VN Ren'Py Hillside [v0.15.1] [DarkBlue]

[Olsens.M]

My first thought about how MC is going to get away with the ending scene:
He could drag Carter's body to the Zak and make it look like a movie superhero Zak cracked Carter's neck, but then succumbed to the knife wound. Died bravely defending Emma from crazed attacker. Media would totally buy the story.

Good point with the latest update is that now Emma is free for a romance with the MC. No more Zak worshipping blinding her view.

the point of the discussion is not how he gonna cover up his crime. It is about Charlotte, a LI, seeing he killing a disarmed, immobilized person, intentionally and in cold blood in front of her and her daughter. And as soon as he cover up, make up any story that goes different from what really happened, he makes charlotte an accessory/accomplice to the crime.

I am glad charlotte was holding Emma against her, so she couldn't see that scene. Because if she saw it, it would have been even worse.

 

[J.R.]

And how's your first phrase helping that cause?

Ah f.ck, thought your first response was about that Emma changed "suddenly" her behavior, but it's about she's a Li. Sorry.

 

[Old Dog]

y’all can stop arguing.

Dark blue already confirmed Emma will be one of the love interest of the game. As for how that will happen just wait and see.

I can see Emma/MC being a LI but not in a sexual way which is what I was trying to say.

 

[D9074]

With Charlotte, you never know. He did save her daughter, but she also saw him kill a dude when he could have incapacitated him instead. Judging by the pacing of the game so far, I think that could make her pull back from him for a little while, now that she's seen with her own eyes how dangerous he can be. Hope I'm wrong, and it brings them closer together.

i had that in my mind a bit but the man had a knife to her daughters throat and said he wanted to cut charlotte into pieces, from her wording at the end she said something like what will happen now, i think it seems she is more worried what will happen to him now he killed him, like she is worried about if he will go jail for it or something. she might be shocked but i think even suzi would back the mc with what he did.

 

[Olsens.M]

I can see Emma/MC being a LI but not in a sexual way which is what I was trying to say.

I wouldn't like to see her as LI right now. We got to the point where emma see him as a dad and MC already expressed seeing Emma as a father. Where Suzi and Charlotte have feelings for him and then he is gonna choose Emma as LI would be a little weird.

Specially after that smartphone scene where you can see she sees him as a "dad".

Ps. I named my MC "Dan" so when I saw she had "Dad" on her phone I was thinking... did she wrote that right or was it a typo?

 

[Saguaro28]

Awesome!! I'm already looking forward to the next update! Good luck!

 

[Olsens.M]

Fair enough.



If you don't want to like her that's up to you. I like to give her a little bit of credit though and heres why.

First of all I think we can all agree without a doubt that Emma is spoiled and protected to an extreme degree.

She has her mother and aunt treating her like an infant showering her with gifts and doing everything in their power to make her happy. She doesn't go out and pretty much lived in a vacuum before the MC arrived.

The MC turns up and treats her the exact same way at her mother's request. She doesn't even know why the MC is here he's lying to her the exact same way everybody else is. For crying out loud even Zak is lying to her. She's living in a bubble where shes treat like a princess and shielded from anything that might upset her or hurt her she is a product of her environment.

Her behaviour at being denied a date with Zak while bratish is totally expected with the way she is treated. There is no way she can imagine the danger she could be in while living in this little fairytale world her family has created for her. The only reasonable explanation she can come up with from the information she has is she's being punished.

If she knew all the facts do you think it's possible she would have acted differently? I think theres a good chance she would have. I don't put 100% of the blame on Emma for her behaviour, I think it's reasonable to imagine most people would be the same. I mean you only have to browse this site for 2-3 minutes to witness so many people who acted just like Emma.

Again if you want to hate her, that's fine. But I think she isn't as bad as some of you think and I wouldn't be shocked if we were to see some siginificant character development with her after recent events.

You just described perfectly everything that Emma is. really good.
With that being said, I wouldn't even called her a brat. She is just doing what any kid would do when they feel they are being punished for no reason. And as you said she has been treated as a child her whole life. I think calling her a brat is too much according to her actions related to not being able to go out with Zac.

 

[SirAlexander111]

I can see Emma/MC being a LI but not in a sexual way which is what I was trying to say.

Is there any other type of love interest too?

I wouldn't like to see her as LI right now. We got to the point where emma see him as a dad and MC already expressed seeing Emma as a father. Where Suzi and Charlotte have feelings for him and then he is gonna choose Emma as LI would be a little weird.

Specially after that smartphone scene where you can see she sees him as a "dad".

Ps. I named my MC "Dan" so when I saw she had "Dad" on her phone I was thinking... did she wrote that right or was it a typo?

