realize that this version is too hard. I will reduce the threshold of breeding samachurls and lawachurls, nerf Lumine and reduce training npc comsumption, and delay the appearing stages for some elite enemies. As for breeding rng, I am in turn 57 and conquered about 50% of mondstadt (defeat both mondstade and liyue city twice) using only the grass/water/ice samachurls gained from training (training results are guarenteed). So that's not a problem to me. However I can consider add some guarantee mechanism for the first breeding

 

[T4t0rt]

I am trying playing in hell difficulty myself and I do realize that this version is too hard. I will reduce the threshold of breeding samachurls and lawachurls, nerf Lumine and reduce training npc comsumption, and delay the appearing stages for some elite enemies. As for breeding rng, I am in turn 57 and conquered about 50% of mondstadt (defeat both mondstade and liyue city twice) using only the grass/water/ice samachurls gained from training (training results are guarenteed). So that's not a problem to me. However I can consider add some guarantee mechanism for the first breeding

Thank you Q_____Q you're saving me. Q______Q

Sure, this doesn't mean i will not stop to try to progress, and see what i can still do in this version. Who knows, maybe(big maybe) i'll be able to do a decent run, in the end.

 

[trees]

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That what upset me: even having the trunk, and the point, and the resources, i wasn't able to build, and with that, to progress the development. That's upset me most: the fact i don't know how to progress, because there aren't in-game guidelines. This is the most negative point on this game. Oh, and Lumine once again wiped out almost all my units because of this goddamn purify that almost erase all the damage output. There's a way to nerf it, or units that shut down for good that ability?

I mean... from that screenshot, you're clearly missing a resource. A branch I think, which you can make at the altar in the captive zone. Also, what difficulty are you playing on? You're on week 122 and you have 100k food and a shitload of geo Mitas, but also way, way too many basic troops.

As to why you're having so much trouble getting higher end troops, you've just played working with the characters totally wrong. I'm not quite sure how you're 3 runs in and seemingly haven't noticed that abusing your characters causes them to produce lower-quality troops over time, and corrupting them also reduces the quality of troops they can possibly create from their original element. Between Roasira and Beidou, you should have no problems getting Mitas every breeding cycle by using Samachurls to breed and giving them some time to rest between breedings. In fact, you have the cryo smachurl breeding Yelan for some reason. Noelle with some extra Geo power in the altar should be able to breed mitas consistently off other mitas, so you should also be getting plenty from that.

For dealing with Lumine, she has two phases. Purify cancels all elements except Nycto, so for phase 1 you need to hit her 3 times with nycto element. For phase 2, since she doesn't have an aura left, you have to hit her with normal reactions again - samachurls as unit leaders are great for this. The best way to handle her is four samachurls escorted by either fire/ice/cryo basic troops, or large fire/ice/cryo slimes - ideally, the escorts should be different element from the leaders. Then have four ice/grass/geo mitachurls escorted by nycto troops or slimes. And then basically just form a concave as best you can, bait her into it, and then beat the shit out of her.

While you're waiting to build up, ice/grass/geo Mitas escorted by large elemental slimes or geo basic troops will almost always survive, if barely. But Lumine ramps up with time rather than Threat and by week 122 the game definitely expects you to be able to beat Lumine.

All of this was done on Normal.

 

[trees]

In other news, I found a way to cheat the Threat gauge - basically, strategically let the AI take back areas when you're done with them. By doing this, I got Mond all the way to lv 4, and also snaked my way around to Stormterror to grab him for enough anemo power to get in the last door. And then just used wave tactics to clear out most of the ads, which had the benefit of killing enough samachurls to drop my threat to basically zero by the time I actually went in to capture the city.

On that note, I was happy to see that you accounted for this by making sure that doing so spawned both Noelle and Eula... but I'm kinda disappointed you didn't have them both spawn together. Even if I was ultimately trying to cheese my way into skipping noelle entirely in the first place lol.

 

[dekeche]

Otherwise, with this list of girls, which ones i should corrupt/make as units, and send against Lumine next time i'll face her? and remember this before to suggest unrealistic this:

A) so far, my rng was the most negative possible;

B) this is my third run: the others, no matter what efforts i made, where all done before turn 60 by Lumine, no matter the preparations. Said this, restart is not an option: this would means i'll be forced to abandon the game and wait for not sure heavy rebalances for the enemies;

Said those two things, remember: you're suggesting stuffs to a player with AN ENORMUS AMOUNT OF MISFORTUNE. So, give suggestion taking this in the account.

The game is still good, but now, for me at least, is really vexing.

