Ren'Py Him [v0.3.3 Fix] [Kabuki]

[storm1105]

It doesn't change the fact that she's a waitress at a brothel, where the main business is sex, not at an inn while offering services on the side.

And again why not? That's the part I'm hung up on why do you even care if she never even had sex? If someone was hired jus t to clean the place would you treat them the same as a literal prostitute

That's a stretch. The fact of tis that she did get paid to fuck the MC if he accepts the guy's offer. So she was willing and able to do the job.

Again why does that matter though if she changed her mind and never went through on. I'm just having trouble seeing why anyone should care. And no it's not, if you have a teaching degree but never taught a single class it you're not a teacher regardless of whether or not you tutored someone once.



I just really really really really don't get why any of that stuff matters if she only had sex with the mc. The fact that she was ok with the idea of prostitution or the fact that she work there serving drinks doesn't matter to me and I don't really see why it would matter to anyone else. It's not like she got an std just for thinking about it. Nothing really matters unless she fucked other dudes, until that happens she's just a waitress.

 

[Quetzzz]

And no it's not, if you have a teaching degree but never taught a single class it you're not a teacher regardless of whether or not you tutored someone once.

Going by your logic, a whore isn't a whore unless she had group sex. You need to work on your analogies.
If someone with a teaching degree gets paid for tutoring someone, then that person has done teaching.

So someone applies at a callcenter, gets hired and told that she needs to take calls and answer emails. There aren't many calls, so her days are spent answering mail. But, after she receives her first call, she goes to her boss and says she won't answer anyone's call anymore except for that one customer.

I just really really really really don't get why any of that stuff matters if she only had sex with the mc.

Because people are responsible for the choices they make, and all of us have different opinions about that. I wouldn't see someone with an active OnlyFans account as a long-term dating prospect, even if she has 0 subscribers. Other people won't care about that at all or could even think it makes her more interesting.

What I don't get is why you're so invested in this. You're even arguing against me while I only offered a divergent point of view. I have no stake in this.

 

[storm1105]

Going by your logic, a whore isn't a whore unless she had group sex. You need to work on your analogies.
If someone with a teaching degree gets paid for tutoring someone, then that person has done teaching.

So someone applies at a callcenter, gets hired and told that she needs to take calls and answer emails. There aren't many calls, so her days are spent answering mail. But, after she receives her first call, she goes to her boss and says she won't answer anyone's call anymore except for that one customer.

A whore isn't a whore unless she's had multiple clients. If she's never had sex with anyone before she's not a whore. It really doesn't matter to me whether she's ok with the concept of being a whore or not.

You do realize that there are plenty of jobs were you can refuse service right? No idea why you decided to pigeon hole it into a call center analogy when there are other jobs that are closer. I mean jobs like barbers, hair dresser, taxi drivers, tutors, landscaper, house keeper, gardner mechanic ect can all choose their clientele. They're bosses do not care as long as they draw in money some how.

A call center is about management and communication. It's completely different from a sort of service based job. Infact I'm pretty sure in real life prostitutes can and do refuse certain clients

Because people are responsible for the choices they make, and all of us have different opinions about that. I wouldn't see someone with an active OnlyFans account as a long-term dating prospect, even if she has 0 subscribers.

Again why would you care, espically if she has zero subscribers. If she has zero subscribers that means nobody's even seen her stuff on there in the first place. If she has stuff posted on there again why should you care that some random dudes she's never been in the same room with jerked off to her?

What I don't get is why you're so invested in this. You're even arguing against me while I only offered a divergent point of view. I have no stake in this.

Because literally nothing you've said has made any sense to me. Not your point about the only fans, not you being against her simply just being help in a brothel, none of it. At this point it really feels more like a mental aversion rather than a logical one. From a logical perspective I just can't see why it would matter or why anyone should care if she's never even fucked anyone before.

 

[Quetzzz]

A whore isn't a whore unless she's had multiple clients. If she's never had sex with anyone before she's not a whore. It really doesn't matter to me whether she's ok with the concept of being a whore or not.

You do realize that there are plenty of jobs were you can refuse service right? No idea why you decided to pigeon hole it into a call center analogy when there are other jobs that are closer. I mean jobs like barbers, hair dresser, taxi drivers, tutors, landscaper, house keeper, gardner mechanic ect can all choose their clientele. They're bosses do not care as long as they draw in money some how.

A call center is about management and communication. It's completely different from a sort of service based job. Infact I'm pretty sure in real life prostitutes can and do refuse certain clients

Right... And how does your own analogy of teaching match up to these requirements?
The fact is that she did get paid to fuck the MC, making her a prostitute.

