VN Ren'Py Hillside [v0.16.1] [DarkBlue]

[Caeir]

I can understand Steam's perspective. If they put a no school rule into effect, they don't have to examine every product that comes across their service. The problem with that stance is, they don't inspect every product that comes across their doorstep... How many 1st/3rd person shooters have a setting that you can go across a school ground? I know of 3 immediately and I don't even play 1st/3rd person shooters. And I can guarantee you all 3 are HUGE sellers (which may be the reason Steam ignores it). In any case, you don't have to be 18 to go to college. I knew several people in HS that attended college classes as sophomores and juniors (40 years ago). Classes like advanced calculus, engineering and computer programming were all college courses students could leave HS to attend, and they got both college and HS credit. It's a sad state when politics (and $$$) can over-ride what is considered to be legal.

 

[Joshy92]

Steam is very strict when it comes to games with a high school setting
And if a game is denied the dev can't resubmit it for review even if they make changes

I love this game, but I don't think steam would approve it unfortunately
Which sucks because it would be one of my favourite games on there
And a great addition to my collection

 

[LewdLife]

All I wanted was to love them all by not cheating any one of them.

But dev has other plans.

 

[Dark Silence]

Steam is very strict when it comes to games with a high school setting
And if a game is denied the dev can't resubmit it for review even if they make changes

I love this game, but I don't think steam would approve it unfortunately
Which sucks because it would be one of my favourite games on there
And a great addition to my collection

That's wrong. At least last I heard. They get one chance to fix/change the game. Then they may resubmit it. If it's still not up to their standards, it's finito.

 

[Joshy92]

That's wrong. At least last I heard. They get one chance to fix/change the game. Then they may resubmit it. If it's still not up to their standards, it's finito.

This is a message another dev got about resubmitting

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They could have just been extra diligent with this game
But I think it might be the same for all games

 

[IHATESlowburnBluBallgames]

Steam is very strict when it comes to games with a high school setting
And if a game is denied the dev can't resubmit it for review even if they make changes

I love this game, but I don't think steam would approve it unfortunately
Which sucks because it would be one of my favourite games on there
And a great addition to my collection

But nothing sexual even happens at the college, just some bullying and a fight scene, so what is wrong with that?

 

[Dark Silence]

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They could have just been extra diligent with this game
But I think it might be the same for all games

Did you actually read that? It's talking about content that was considered 'pedophilia'. If the dev had of explained the one girl's disease and not used the words 'high school' things would've been different. When presenting a game, you have to be 100% on spot with the description, otherwise it can get banned right off.

 

[Joshy92]

But nothing sexual even happens at the college, just some bullying and a fight scene, so what is wrong with that?

I had a brain fart for a second and forgot Emma was in college not high school
You're right this should be safe

If Emma was in high school, I don't think they would have accepted it though

 

[Joshy92]

Did you actually read that? It's talking about content that was considered 'pedophilia'. If the dev had of explained the one girl's disease and not used the words 'high school' things would've been different. When presenting a game, you have to be 100% on spot with the description, otherwise it can get banned right off.

Yes but you said a dev can resubmit a game
And that person said they can't that's what I was talking about

 

[Dark Silence]

Yes but you said a dev can resubmit a game
And that person said they can't that's what I was talking about

As I said, a dev can. But when you present a game that has loli-ish characters, you have to be as pertinent as you can in regards to it. The dev can still contact Valve support over it and he might get another chance at resubmission. But an actual Steam rep reviewed that game. So, only way around it is to talk to a Valve rep.

 

[Maviarab]

I had a brain fart for a second and forgot Emma was in college not high school
You're right this should be safe

If Emma was in high school, I don't think they would have accepted it though

Emma is in High School...she is about to gradute (out of school because she doesn;t want to go back) and deciding on whether to persue college or work for the designer. Brain fart indeed Joshy..how could you of all people forget this?

 

[Joshy92]

Emma is in High School...she is about to gradute (out of school because she doesn;t want to go back) and deciding on whether to persue college or work for the designer. Brain fart indeed Joshy..how could you of all people forget this?

I just checked her bio in game
And it says she is studying at college

Was she in high school earlier in the game? I have forgotten tbh

 

[yossa999]

I just checked her bio in game
And it says she is studying at college

Was she in high school earlier in the game? I have forgotten tbh

Damn Joshy, that brain fart is contagious
I also forgot for a minute that she was in college. And she faces the choice of finishing college or going to an internship to Valentini.

