I'm pretty sure the Patrons would riot. Uh, I mean the Patrons would "fiery-but-mostly-peacefully protest."
But that would be funny AF...
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But that would be funny AF...
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If I'm not mistaken, there was dialogue (or monologue?) when Lucy accept that Charlotte loves MC and she's even willing to push them together.
Since english isn't your mother tongue, I'll ASSume you are not familiar with the legal system in the USA.
It's very basic. The US legal system, assuming it operates properly, reserves to a person the ABSOLUTE right of self defense, limited to situations where that person is being attacked. Now up to the point where the person is facing deadly force and is in fear for their life or the life or lives or others, that right is mitigated by the notion of appropriate force. Appropriate force takes into consideration the circumstances involved. For example a man of moderate age who is in good shape is attacked by an unarmed person. Were he to pull out a pistol and kill his attacker his actions would be scrutinized and he'd likely have to convince a jury that he was in fact in fear for his life. Consider the same attack on a 90 pound 60 year old woman who shoots her attacker. Her use of deadly force would almost assuredly be accepted at face value.
In this case Carter attacks an unarmed MC with a deadly weapon declaring his intent to kill him and chop Charlotte into pieces in front of Emma. There is NO question that the MC faces a deadly threat and is at least in fear for Charlotte's and Emma's life, if not his own. Then he gets badly cut. Carter never surrenders. The MC has NO legal, or (in my opinion) moral, obligation to leave him alive to later threaten Charlotte or Emma. Had Carter not had the knife and declared his intent to kill, the actions of the MC MIGHT have been difficult to defend, but as staged he was within his rights and Carter got exactly what he deserved.
All over the world, there are instances where a misapplied chokehold broke a suspect's neck. Other than weird Hillside legal corruption, there is no way this comes back on the MC.
They don't dump the body. Charlotte calls her lawyer(s) and explains whats happened. (And yes she can call 24x7x365 and they will answer the phone). Having called her lawyer(s), Charlotte calls the police with the news that her daughter and her bodyguard have been assaulted and that they need an ambulance and that there are wounded. She doesn't tell them anyone is dead. She doesn't need to, nor should she or Emma approach Carter's remains. Wrap something around the MC's arm and wait for the EMTs. If the police beat her lawyer(s) to the scene, say nothing to nobody until they arrive.I assume MC will send Charlotte to take Emma home, then call his bartender warbuddy to come help him dispose of the body.
Sidenote: You know you have a true blue ride-or-die friend if they'll drop everything and come help you hide a corpse
MC knows enough by now to know...or at least suspect that Carter is involved with the Sex Slavery Ring, and might reasonably anticipate that if he tries to tell the truth he'll just get setup by other corrupt cops.
Also judging from bits of slang sprinkled throughout this game I believe it's all set in Europe. Britain, most likely. And Europeans don't have nearly the level of respect for self-defense that Americans have. Red/Purple State Americans, at least. So while MC was morally right to kill Carter, it's possible he might still have violated some sort of duty-to-retreat law. A psychotically unjust law, but a law nonetheless. Further incentive to hide the body.
Maybe the agent lady will even help.
"I've never been so upset or confused. My lawyer is a close personal friend as soon as he/she gets here I'm happy to talk with you. I'm providing legal representation for my daughter and my employee and I expect you to extend to them the same courtesy."
Once Charlotte invokes the lawyers the cops stop asking anything.
Then they wait for the lawyer(s) and police to arrive. Remember the MC hasn't broken the law. Innocent people call the cops. It really is that simple.
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Yes proportional. - What exactly is proportional to an attacker armed with a deadly weapon with the stated intent to kill you and those your protect? Luckily the legal system has an answer. Which is, any level of deadly force is considered appropriate. Period. When defending others, in this situation, you are there is no state that requires you to retreat. Remember, he's hired to protect them. Even in California he doesn't have to retreat and leave them to Carter's mercy. Further, Carter is attacking, retreat generally is the case where someone has broken into your home with the intent to ROB you not an attack in the open where the attacker's declared intent is to kill you and those you protect.
There simply is NO legal space that even suggests he didn't have the right to use deadly force in his and their defense. Period. DB has established a foundational defense for the MC's actions. Whether or not the legal process in Hillside will respect that is yet to be determined, but in the real world. Once the lawyer(s) show and statements are taken. They all go home. No one spend even a night in jail.
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I agree with your point: deadly force was justified here. Even morally speaking, MC had a greater obligation to save Emma and Charlotte than to subdue Carter.
I think it's all moot, as I don't think either the Hillside Cartel or the Dev want to see a highly publicized trial.
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I've been enjoying the game for a while now, and there's only one scene that I've come across that (in my opinion) needs a rewrite and that's the Shop Assistant scene.
As a bodyguard, I find it hard to believe that MC would allow himself to be chased away from his client over something so trivial. Especially since the solution to the problem was just a few paces away in the change room.
Having Emma come out and say that MC is supposed to be there and having Kayla come out and tell the Shop Assistant to mind her own fucking business or lose the sale is the only logical course of action for this scene. Having MC leave his client behind makes no sense.
A minor quibble, but it rubbed me the wrong way. Another MC in another game, sure. This MC, a bodyguard, being chased off by a sexist twat-nozzle in this part of town when he's on edge for Emma's safety? No way.