Because literally nothing you've said has made any sense to me. Not your point about the only fans, not you being against her simply just being help in a brothel, none of it. At this point it really feels more like a mental aversion rather than a logical one. From a logical perspective I just can't see why it would matter or why anyone should care if she's never even fucked anyone before.

You're downplaying her role in the brothel for some reason. She isn't just help or a waitress; she's working at a brothel to service men. She specifically said that other customers were chased away by the older men who treat her as a granddaughter.
What does logic have to do with opinions or preferences? Either you like something or you don't.

If you don't care about her history or motivation, great for you! Others are free to disagree.

 

[storm1105]

Right... And how does your own analogy of teaching match up to these requirements?
The fact is that she did get paid to fuck the MC, making her a prostitute.

My analogy on teaching was based around the fact that they're trained in that particular job but have never actually done the job their trained to do and instead went into a different field. You can really swap it with any job really, I only said teacher because my parents used to be teachers but have retired so that was one of the first jobs to pop into my head.


You can change it to a therapist or an engineer. If you're a therapist but have never had any clients or experience outside of training are you a therapist or are you just some one with a degree? If you're their first client you can't really say that their experience or professional either until their work with you is done.

You're downplaying her role in the brothel for some reason

No I'm not, she works there but has never had any clients, falls in love with the mc and decides she's going to be exlusive to him but still work at the brothel as a waitress. Like I've said multiple times if she's not actually having sex with clients why does it matter?

What does logic have to do with opinions or preferences? Either you like something or you don't.

Because literally me entire question is that I don't understand the logic in it. I said that from the start. If you simply aren't attracted to her that's different. I just don't possibly see why you would care about the fact she got hired at the brothel if she doesn't even see any clients? It's just weird to get hung up on and like I said it's just seems like some sort of mental aversion

 

[Quetzzz]

I just don't possibly see why you would care about the fact she got hired at the brothel if she doesn't even see any clients?

And other people will wonder why you wouldn't care about that.
Have you ever asked your parents why they became teachers and what inspired them? Did their motivations tell you anything about their character, personality, or the way they viewed life and the world around them?
What people do, or try to do, has meaning. That she wasn't successful at being a prostitute doesn't change that she was working at a brothel and willing to sleep with men for money.
And again, she slept with the MC for money, proving she is a prostitute. She also made clear that if it wasn't for the "grandpas," she would've had her first customer already. She didn't start working at a brothel to never fuck for money. Just as teachers don't apply at a school to never teach a class.

 

[storm1105]

And other people will wonder why you wouldn't care about that.
Have you ever asked your parents why they became teachers and what inspired them? Did their motivations tell you anything about their character, personality, or the way they viewed life and the world around them?
What people do, or try to do, has meaning. That she wasn't successful at being a prostitute doesn't change that she was working at a brothel and willing to sleep with men for money.
And again, she slept with the MC for money, proving she is a prostitute. She also made clear that if it wasn't for the "grandpas," she would've had her first customer already. She didn't start working at a brothel to never fuck for money. Just as teachers don't apply at a school to never teach a class.

Frankly I don't really care about someone's motivations for why they have a job. I just assume they have it because there interested in it or they just need the money. For a lot of people a job is simply just a job. I do know that being a teacher wasn't even my mom's first choice as a career. She wanted to be a reporter, but chickened out and changed her major.


I don't really care about her motivations for being a prostitute unless they have some sort of sob story that says they were forced into it. People change their minds all the time so someone being "willing to do something" once upon a time doesn't matter to me in the slightest. Only whether or not they've actually done it. It would be a different story if she was willing to do prostitution while she was dating me but she's not and no longer wants to do prostitution without ever having any clients. Caring about the fact she was willing to do something but changed her mind just seems stupid to me. If she kept trying to get clients after the mc then that's different. Imo she's not a prostutite until she actually has clientele. Right now she's just the mc's fuckbuddy/girlfriend.

 

[Quetzzz]

Frankly I don't really care about someone's motivations for why they have a job.

Yeah... We know. And I've pointed out that other people do...

You stating that she's not a prostitute doesn't mean anything when you're ignoring the main arguments for why she is one in many people's eyes (even her own):
1) She works at a brothel and was willing to have sex for money
2) She would've had customers if it weren't for the grandpas chasing the men off
3) She accepted money for sex at least once.

You can look for logic and reason all you want, but you won't find it when you keep ignoring facts. It's great that you like her, and it's fine if others don't.

 

[storm1105]

You stating that she's not a prostitute doesn't mean anything when you're ignoring the main arguments for why she is one in many people's eyes (even her own):
1) She works at a brothel and was willing to have sex for money

And your ignoring why I'''m saying that doesn't matter. She hasn't actually done anything. Who cares if she said one thing then changed her mind. Getting hung up on her thin.


