VN Ren'Py Hillside [v0.16.1] [DarkBlue]

[LWtbo]

To be honest Zak is easy to explain he's a teen with an over inflated ego akin to a god complex and as seen with David a temper.
It wouldn't matter if he had been planning for years to be honest.
Somebody he believes is so far below him that she should be gratefull and groveling that he has decided to grace her with his presence.
Not to mention he is willing to lower himsel to actually allow her to have sex with him.
And she has the nerve the audacity to basically turn him down.
We are lucky his face didn't turn red and steam didn't come out of his ears.
This nobody this insignificant girl as much as said no to him.
Thats probably never happened to him in his entire life so for me at least him blowing a gasket and giving up on his plan.
By letting slip in his frustrated rage make sence the only thing on his mind at the time was to hurt the liitle nobody that had just pricked hi ego.
at least that my opinion.
As for Carter thats a little trickyer for a start I don't think David is in jail atleast not yet if at all.

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At least that my theory I could and probably am wrong mind you.

 

[RoadWulf]

Which one? The scream movie like killing of the rapist manwhore or the fact MC was not killed in a seedy alley along with his girls?



Split second decisions about a guy wielding a knife who just promissed to kill you and your girls.
What informed consent? To let go and get gutted? The fact MC can think about his actions does not mean
he is in control. Letting go would mean releasing control to someone who promissed not only to kill him,
but also his girls. He cannot let go until the threat is gone.
That threat is never gone until MC wins the struggle.
Watch any boxing/wrestling/MMa fight. You tap out or you get knocked out/saved by the refferee.
This is MMa -street brawl where you are unarmed and a guy with a knife does not tap out:
- you either lose consciousness and he kills you or you get pummelled to the dirt - watch him kill you.
That under the eyes of the cheering crowd.

Except, he wasn't armed anymore. The MC broke his arm and made him drop the knife. So your point is moot. The assailant was disabled and under control. Killing him was a choice.

 

[SteelyDan14]

G0T is 8 seasons long .. this game ends in literally couple dozen minuts and you are the one to compare them and complain .. the entitlement of some a y all is infuriating for a second, then is childish at best.


Very immediate threat as both men refused to use guns, meaning they only pretended to have any.
The fight is about a believable real threat and a weappon wielding assassin who declares to kill
everyone in there. Then it becomes unarmed struggle with someone still struggling, never
giving up, at this point the threat is still real, the struggle is ongoing, nobody given up, no tap outs.

In any ring situation, MMA would end in fainted/brain injury/knock out/seisure.
In a boxing match it would end in a knockout or broken jaw/broken ribbs.
Those are all legit .. this is what happends when immovable object, MC, the victim fighting back
meets the unstoppable force, the murderer who keeps coming. There is no half way.
Keep dreaming of your superman batman fantasy where you can actually subdue armed assailants.

The risks in a street brawl with no safety net of a refferee and medical staff is where you draw short
your delusions of fairness in a very much unfair situation. Unfair to the victim.
Stop gratifying the murderer already.

You know... I gave you props on what you said earlier, and then I gave you my opinion. At no point did I resort to trying to make you look stupid. Adults have conversations and discussions; this is just a game and is not real life. We were debating ideas not reality.

Instead, you resorted to what is essentially verbal bullying. Just because you talk tough and you make fun of others, does not make you right. It means, right or wrong, you have an opinion. I can disagree with you and still respect your opinion and at the same time, I can treat you with some common courtesy. You should learn to do the same.

 

[LWtbo]

Except, he wasn't armed anymore. The MC broke his arm and made him drop the knife. So your point is moot. The assailant was disabled and under control. Killing him was a choice.

Not to in any way contradict all of your post as I agree with most of it.
However you may want to revise the Broken arm part.
I would say that the MC only hurt Carter's arm enough to force him to drop the knife.
He didn't actually break it although I'm no medical expert.
But it looks like from the angle he might of broken the arm.

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That the assailant would not of been able to use it in the way that he do's to help try and break the choke hold.

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Just sayin

 

[G27111]

one thing i definitely agree with is after all these episodes emma and the people in her "college" definitely are in high school, id say their ages are 16ish at best. In these games i can usually look at the "step daughter" as it would be and think that it could go a certain way with her, with this it almost creeps me out the fact that she is a LI and that cool if thats what you want but for me she acts so young and is so naive that it would just feel wrong in every way. I can only look at her like a daughter.