Anyways, like I said, a minor thing. Loving the game so far and I'm not looking forward to the moment when I confirm Lucy's fears and choose Charlotte.
As a bodyguard, I find it hard to believe that MC would allow himself to be chased away from his client over something so trivial. Especially since the solution to the problem was just a few paces away in the change room.
Having Emma come out and say that MC is supposed to be there and having Kayla come out and tell the Shop Assistant to mind her own fucking business or lose the sale is the only logical course of action for this scene. Having MC leave his client behind makes no sense.
A minor quibble, but it rubbed me the wrong way. Another MC in another game, sure. This MC, a bodyguard, being chased off by a sexist twat-nozzle in this part of town when he's on edge for Emma's safety? No way.
Anyways, like I said, a minor thing. Loving the game so far and I'm not looking forward to the moment when I confirm Lucy's fears and choose Charlotte.
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I'm a Patron, but I'm not sure how I'd react honestly. But it would be kind of funny, yes.
If there is a no love path, he might just leave after the job is done as with any job. Not sure about the horse though.
In a "normal" context I would agree that would be the most plausible scenario.
Well laid out on your part, by the way. Kudos.
But remember they are dealing with the deeply corrupt Hillside PD. And a Jeffrey Epstein(who did not kill himself)-level sex slave ring that has can wield the all the power, wealth, and influence of it's many high profile bigshot members.
Think about how much everyone on the team trusted Carter right up until this happened. Would Charlotte still trust her lawyer? Even if we assume the Lawyer isn't already compromised(Which is by no means guaranteed) that does not mean they can't be in short order, whether through bribery or intimidation. Or both.
The only people they know for sure they can trust are each other. Going through proper channels only works when you have a reasonable expectation that the proper authorities aren't corrupt. A difficult hurdle to clear with the corpse of a cop you mistakenly trusted still laying warm at your feet....
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Hate to flog a dead horse and not making excuses but.
And I doubt that it will make any difference to the arguement.
What we see as taking time and for some of us more time than other's depending on reading Speed.
Could easyly of been decribed as being over in mere seconds in real time.
Since people think a hell of a lot faster than they read.
And there are that so few frame's between the start of the choke hold to the Snap of the neck.
P.S. alots said about the MC being X-military so why was Carter stupid enough to attack him.
Please don't forget Carter wasn't some thug or man off the street either he was a Detective.
Police trained might (ok I doubt the police will for give me for this it may not be to the same lvl as the military" but Im guessing they still teach unarmed combat plus Carter acts as though he maybe a psychopath.
Why would he care the MC is x-military he probably felt no one could beat him in a fight.
Just saying.
And I doubt that it will make any difference to the arguement.
What we see as taking time and for some of us more time than other's depending on reading Speed.
Could easyly of been decribed as being over in mere seconds in real time.
Since people think a hell of a lot faster than they read.
And there are that so few frame's between the start of the choke hold to the Snap of the neck.
P.S. alots said about the MC being X-military so why was Carter stupid enough to attack him.
Please don't forget Carter wasn't some thug or man off the street either he was a Detective.
Police trained might (ok I doubt the police will for give me for this it may not be to the same lvl as the military" but Im guessing they still teach unarmed combat plus Carter acts as though he maybe a psychopath.
Why would he care the MC is x-military he probably felt no one could beat him in a fight.
Just saying.
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Who's going to tell on the MC? Charlotte? There were no other witnesses and I doubt Charlotte would let loose that the MC could've incapacitated Carter instead of killing him. Besides that, Carter was actively resisting. He had his hands on the MC's arm so we can assume he was trying to get free(Especially because he was cussing at him).
Your points are well made, but dumping the body is a criminal act. The corruption hides from daylight. So Charlotte calls Lucy to have her call the press as well. Maybe the MC calls his new FBI agent friend. Then you've got cops, lawyers, maybe the Feds, and cameras. It's suddenly VERY hard to cover this up or bury the three of them in the system.
As for Charlotte's ability to trust her lawyer(s). I'm no one special but I've had a relationship with my lawyer and his firm for 39 years. I can't say we're "friends", but over that period he's proven to be absolutely trustworthy. Among lawyers, his firm has a spotless record for integrity, and no amount of money would be worth damaging that reputation. Someone in Charlotte's position would have a long term relationship with her lawyer(s). One that's been tested over the years. Since we've seen no interaction between her and her lawyer(s) it's entirely speculative as to their integrity etc.
IMHO, regardless of the risks of abiding by the system, remaining innocent of any criminal activity as relates to this event seems far less risky. But your points are certainly valid.
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as long as they don't hire Amber Turds lawyer....
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I can already imagine the scene. Minister knocks on the coffin: "Are you saying I do?"
*rumbling inside, sounds of someone turning around* "NOOOOOOOO! Is her mom here though?"
*rumbling inside, sounds of someone turning around* "NOOOOOOOO! Is her mom here though?"
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Watching Emma and Zak interact is like watching a very slow train wreck I just want to look away. lmao
When it comes to MC being a bodyguard the least believable thing about him is the lack of literally any weapon what is MC gonna do if there is a stalker with a gun? Ask him nicely if they can fist fight?