First, let's get this out of the way - USE TRAINING. Specifically, you'll want to acquire Dr. Livingstone from Windrise and Esther from Dragonspine Camp. You'll need Scholars to do the training, but you'll be able to get a Dendro Samachurl from Dr. Livingstone, and a Cryo Samachurl from Esther. You'll also need to have generated enough threat to trigger Rosaria's spawn. Who you'll need to generate the basic Cryo Hilichurls needed for Esther's training. With those two Samachruls + 6 Nycto Hilichurls, it's feasable to capture Lumine at week 40. Dendro blocks Lumine's approach, Cryo pillars everyone, and the Nycto break her down.

Now, some general tips - you should avoid breaking your heroines. With the exception of Fischl, you'll want to keep one heroine at max resistance per element for generating your elemental units. It does take more micro-management, but a heronies elemental power is based on thier resistance. Higher resistance = higher power. And higher power = more elemental offspring and better offspring. You can repetedly breed them initally to build up a stock of elemental hilichurls, but don't over-breed them and reduce their resistance to half their maximumn. At that breakpoint, a heroines natural resistance regeneration is cut in half, and they will only be able to naturaly recover to half thier willpower. Which in practical terms means they have a simi-permanent reduction in thier maximumn elemental power. Not ideal for your prime seadbeds. Only do this if you intend to corrupt them via the alter, as they will cost more to corrupt based on thier current willpower. But, again, don't reduce them to 0 willpower before doing so. That'll cause thier vision/core to break. And while you can repair that when corrupting them... it's not going to be as good as directly corrupting them... except for Yanfei. Her elemental core is weaker than the Abyssal Core that replaces it, so replacing her core and vision is a net +10 elemental power for her.

Next, it's important to realize that while you can breed your Nycto heroines with Nycto units... that's not actually where I'd suggest doing so. You'll need a lot of dendro and geo elemental units over the course of the game (and dendro, geo, cryo mitachurls), so it's helpful to use your nycto units for this. They aren't quite as good as your seed unit... but it's a lot less micromanement.

Additionally, don't underestimate how valuble sacrificing your units is. You don't need thousands of basic hilichurl, and I don't think you need more than 50+ of each element in stock. Whenever you start building up more than you need - sacrifice them. Elemental units will boost your elemental power, letting you get higher tier units easier. And regular or nycto units will increase your Abyss Power - which is very important to get.

Finally, don't conquer everything. Higher conquest % reduces the amount of slaves you get outside your colonies. High abyssalfication reduces the food you get from your basic farms and conquered settlements. And each conquered settlement increases your threat, which buffs enemy teams. Basically? Conquering and holding provinces just isn't worth it if they don't give you some real value. So key chokepoints, colonies, and anoying "spawner" provinces that send wandering armies into those provinces. Anything else can be left alone until after you conquer the main cities.

 

[trees]

First, let's get this out of the way - USE TRAINING. Specifically, you'll want to acquire Dr. Livingstone from Windrise and Esther from Dragonspine Camp. You'll need Scholars to do the training, but you'll be able to get a Dendro Samachurl from Dr. Livingstone, and a Cryo Samachurl from Esther. You'll also need to have generated enough threat to trigger Rosaria's spawn. Who you'll need to generate the basic Cryo Hilichurls needed for Esther's training. With those two Samachruls + 6 Nycto Hilichurls, it's feasable to capture Lumine at week 40. Dendro blocks Lumine's approach, Cryo pillars everyone, and the Nycto break her down.

FYI if you're unaware - training also currently buffs enemy troops. You should do it once for seed units to start getting dupes or if you really just have no other option to get samachurls, but once you've unlocked those tiers the only training you should do is the one that increases the number of units you can deploy.

 

[dekeche]

FYI if you're unaware - training also currently buffs enemy troops. You should do it once for seed units to start getting dupes or if you really just have no other option to get samachurls, but once you've unlocked those tiers the only training you should do is the one that increases the number of units you can deploy.

I know, but honestly? Early on it's worth it for those samachurls in particular. Since I don't think you can get samachurls by week 40 otherwise.

 

[SotSobRKamikaze]

I didn´t see someone mentioning it. In yilong warf when you colonize you can only build 2 Girl Farms but 3 are required for the Millelith Training Gound

 

[T4t0rt]

I mean... from that screenshot, you're clearly missing a resource. A branch I think, which you can make at the altar in the captive zone. Also, what difficulty are you playing on? You're on week 122 and you have 100k food and a shitload of geo Mitas, but also way, way too many basic troops.

As to why you're having so much trouble getting higher end troops, you've just played working with the characters totally wrong. I'm not quite sure how you're 3 runs in and seemingly haven't noticed that abusing your characters causes them to produce lower-quality troops over time, and corrupting them also reduces the quality of troops they can possibly create from their original element. Between Roasira and Beidou, you should have no problems getting Mitas every breeding cycle by using Samachurls to breed and giving them some time to rest between breedings. In fact, you have the cryo smachurl breeding Yelan for some reason. Noelle with some extra Geo power in the altar should be able to breed mitas consistently off other mitas, so you should also be getting plenty from that.

