VN Ren'Py Hillside [v0.16.1] [DarkBlue]

[filosoff89]

maybe he is in prison due what he did to suzi.

Are you implying sexual violence? That would be too much.

 

[cooldevo]

This brings us back to a set of questions: where is he, is he alive, what kind of relationship did they have, why did he leave. Aunt Lucy should know. But even if she tells us, it certainly won't be now. Another mystery.

There are inferences made by Charlotte, Lucy, and Suzi about the dad and why he's not there. Without contradictory information, that's all that can be looked at.

Young kids, even at 2, can certainly remember things. If something was particularly scarring or traumatic, even by a parent, they certainly can and do. Do they remember all the details? That varies a lot by person, it could be just be impressions or singular moments. But even in the real world teens/adults can in fact remember traumatic events, such as those inflicted by a parent.

My Dad, in his mid-60's, can remember in very vivid detail the things his step-mom did to him and his brothers, from the ages of 4/5 through to 16 when he left the house. So yeah, memory can be a very fickle thing for traumas.

 

[filosoff89]

Not really no, I don't see them having different dads.. neither is it implied anywhere in the story.

Suzi goes out of her way to hide the blackmail by any means. Only her best friend knows. Suzi asks Charlotte for her money, and when Charlotte asks what it's needed for, Suzi gets upset and refuses to answer.

Emma was being actively stalked, and Charlotte knew about it but Emma did not. On the other hand Charlotte did not know about the texting because Emma didn't tell Charlotte about it. Emma was overprotected and sheltered, and even Charlotte realizes it later in the current story.

Suzi is a very different personality type than Emma, so yeah they would be handled very differently by parents. Can you actually imagine Charlotte trying to deal with Suzi the way she deals with Emma?

Well yeah My child asks me for a large sum of money, but does not tell me why. That's not a reason to worry at all. And yes, even the caveman solved the case in five minutes just by talking to Hannah. But Charlotte didn't take the initiative at all.

 

[Maccabbee]

There are inferences made by Charlotte, Lucy, and Suzi about the dad and why he's not there. Without contradictory information, that's all that can be looked at.

You make inferences, they make implications. Neither are necessarily accurate or received as intended.

Young kids, even at 2, can certainly remember things. If something was particularly scarring or traumatic, even by a parent, they certainly can and do. Do they remember all the details? That varies a lot by person, it could be just be impressions or singular moments. But even in the real world teens/adults can in fact remember traumatic events, such as those inflicted by a parent.

None of this seems to be relevant to this story, as I don't recall any intimations of sexual assault against anyone but Charlotte at this point. I might be wrong, but I think it would be more obvious, as none of the other content has been subtle about the violence and harm caused by it. As a parent, I am always hypersensitive to harm against children, and I didn't pick up on it here.

 

[Maccabbee]

Well yeah My child asks me for a large sum of money, but does not tell me why. That's not a reason to worry at all. And yes, even the caveman solved the case in five minutes just by talking to Hannah. But Charlotte didn't take the initiative at all.

Suzy is her child, but is not a child. She is a college-aged adult, and lives outside the home. This is an extremely wealthy family, and it wouldn't spark too much suspicion for a college student to ask their parent for money.

 

[cooldevo]

Well yeah My child asks me for a large sum of money, but does not tell me why. That's not a reason to worry at all. And yes, even the caveman solved the case in five minutes just by talking to Hannah. But Charlotte didn't take the initiative at all.

How large a sum was asked for? I don't recall a number being given out by Suzi other than to ask for access to her money.

You make inferences, they make implications. Neither are necessarily accurate or received as intended.

None of this seems to be relevant to this story, as I don't recall any intimations of sexual assault against anyone but Charlotte at this point. I might be wrong, but I think it would be more obvious, as none of the other content has been subtle about the violence and harm caused by it. As a parent, I am always hypersensitive to harm against children, and I didn't pick up on it here.

Sure, if you want to thrown the dictionary at 'inferences' versus 'implications', sure you win. The meaning is still the same. All three people that were there and lived it tell their information as much as the dev wants us to know. Whether you like it, or agree with it, is pointless as it's the only information given. Anything else is just wild speculation and trying to read between the lines of something not written.

And I never said sexual assault. Mental and physical abuses of any kind can be just as memory imprinting as sexual abuse is. So the point still stands. Suzi remembers very specific moments of her dad. Lucy remembers her step-brother. Charlotte remembers her ex-husband. Regardless of whether we like the given information is irrelevant as that's all there is.

Charlotte said he abandoned the family after Emma was born. Lucy, if I recall correctly, says roughly the same thing, and seems to detest him even more than Charlotte. Suzi has bad memories of her dad. Emma, likely parroting what Charlotte said also says her dad abandoned the family. Does the exact reason really matter? All three of them have reasonably consistent stories of him.

 

[TonyMurray]

The discrepancy. Suzi is 20 years old. Emma is 18 years old. If the father left the family when Emma was born, how can the eldest daughter remember him? At the age of two? So Dad lived with them for a while. This is confirmed by Lucy's dialogue with her older niece in a cafe.

I can't find this, what did Suzi say? Did she actually remember him specifically, or is she just talking generally?

For much of this, it's really not relevent. The father is gone, he's not coming back, the reasons for his departure are not pertinent to the story.

 

[filosoff89]

Suzy is her child, but is not a child. She is a college-aged adult, and lives outside the home. This is an extremely wealthy family, and it wouldn't spark too much suspicion for a college student to ask their parent for money.