 

[Maviarab]

I just checked her bio in game
And it says she is studying at college

Was she in high school earlier in the game? I have forgotten tbh

Then one is wrong, or darkblue is not American and has no clue what he talking about. Very clearly in game..part of the plot..she does want to to return to school to graduate and will do so at home and finish her final project there. There are multiple discussions with characters as to whether Emma should go to 'college'...or work for the designer.

Suzi is in college. Emma is not.... If Emma was in her final year of college..she would not be 18 now would she? Think about it....this is just another fucking annoying story where an 18 year old should ALREADY be in college....as 18yo's leave high School at that age...their final year...which would leave any plot/story/VN a maybe 3 month window in which to operate in a 'school' setting as the vast majority would have already left 'school' in the summer in preperation for an autumn start semester at college.

Damn Joshy, that brain fart is contagious
I also forgot for a minute that she was in college. And she faces the choice of finishing college or going to an internship to Valentini.

Again...since when did 18 year olds in the States finish 'college'....

She is younger than Suzi...who is in college....

 

[Joshy92]

Then one is wrong, or darkblue is not American and has no clue what he talking about. Very clearly in game..part of the plot..she does want to to return to school to graduate and will do so at home and finish her final project there. There are multiple discussions with characters as to whether Emma should go to 'college'...or work for the designer.

Suzi is in college. Emma is not.... If Emma was in her final year of college..she would not be 18 now would she? Think about it....this is just another fucking annoying story where an 18 year old should ALREADY be in college....as 18yo's leave high School at that age...their final year...which would leave any plot/story/VN a maybe 3 month window in which to operate in a 'school' setting as the vast majority would have already left 'school' in the summer in preperation for an autumn start semester at college.




Again...since when did 18 year olds in the States finish 'college'....

She is younger than Suzi...who is in college....

I just checked Suzi's bio
And it says she is studying at university

It's been a while since I played so I have forgotten a lot of the dialogue
You're probably right she says college
I'm just going by what the bio says

 

[Maviarab]

I just checked Suzi's bio
And it says she is studying at university

It's been a while since I played so I have forgotten a lot of the dialogue
You're probably right she says college
I'm just going by what the bio says

University? lol...

So basically dark is trying to fudge the system and avoid issues and make it a European/UK system then, even though it is so obviously set in the States. Part of the problem probably comes from the interchangeable use of the word college in the states, even if they mean University (further creating problems with bio descriptions). Fact of the matter though still remains that no 18yo would be finishing 'college'...they would be finishing High School though and while college and university can mostly be the same within the states (as in most universities are also and have a college within them..like Harvard fro example)...darkblue is obviously making a distinction between the two...and that distinction fails miserably under scrutiny.

He obviously wants Emma to be at shool and Suzi to be at college..but his play on words to avoid any issues complicates his plot because it quite frankly...can't exist. If Emma was finishing/graduating college..she would be 20+....in the States or in Europe...

I still wonder how Steam would treat that though.

Clears it up the confusion then.

 

[rudy007]

As I said, a dev can. But when you present a game that has loli-ish characters, you have to be as pertinent as you can in regards to it. The dev can still contact Valve support over it and he might get another chance at resubmission. But an actual Steam rep reviewed that game. So, only way around it is to talk to a Valve rep.

I have only one question; how to determine age of a digital characters? Many devs make them shorter than their parents (read: mom), and expect them to believe it isn't a loli. (There are few exceptions, but a 18 yo is higher then their mom in most cases... Some devs try to explain it somehow (short grandparents etc.) but they still act as 13 yo. That mean dev go directly against Steam policies and hope what? Do devs think, Steam will not see it? Devs just like to walk that fine gray line.

 

[Dark Silence]

I have only one question; how to determine age of a digital characters? Many devs make them shorter than their parents (read: mom), and expect them to believe it isn't a loli. (There are few exceptions, but a 18 yo is higher then their mom in most cases... Some devs try to explain it somehow (short grandparents etc.) but they still act as 13 yo. That mean dev go directly against Steam policies and hope what? Do they devs think, Steam will not see it? Devs just like to walk that fine gray line.

Ask the Australian government. Most of the current shit going on is because of that. If the girl has no boobs and is under 5 feet tall, she's basically jailbait now a days.

 

[Joshy92]

High school or college I don't really care
I love this awesome game

 

[yossa999]

Again...since when did 18 year olds in the States finish 'college'....

She is younger than Suzi...who is in college....

Yeah, guys have already cleared it up, Emma is in college and is going to the university, so it looks like non-States education system.
Actually, I don't remember any direct mention of the country where this story takes place. So only the author can tell. But Joshy's point still stands: it's better to clarify such things before submitting the game to avoid any ambiguity. Cause even we're a slightly confused. Maybe a fictional country that resembles a mixture of the States and Europe.