I would love to on the contrary. There's nothing biological between them by the way, so i dont know why is that weird?

And don't let your hate cloud your opinion.

 

[Old Dog]

Is there any other type of love interest too?

I would love to on the contrary. There's nothing biological between them by the way, so i dont know why is that weird?

And don't let your hate cloud your opinion.

There is no hate

 

[Olsens.M]

Is there any other type of love interest too?

I would love to on the contrary. There's nothing biological between them by the way, so i dont know why is that weird?

And don't let your hate cloud your opinion.

Yes there is nothing biological, but it has nothing to do with biological links anyway. When you adopt someone, as an example, there is no biological link either. It is all about how you see and feel about the person. Even though she is 18 and have breasts, she is totally childish. I don't find that attractive. I don't see her different than a 13-14 yo kid. At least, untill now, her personality was built that way.

If I started seeing her as child and as a daughter and my feelings for her is as she would be a daughter that I never had, I'd hardly see her as a LI or have any sexual desires. And they already expressed that feeling for each other. It would be a lil weird to change that feeling only to satisfy someone's dick.

Me as someone who's past 30's and the MC who is probably past 30 as well. I find it hard he would change that feeling towards her right now. After 30, you usually start acting more with your head than with your dick.


ah I forgot to answer to this?

"And don't let your hate cloud your opinion."

Where are you seeing any hate on whatever I said? I find it funny how people say someone is hating when all they are doing is exposing their opinion about certain subject. I didn't even see myself being offensive on whatever I said in this subject. So I don't know where there is hate on my comments to "cloud" my opinion.

 

[SirAlexander111]

When you adopt someone, as an example, there is no biological link either. I

No adoption here. So goalpost shifted i see.

If I started seeing her as child and as a daughter and my feelings for her is as she would be a daughter that I never had, I'd hardly see her as a LI or have any sexual desires. And they already expressed that feeling for each other. It would be a lil weird to change that feeling only to satisfy someone's dick.

you started this para with i and ended with satisfying someone's dick. Did you just plaster your opinion on someone else.
You don't see her that way, but some sure do what's so weird about that, i don't get it. Sure she needs to show some maturity but what's with your last sentence.

Me as someone who's past 30's and the MC who is probably past 30 as well. I find it hard he would change that feeling towards her right now. After 30, you usually start acting more with your head than with your dick.

The developer sure sees that way, oh wait a minute was he thinking with his dick.


You don't like scratch that want to see her as a LI yet you feel weird if something along lines is gonna happen obviously because you see her as daughter you never had.
Me being a 24 see no weird in that even though the mc is past 30, and apparently dev too thinks that way.

 

[Old Dog]

Yes there is nothing biological, but it has nothing to do with biological links anyway. When you adopt someone, as an example, there is no biological link either. It is all about how you see and feel about the person. Even though she is 18 and have breasts, she is totally childish. I don't find that attractive. I don't see her different than a 13-14 yo kid. At least, untill now, her personality was built that way.

If I started seeing her as child and as a daughter and my feelings for her is as she would be a daughter that I never had, I'd hardly see her as a LI or have any sexual desires. And they already expressed that feeling for each other. It would be a lil weird to change that feeling only to satisfy someone's dick.

Me as someone who's past 30's and the MC who is probably past 30 as well. I find it hard he would change that feeling towards her right now. After 30, you usually start acting more with your head than with your dick.


ah I forgot to answer to this?

"And don't let your hate cloud your opinion."

Where are you seeing any hate on whatever I said? I find it funny how people say someone is hating when all they are doing is exposing their opinion about certain subject. I didn't even see myself being offensive on whatever I said in this subject. So I don't know where there is hate on my comments to "cloud" my opinion.

I agree with you and the MC was worried about the age difference between them(Emma model) whether or not it would of worked out between them.
So far I have seen no sexual interest between the MC/Emma to make me think that they could be anything more than father/daughter figure.Emma would like nothing more than to see her mother happy and the MC as her father and has even tried to push them together so for me personally I don't see Emma as a sexual interest for the MC or vice versa that could change but I would find that weird,my opinion.

 

[Havik79]

If you want to believe that Emma is a whiny brat that's totally up to you, I wouldn't totally disagree. Saying Emma just magically turned into a brat though is so far gone the entire plot must have just flown over your heads. The thing you guys seem to be missing is a tiny little thing called CONTEXT. Maybe just maybe..... the reason Emma has become whiny now and not before is due to the fact she had nothing to whine about before? She was coddled and protected and has not been told no up until now. Suddenly she's in a situation where she's being denied something she wants desperately. Brat? sure! But to make out that it's out of character or she's suddenly a different person is ridiculous. Believe it or not peoples attitudes can change in different situations!