Suzy is her child, but is not a child. She is a college-aged adult, and lives outside the home. This is an extremely wealthy family, and it wouldn't spark too much suspicion for a college student to ask their parent for money.

Depends on the amount of money. I doubt this jerk charged $10 for the photos. Again, Charlotte didn't even suspect anything, didn't even check it.

 

[Irgendwie Irgendwo]

Well yeah My child asks me for a large sum of money, but does not tell me why. That's not a reason to worry at all. And yes, even the caveman solved the case in five minutes just by talking to Hannah. But Charlotte didn't take the initiative at all.

Let me put it this way, with the caveat that I don't have children: When child #2, a wide-eyed-with-wonder clumsy kitten, gets stalked and you have a break-in into your house and you have to hire a bodyguard even though you're "afraid of men", then child #1, an independent college student who knows how to deal with stuff, asking for money doesn't reach S Tier on the priority list.

 

[Maccabbee]

Sure, if you want to thrown the dictionary at 'inferences' versus 'implications', sure you win. The meaning is still the same. All three people that were there and lived it tell their information as much as the dev wants us to know. Whether you like it, or agree with it, is pointless as it's the only information given. Anything else is just wild speculation and trying to read between the lines of something not written.

The meanings are not the same, they are literally opposites. I am not arguing your point, though I disagree with it, because all we have are what we inferred from the information given so far, which is incomplete.

And I never said sexual assault. Mental and physical abuses of any kind can be just as memory imprinting as sexual abuse is. So the point still stands. Suzi remembers very specific moments of her dad. Lucy remembers her step-brother. Charlotte remembers her ex-husband. Regardless of whether we like the given information is irrelevant as that's all there is.

I'm sorry I jumped to my inference of sexual violence, if that's not what you were intending to imply.

 

[filosoff89]

I can't find this, what did Suzi say? Did she actually remember him specifically, or is she just talking generally?

For much of this, it's really not relevent. The father is gone, he's not coming back, the reasons for his departure are not pertinent to the story.

Is he not coming back? Never say never. You are guaranteed not to return only from the grave. And Emma needs a father. That's why she's a pimp . (her mom and MС).

 

[Dessolos]

Is he not coming back? Never say never. You are guaranteed not to return only from the grave. And Emma needs a father. That's why she's a pimp . (her mom and MС).

I hope not I don't see any reason to include the father anymore than maybe talking about him in the story it isn't needed at all.

 

[cooldevo]

The meanings are not the same, they are literally opposites. I am not arguing your point, though I disagree with it, because all we have are what we inferred from the information given so far, which is incomplete.

Unless I'm completely misunderstanding your point, I don't think that's the case. All I was attempting to say was the only 'information' we have is what Lucy, Charlotte, and Suzi say. Beyond that, we have zero information and what was given indicates it was not a happy and amicable separation. With no other information to go off of, that's what we have.

Is he not coming back? Never say never. You are guaranteed not to return only from the grave. And Emma needs a father. That's why she's a matchmaker. (her mom and MС).

Based on what Lucy and Charlotte tell us about the dad, it sounds like there is a very near-zero chance of him returning, or being welcomed back.

To infer something means to derive it, by logical reasoning. Whereas to imply something means to suggest it, not outright state it.
The meanings are completely different mate.

The meaning of the statement, not the meanings of the word. The use of the word does not ruin the what was said as it can very easily be implied what the intent of it was.

 

[TonyMurray]

Is he not coming back? Never say never. You are guaranteed not to return only from the grave. And Emma needs a father. That's why she's a pimp . (her mom and MС).

What about the first bit? You said Suzi was remembering her father while at the cafe? I had a search through the scripts to see what it was, but I couldn't find anything. What was said there?

 

[cooldevo]

You mean inferred, not implied.
Someone stating something indirectly implied it.
Someone picking up on the implication inferred what they meant.

If it wasn't intentionally worded that way, I'd agree with you.

 

[Maviarab]

Jesus H Christ take it somehwere else. I'd ask wtf happened to this thread but given 2 of the culprits are on the list...I can't say I'm exactly surprised.

Lucy best girl.

 

[Penfold Mole]

Their father left when Emma was born. He (according to Charlotte) didn't want to be part of their family, he never wanted any of them.

When Emma was born, Suzi was two years old. 20-18. Mathematics. First year of school.))

I remember stuff from before I was 2 years old. I remember particularly brightly how I electrocuted myself before I was 2.

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There are a couple of more events I remember from when I was between 2 and 3 years old and I definitely remember all my family members.

So yes, I do think that it's plausible that a girl remembers her dad from when she was 2 years old and likely something as traumatic as her dad leaving them.

 

[Maccabbee]

Lucy best girl.

This is the first thing that you've said that I can straight up agree with.

 

[filosoff89]

What about the first bit? You said Suzi was remembering her father while at the cafe? I had a search through the scripts to see what it was, but I couldn't find anything. What was said there?

Lucy said that Suzi's short temper was inherited from her father. Suzi replied that she hated that asshole. You can't hate someone you don't know and haven't seen in the last 18 years.

 

[Dessolos]

You can't hate someone you don't know and haven't seen in the last 18 years.

I disagree only on the context of who it is Suzi hates. I think you can 100% hate a father you never really met or got to know because he left. Especially if she never questions anything that she has been told to see what the story is on the other side of the coin.