For dealing with Lumine, she has two phases. Purify cancels all elements except Nycto, so for phase 1 you need to hit her 3 times with nycto element. For phase 2, since she doesn't have an aura left, you have to hit her with normal reactions again - samachurls as unit leaders are great for this. The best way to handle her is four samachurls escorted by either fire/ice/cryo basic troops, or large fire/ice/cryo slimes - ideally, the escorts should be different element from the leaders. Then have four ice/grass/geo mitachurls escorted by nycto troops or slimes. And then basically just form a concave as best you can, bait her into it, and then beat the shit out of her.

While you're waiting to build up, ice/grass/geo Mitas escorted by large elemental slimes or geo basic troops will almost always survive, if barely. But Lumine ramps up with time rather than Threat and by week 122 the game definitely expects you to be able to beat Lumine.

All of this was done on Normal.

About Lumine, i forgot to say: even with the nycto attacking A) i deal almost 1-2 damages, even corrupting, B) she purifies the damage after one elemental attack, even phisical ones and C)she recovers, even under corruption, all the hp she lost. That's why i'm struggling a lot.

 

[Loveyoumuch]

Anyone know how to find this missing special NPC? I see it in gallery but not know how to find her.

Never mind I found her...

 

[MadKitten]

Is there maximum value for units in base? dunno if im trippin or my best units are always on 2, my air rogue on 7, and my frost samachurls were on 50 for some time, maybe im unlucky and didnt get them lately? Also game is indeed hard rn, but i see dev is capable to balance it out, im just advocating for unkillable(unmissable) trainers, since they are really important part of gameplay, u get power and new units from them and it sux to be ireverably locked out of them, just because ur storm samachurl totem decided to do a bit of homocide here and there...

 

[NamedUser1111]

About Lumine, i forgot to say: even with the nycto attacking A) i deal almost 1-2 damages, even corrupting, B) she purifies the damage after one elemental attack, even phisical ones and C)she recovers, even under corruption, all the hp she lost. That's why i'm struggling a lot.

The way it works is :
-A her turn, she gives herself a light aura. While she has the aura, she is VERY resistant to damages. If she already have her aura, I think she will heal.
- Every element exepct nycto reacts with the light aurato increase the value of the light aura (up to a maximum of 3).
- Nycto reacto with the aura to lower its value (you will need 2-3) nycto hits to remove the aura.


An phase 2, she gains flight, which also reduces damages and allows her to avoid the landmines. You can remove it by hitting her a lot (you'll probably die before that), or using the burst of a dendro samachurl or a strange hilichurl. You will probably want to save thoses burst for phase 2 if you aim to capture.

If you want to beat her, you will need :
A lot of nycto applications.
At least 1-2 dendro smachurls/stange hilichurl. (dendro hilichurl are the best, but don't attack with them if her light shield is up)
Then as much damages as possible (nycto if possible).

Your best friend in this fight is corrupted Rosaria: 3 actions/turn her skill deals a lot of nycto damages.Give her the best support you can.
Then, the catalyst girls are good to apply Nycto.


Make a save 5 turn berfore she comes, a save at the begining of the turn before she comes and a save just before figthng her. Use the last one to reload if you think you had a small chance of passing the figth, and the other 2 to adjust your team. Get a lot of mineral saved up (3-4000) to make the best units you can have. From now toher next fight, focus only on preparing for her.

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Otherwise, with this list of girls, which ones i should corrupt/make as units, and send against Lumine next time i'll face her? and remember this before to suggest unrealistic this:

A) so far, my rng was the most negative possible;

B) this is my third run: the others, no matter what efforts i made, where all done before turn 60 by Lumine, no matter the preparations. Said this, restart is not an option: this would means i'll be forced to abandon the game and wait for not sure heavy rebalances for the enemies;

Said those two things, remember: you're suggesting stuffs to a player with AN ENORMUS AMOUNT OF MISFORTUNE. So, give suggestion taking this in the account.

The game is still good, but now, for me at least, is really vexing.

My advices :

Corrupt Beidou : you broke her vision, so that's the only thing left to do with her.
Give a break to Yelan, Noelle, Mona and Hu Tao until they are back to max resistance (or as high as they can get if they are submissive) and only breed them when they are at 1-2 points of their max value.
Auto-mating is NOT your friend.
Breed girls only with units of the same element : if you don't, it's not a matter of rng : you will get bad units. Same : the lower their resistance, the worst the units.
Don't corrupt anyone else far a while. You need to keep girls of the different elements to get good units of these elements (see above).
One last thing : the offsping seems to be chosen when mating, not when giving birth. If you do something to imporve your rng (saveloading, potions...) to it before the breeding.
Make some abyss branches and plant them in you base until you have 3-4. Sacrifice all your small nycto slimes. It gives you abyss energy and helps making branches/ressurecting girls.
Can you fight the woppleflower boss ? If you can, do it. If not, try to reach the requirement.