The way Zac was just forcing himself on her and then gets mad and spills all the shit he wanted to do at the end shows his maturity, his plan and everything was immature and the way he went about it was too. If it was just Emma who seemed younger i could look past it, because of how sheltered she is, famous mum so never really went out with friends, always has to have her mum, sister or aunt around her wherever she went.. that kind of lifestyle 100% shelters them. Storywise it makes sense why she is sheltered too, her mum went through a lot of shit.

I get where some people are annoyed from this update, certain stuff did happen very quickly, a couple of things happened which was out of character in a way. Im just someone that can look past stuff if i like it though, Nothing is perfect, there will always be flaws.. People bring up GOT which is arguably the best series ever and everyone i knew that watched it ended up disappointed in the end.. End of the day its for entertainment, going over the same situation over and over again is just pointless. For me, id rather there be hiccups on the way but have a great ending, if certain things need to happen a certain way to get to that ending i will look past it.. what gets me is when the ending ruins the rest, something can be perfect 99% of the way but if it ends bad it can ruin it all.

 

[SteelyDan14]

one thing i definitely agree with is after all these episodes emma and the people in her "college" definitely are in high school, id say their ages are 16ish at best. In these games i can usually look at the "step daughter" as it would be and think that it could go a certain way with her, with this it almost creeps me out the fact that she is a LI and that cool if thats what you want but for me she acts so young and is so naive that it would just feel wrong in every way. I can only look at her like a daughter.

Yeah, I am not a fan of Emma and agree with you on all those points for her... but can she really be a LI? Seriously... I'm not questioning, just asking. While my MC has never pursued her, is seems more like she wants the MC to be her father. She never expressed any other interests in my playthroughs...

 

[Bendover885]

Yeah, I am not a fan of Emma and agree with you on all those points for her... but can she really be a LI? Seriously... I'm not questioning, just asking. While my MC has never pursued her, is seems more like she wants the MC to be her father. She never expressed any other interests in my playthroughs...

To my knowledge, Dev has said the plan was to have this father-daughter dynamic, then have it morph over time into a romantic relationship.

I'm like you, I don't see Emma in a sexual way. Having her as the surrogate daughter works fine for me. It would make a lot of sense to have her younger (14-16), remove her as an LI, and give that path to Kaylah.

 

[G27111]

Yeah, I am not a fan of Emma and agree with you on all those points for her... but can she really be a LI? Seriously... I'm not questioning, just asking. While my MC has never pursued her, is seems more like she wants the MC to be her father. She never expressed any other interests in my playthroughs...

I like Emma, but there was times where i was like urghhh, especially when she was told she cant go on her date, it was understandable because she is clueless to whats happening and she is used to get her own way but it was still just immature. I personally dont know how anyone can see her as a LI right now, i think now she has seen what zac is like and she was saved by the mc it might change the way she thinks about him which is where her feelings might change. Im going to stop that shit straight away though. Before this update i didnt see any way she would change how she views the mc but after this one i think thats the only way so far.

 

[G27111]

To my knowledge, Dev has said the plan was to have this father-daughter dynamic, then have it morph over time into a romantic relationship.

I'm like you, I don't see Emma in a sexual way. Having her as the surrogate daughter works fine for me. It would make a lot of sense to have her younger (14-16), remove her as an LI, and give that path to Kaylah.

see this, idk why games dont do this sometimes. we dont need to have everyone as a LI. i played a game ages ago where the MC had a legit daughter, no LI or anything and she was way younger and i loved it, it was nice just to treat her like a normal daughter, it was abandoned though early on so never got to really get into it. When i see people holding out for Emma it just confuses me and i just cant wrap my head around it

 

[LWtbo]

It's always been Charlotte for me from the start but I really did hate disapointing Lucy.
I'm not remotely interested in a relationship with the either Daughter Susie's friend or the other Model for that matter.
Its just a shame Charlotte can't learn to share with her sister Lucy

 

[Bendover885]

see this, idk why games dont do this sometimes. we dont need to have everyone as a LI. i played a game ages ago where the MC had a legit daughter, no LI or anything and she was way younger and i loved it, it was nice just to treat her like a normal daughter, it was abandoned though early on so never got to really get into it. When i see people holding out for Emma it just confuses me and i just cant wrap my head around it

I could be misinterpreting what the Dev has said, but that's how I remember it.

I agree that not everyone needs to be an LI. I don't see the appeal of a father-daughter (parent-child) relationship that devolves into a sexual relationship. Having looked at clinical research, that is a big bag of trauma for many, even in cases where the 'partners' are not blood related, many of which are nonconsensual.

As for storytelling, there's a lot of character building that can be done with family. Not every dad has to die so that the son can star in his own adult VN. That's lazy, to me.