Maybe after such a long time between updates, it is hard to remember, or maybe it just seems more noticeable this time.

 

[SirAlexander111]

I agree with you and the MC was worried about the age difference between them(Emma model) whether or not it would of worked out between them.
So far I have seen no sexual interest between the MC/Emma to make me think that they could be anything more than father/daughter figure.Emma would like nothing more than to see her mother happy and the MC as her father and has even tried to push them together so for me personally I don't see Emma as a sexual interest for the MC or vice versa that cold change but I would find that weird,my opinion.

To each their own i guess.

 

[Olsens.M]

I agree with you and the MC was worried about the age difference between them(Emma model) whether or not it would of worked out between them.
So far I have seen no sexual interest between the MC/Emma to make me think that they could be anything more than father/daughter figure.Emma would like nothing more than to see her mother happy and the MC as her father and has even tried to push them together so for me personally I don't see Emma as a sexual interest for the MC or vice versa that cold change but I would find that weird,my opinion.

Yeah, I totally agree with you. But lets see how it goes from now on.

 

[Olsens.M]

No adoption here. So goalpost shifted i see.

you started this para with i and ended with satisfying someone's dick. Did you just plaster your opinion on someone else.
You don't see her that way, but some sure do what's so weird about that, i don't get it. Sure she needs to show some maturity but what's with your last sentence.

The developer sure sees that way, oh wait a minute was he thinking with his dick.


You don't like scratch that want to see her as a LI yet you feel weird if something along lines is gonna happen obviously because you see her as daughter you never had.
Me being a 24 see no weird in that even though the mc is past 30, and apparently dev too thinks that way.

I believe he tries to see through the eyes of his characters. That way he can make each one have their own personality and not having the same mindset.

If you are a 30 or 40 years old MC, you won't see things, life, the same way a 20 or 18 yo do. At least in most of cases. That doesn't mean he won't like someone who is younger than he is. We see that happening a lot in RL.

But once they expressed certain feelings, for so many times, as if they were father and daughter, as if she wanted to see him happy with her mom and he also already expressed having feelings for either her mom or her aunt Luci, and seeing her as a kid or daughter, it would hardly change to seeing her as someone he wants to be with as LI or have any sexual desire.

Ofc it is a VN and the dev can make anything happen. but I still believe it would be a little weird.

Even if he decides to introduce her as a possible LI in the future I will avoid that route anyway, because I already chose to see her as a daughter and not as a LI.

 

[Old Dog]

Yeah, I totally agree with you. But lets see how it goes from now on.

I also feel that Emma would have to mature one hell of a lot for the MC to see her as a sexual interest

 

[SirAlexander111]

I believe he tries to see through the eyes of his characters. That way he can make each one have their own personality and not having the same mindset.

If you are a 30 or 40 years old MC, you won't see things, life, the same way a 20 or 18 yo do. At least in most of cases. That doesn't mean he won't like someone who is younger than he is. We see that happening a lot in RL.

But once they expressed certain feelings, for so many times, as if they were father and daughter, as if she wanted to see him happy with her mom and he also already expressed having feelings for either her mom or her aunt Luci, and seeing her as a kid or daughter, it would hardly change to seeing her as someone he wants to be with as LI or have any sexual desire.

Ofc it is a VN and the dev can make anything happen. but I still believe it would be a little weird.

Even if he decides to introduce her as a possible LI in the future I will avoid that route anyway, because I already chose to see her as a daughter and not as a LI.

Like i said to each their own. You see her as a long lost daughter but me don't, the developer stated that she's going to be one of the four li's so I'll see how he's going to pull that off, brace for an impact budd.. Rides are going to be bumpy.

 

[znar25]

I just want to personally say thanks to detective Carter for getting rid of Zak.


And of course thank you Hillside, for as usual such a fun game. Keep up the great work.

 

[znar25]

One possibility is that someone as famous as Zak getting murdered and the killer attempting to kill another person and MC ending up killing someone with his bare hands vs a combat knife, the media would be all agog about Zak getting killed and that is probably it. Yes, it was shaky once the threat was neutralized but, anyway, it will probably end up being a non-issue for MC.

His street cred goes up too. Ex mil bodyguard is attacked by someone with a combat knife, gets injured and kills the assailant. It was also a good lesson for Charlotte to know that given the opportunity, MC will do the same against any other threat.

Anyway... all good fun.

From the movie "Man on Fire", 2004,

John Creasy: "You move, you make one sound, I'll snatch the life right out of you. You understand?"