 

[T4t0rt]

The way it works is :
-A her turn, she gives herself a light aura. While she has the aura, she is VERY resistant to damages. If she already have her aura, I think she will heal.
- Every element exepct nycto reacts with the light aurato increase the value of the light aura (up to a maximum of 3).
- Nycto reacto with the aura to lower its value (you will need 2-3) nycto hits to remove the aura.


An phase 2, she gains flight, which also reduces damages and allows her to avoid the landmines. You can remove it by hitting her a lot (you'll probably die before that), or using the burst of a dendro samachurl or a strange hilichurl. You will probably want to save thoses burst for phase 2 if you aim to capture.

If you want to beat her, you will need :
A lot of nycto applications.
At least 1-2 dendro smachurls/stange hilichurl. (dendro hilichurl are the best, but don't attack with them if her light shield is up)
Then as much damages as possible (nycto if possible).

Your best friend in this fight is corrupted Rosaria: 3 actions/turn her skill deals a lot of nycto damages.Give her the best support you can.
Then, the catalyst girls are good to apply Nycto.


Make a save 5 turn berfore she comes, a save at the begining of the turn before she comes and a save just before figthng her. Use the last one to reload if you think you had a small chance of passing the figth, and the other 2 to adjust your team. Get a lot of mineral saved up (3-4000) to make the best units you can have. From now toher next fight, focus only on preparing for her.




My advices :

Corrupt Beidou : you broke her vision, so that's the only thing left to do with her.
Give a break to Yelan, Noelle, Mona and Hu Tao until they are back to max resistance (or as high as they can get if they are submissive) and only breed them when they are at 1-2 points of their max value.
Auto-mating is NOT your friend.
Breed girls only with units of the same element : if you don't, it's not a matter of rng : you will get bad units. Same : the lower their resistance, the worst the units.
Don't corrupt anyone else far a while. You need to keep girls of the different elements to get good units of these elements (see above).
One last thing : the offsping seems to be chosen when mating, not when giving birth. If you do something to imporve your rng (saveloading, potions...) to it before the breeding.
Make some abyss branches and plant them in you base until you have 3-4. Sacrifice all your small nycto slimes. It gives you abyss energy and helps making branches/ressurecting girls.
Can you fight the woppleflower boss ? If you can, do it. If not, try to reach the requirement.

I can corrupt Beidou anytime, at this point. Rosaria is already corrupted: idk which units are the best for her. I noticed slimes are, somehow, recharging the elements. And about Lumine: the problem is, aside the insane speed of her barrier recharge, even attacking with all the nycto in one turn, i deal just 1-2 damage per attack, even without her having the barrier. What i've tried to say so far, and now i'll try to say more clearly: SHE. DOESN'T. TAKE. ANY. DAMAGE. NO. MATTER. THE. UNITS.

I think now is clear. In the last update, after three attacks by nyctos, the other elements worked pretty well. But this, i repeat, is in the past update. Now i'm struggling because, no matter what i try, even a squad of 8 corrupted girls don't deal the right damage.

P.s: thanks to a previous save, now i'm breeding slimes in order to give some variety to my units. Especially the level 3 slimes: maybe with them i can change (i hope) this enormous problem called Lumine. Anad, about training: the amount of resources/girls required is simply wrong.

I'll say once again: this update, instead of balancing stuffs, has made them really unbalanced, because yes, now we have farm, and an enormous food income, but zero incomes of minerals (my only mineral income comes from sweeping). 90% of the time i'm using the resources to made new squads for ammassing new reinforcements for the next Lumi wave. And restart everything is out of question: i have no guarantees to not suffer ever more bad luck, unless i'll get capped in a situation where restarting everything is the only solution possible.

Everything went south when the western units started to attacking me even with the treath bar at minimum level and invaded my base, risking to lose the run.

 

[NamedUser1111]

Do you have a save before your Lumine fight ?
I could try to get a better understanding of your situation. Your Lumine seems A LOT stronger than the one I fought...

For Rosaria, I would say either the nycto archers for extra nycto application, or the geo hilichurl for survivability.

Also, corrupted girls are not all that strong in average, unfortunately.

 

[T4t0rt]

 

[NamedUser1111]

Can you send me the save file (if possible with a few actions/ressources left before the end of turn) so that I can see how she reacts ?
(I don't want to give other advices that just can't be applied).

 

[T4t0rt]

New try. As you can see, she's barely scratched, and i attacked with all my units in one turn. She's invincible, period.