 

[operamini]

one thing i definitely agree with is after all these episodes emma and the people in her "college" definitely are in high school, id say their ages are 16ish at best. In these games i can usually look at the "step daughter" as it would be and think that it could go a certain way with her, with this it almost creeps me out the fact that she is a LI and that cool if thats what you want but for me she acts so young and is so naive that it would just feel wrong in every way. I can only look at her like a daughter.

The way Zac was just forcing himself on her and then gets mad and spills all the shit he wanted to do at the end shows his maturity, his plan and everything was immature and the way he went about it was too. If it was just Emma who seemed younger i could look past it, because of how sheltered she is, famous mum so never really went out with friends, always has to have her mum, sister or aunt around her wherever she went.. that kind of lifestyle 100% shelters them. Storywise it makes sense why she is sheltered too, her mum went through a lot of shit.

I get where some people are annoyed from this update, certain stuff did happen very quickly, a couple of things happened which was out of character in a way. Im just someone that can look past stuff if i like it though, Nothing is perfect, there will always be flaws.. People bring up GOT which is arguably the best series ever and everyone i knew that watched it ended up disappointed in the end.. End of the day its for entertainment, going over the same situation over and over again is just pointless. For me, id rather there be hiccups on the way but have a great ending, if certain things need to happen a certain way to get to that ending i will look past it.. what gets me is when the ending ruins the rest, something can be perfect 99% of the way but if it ends bad it can ruin it all.

agree 100%, i also can only see Emma as a daughter that needs love and a good father figure, not at all a LI, Suzy is old and "mature" enough (even though she is a little brat) that i can see that path even though there is only 1 canon path imo.
I think others will agree with me that in general the update was quite good, its just that we are invested in the story so we want to see it be as bullet proof as possible, so we argue over the details.
In my not so humble opinion the dev needs/ would benefit from having 1 or two people to bounce ideas out of, because most of the issues with this update aren't due to general "what happened" but more about the specifics of how it happened,

 

[Derpyshanks]

I'm Pro Emma LI. If only for the drama that would ensue with her mom and aunt.

She was in love with the biggest douche in Hillside. Once he was out of the picture Emma's next LI by default would be MC.

And beyond that, you can tell the story was/is gearing Emma's feelings for MC from friend/father to lover from the start.

 

[jaw1986baby]

HillsideVN
I have finally caught up to the current release. I was around the thread but I had not played the game for a few updates because the only female I wanted by appearance was Hannah and I am certain I read she was not a main LI.

I tend to not like busty women, so I was initially leaning towards Lucy. She is a very fun character and written in a way that makes her very sympathetic always being in the shadow of Charlotte and wanting love but only ever getting the wrong ones. So I was going to do a Lucy run but I had previously played the catch 'em all style and I think Kayla stuff blocked off the Lucy route. So this weekend I did a play through from the start.


My other interest, in spite of her "assets", was dear Emma. And on playing through from the start I remembered how much time we spend in story with her so I made it a "refuse anyone not Emma" route. And OMG by the end of the current .11 I am totally hooked. I don't care that she is way, way too endowed for me normally. You crafted her character and the circumstances around her so well I just can't .... LIKE CAN'T be with anyone else in this game. I am not trying to imply it was perfect, she at times behaves in odd ways, and the over-arching villainy of the town plot is a bit much at times. Also the fact that they are so very clearly not speaking American English in what appears to be fake-Hollywood. But none of that is enough to detract from the complete package thus far. So great job! Cannot wait for more dear, sweet Emma.




PEACE

 

[RedGlow]

Zak is awesome, Zak loves me, Zak is this, Zak is that. Anyone who says otherwise is dead for me. I can even disown my own mom for Zak!
That Emma girl was super annoying at this update.
Anyway, other than that, it was a perfect update. 9/10 easily. I sense that sexual and some drama is on its way with the next updates.

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[BillyPlums]

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The detective spoke some gibberish about why he attacked Zak, messed with Emma and was going to kill the MC and Charlotte, but it didn't make any real sense to me.

To me, Emma is about 12 or 13 years old, with a mental maturity of around 10, mostly because of the family's protection of her. With the MC being around 40, I don't see any romantic relationship, especially if we have to wait until she is 18 for legal reasons. I don't know if the dev has given his/her thoughts on the ages of the characters, but Emma can't be of any sort of legal age, based on her thoughts, speech and actions. But that's just my opinion, of course.
The other daughter, seems to me to be around 16.
Since I am trying to play this as a 'professional bodyguard', I rejected all thoughts of my employer, Charlotte, and so was left with the default choice of Lucy. I kind of like her emotional resonses, especially

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I'm looking forward to the next update (whenever it is), and will probably do a Charlotte run to see what changes, if anything.

 

[Jarulf]

I've been following the game since the beginning and I was quickly drawn to Emma. While brunettes and small breasts usually catch my initial interest more easily, she's just so cute. I was definitely trying to focus on her path. But the way she is written and the dynamic with the MC, it just felt wrong. This is a child, not a young woman.
And I do play the occasional game with loli content, but Hillside is probably a little too realistic (in some ways at least) that it makes me a little uncomfortable pursuing something with her.

So now I'm all for marrying Charlie and getting an adoring daughter in the bargain. And one who tolerates me, barely

 

[NewTricks]

Zak is awesome, Zak loves me, Zak is this, Zak is that. Anyone who says otherwise is dead for me. I can even disown my own mom for Zak!
That Emma girl was super annoying at this update.
Anyway, other than that, it was a perfect update. 9/10 easily. I sense that sexual and some drama is on its way with the next updates.

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I will do my best to explain. Once upon a time, Detective Carter was in love with a model named Emma. That "she would never look at me that way so I won't even try" kind of love that makes you sick. In his case, sick in the head. Unfortunately, he was already under the thumb of the guy who was running her like a whore and had to follow his orders. Jason, I think. Even despite all that, he put her on a pedestal.

Then the guy who was protecting her got fired and left and her friend Charlotte convinced her to go to the police to report that Jason had killed another model, signing Emma's death warrant because the Hillside PD works for the studios. So Carter had to kill Emma personally. Then to twist the knife, he had to tell her parents. Then something in him broke. He started acting irrationally. Started being a loose cannon. He became obsessed with revenge. But against who? He couldn't do anything against Jason because that guy owns him. So he fixated on MC and Charlotte. It was their fault he had to kill Emma. They were the ones who would pay.

So the entire game was kicked off by his plan. Get MC and Charlotte together, make them close, whip up reasons for him to always be at the house. Hope he would fall in love with Charlotte and bond with Emma. So when the time came, he could take them away from him and he would know his pain. So he was the one who hired the photographer, but the idiot went off script and blackmailed Suzi. Then David came into the police station to blow the whistle on whatever collusion he had going with Zac. So what few marbles he had started rolling away as his needlessly elaborate revenge plan unraveled and he said "Fuck it. Murder it is."

I might be wrong about some of this, but it is all that I can gather and extrapolate from his psychotic ramblings.

 

[J.R.]

The detective spoke some gibberish about why he attacked Zak, messed with Emma and was going to kill the MC and Charlotte, but it didn't make any real sense to me.

To me, Emma is about 12 or 13 years old, with a mental maturity of around 10, mostly because of the family's protection of her. With the MC being around 40, I don't see any romantic relationship, especially if we have to wait until she is 18 for legal reasons. I don't know if the dev has given his/her thoughts on the ages of the characters, but Emma can't be of any sort of legal age, based on her thoughts, speech and actions. But that's just my opinion, of course.
The other daughter, seems to me to be around 16.
Since I am trying to play this as a 'professional bodyguard', I rejected all thoughts of my employer, Charlotte, and so was left with the default choice of Lucy. I kind of like her emotional resonses, especially

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I'm looking forward to the next update (whenever it is), and will probably do a Charlotte run to see what changes, if anything.

The assumption of the girls age seems a bit too low for me. Suzi is definitely older than 18, more like 19-20. With Emma it' s difficult, I estimate her between 15-17. But under 14 doesn't fit at all in terms of appearance. And as often said, her behavior may be childish. But who has ever seen girls - even way over 18 - who meet their teen idol - oh dear...

I've been following the game since the beginning and I was quickly drawn to Emma. While brunettes and small breasts usually catch my initial interest more easily, she's just so cute. I was definitely trying to focus on her path. But the way she is written and the dynamic with the MC, it just felt wrong. This is a child, not a young woman.
And I do play the occasional game with loli content, but Hillside is probably a little too realistic (in some ways at least) that it makes me a little uncomfortable pursuing something with her.

So now I'm all for marrying Charlie and getting an adoring daughter in the bargain. And one who tolerates me, barely

I agree, for now I don't see her as a LI with sexual content either. But let's see what the dev has planned for that.

And actually changing Emmas mind wouldn't be that difficult - you only have to use the "magic ointment":


and voilà:

 

[Jarulf]

And actually changing Emmas mind wouldn't be that difficult - you only have to use the "magic ointment":

Ha, I'd forgotten about that.
But you're right, lets see what DB has in store for us. But she'll have to mature quite a bit, fast, before I see her as a LI.