She is not actively doing brothel work, that's the entire point. Most people see a difference in actually doing prostitution and just working there. Just like most people see a difference in having an active only fans account and having an inactive account that nobody ever saw

2) She would've had customers if it weren't for the grandpas chasing the men off

Why do you care? That's what I keep asking. That is simply jsut not a good reason or logical to lump her with a practicing prostitute. It doesn't matter if she would have had customers. Please explain this point in particular this is the main thing I can't get past

3) She accepted money for sex at least once.

Yeah and again you can say it's prostitution and again you can say it doesn't really matter because she's hasn't been used by anyone in the first place. That's the main thing people actually care about.



You can like her or don't like her I don't really care. I just don't get how "she would have had customers but they ran away before anything happened" or "she was ok with potentially having customers" really matters like at all. I can not fathom why someone would care. I'm not ignoring the facts I just don't see the "facts" as a problem. Nothing of what you just listed bothers me whatsoever.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

Why do you care? That's what I keep asking. That is simply jsut not a good reason or logical to lump her with a practicing prostitute. It doesn't matter if she would have had customers. Please explain this point in particular this is the main thing I can't get past.

If you follow her route, another guy pays her to have sex with the MC, which makes her a whore from the very moment she accepts that money. The number of clients doesn't matter; what makes her a whore is accepting sex for money. The fact that the client is the MC doesn't make her any less of a whore.

Yeah and again you can say it's prostitution and again you can say it doesn't really matter because she's hasn't been used by anyone in the first place. That's the main thing people actually care about.

For me, the relevant point is that she got paid for sex. Whether she'd done it before or not doesn't change that fact.

 

[AVNplayer69]

what makes her a whore is accepting sex for money. The fact that the client is the MC doesn't make her any less of a whore.

Yeah She's our whore. Nobody else's.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

Yeah She's our whore. Nobody else's.

Okay, I guess it's fine. Everyone has their own tastes, and the game gives us the option to ignore her or stick with her, so I guess everyone's happy.

 

[storm1105]

If you follow her route, another guy pays her to have sex with the MC, which makes her a whore from the very moment she accepts that money. The number of clients doesn't matter; what makes her a whore is accepting sex for money. The fact that the client is the MC doesn't make her any less of a whore.



For me, the relevant point is that she got paid for sex. Whether she'd done it before or not doesn't change that fact.

And like I said until multiple people pay her for sex she's not a whore she's just the mc's fuck buddy. Her having sex with other men is the only thing that actually matters. Your hung up on her accepting money is weird

 

[YogSothoth1982]

And like I said until multiple people pay her for sex she's not a whore she's just the mc's fuck buddy. Her having sex with other men is the only thing that actually matters. Your hung up on her accepting money is weird

If, before meeting the MC, she had been paid by another guy to have sex with him just once, would she be a prostitute or not? In my opinion, from the moment she accepts money for sex, she's a prostitute.

Anyway, this discussion is pointless. I'm not going to change my mind, and I assume you won't either. And neither of us is going to agree with the other's reasoning, so I don't see the point in continuing this argument.

 

[storm1105]

she had been paid by another guy to have sex with him just once, would she be a prostitute or not?

Yes because by then she's had more than once customer. If she only ever had sex with one guy and wasnt trying to have sex with the mc then no she wouldn't be. and I was never trying to change your mind. I was trying to understand the logic behind what you were saying and then I learned there is none and it's compeltely irrational.

 

[Quetzzz]

Yes because by then she's had more than once customer. If she only ever had sex with one guy and wasnt trying to have sex with the mc then no she wouldn't be. and I was never trying to change your mind. I was trying to understand the logic behind what you were saying and then I learned there is none and it's compeltely irrational.

No. You're asking for logic and reasons, and when people explain their reasoning, you reject it because it's not how you feel about it and call it irrational.
You're not setting out to understand anything; otherwise, you'd question why they think that way instead of flat out rejecting their opinion in favor of yours.
And, certainly, keep having your opinion. It's no skin off anyone's nose, but don't act like you are somehow in possession of undeniable truth and everyone else's opinion is wrong.

 

[YogSothoth1982]

Yes because by then she's had more than once customer. If she only ever had sex with one guy and wasnt trying to have sex with the mc then no she wouldn't be. and I was never trying to change your mind. I was trying to understand the logic behind what you were saying and then I learned there is none and it's compeltely irrational.

In my opinion, she's a prostitute from the moment she charges for sex. What I don't find rational is having to wait for the second client to consider her one.

 

[storm1105]

No. You're asking for logic and reasons, and when people explain their reasoning, you reject it because it's not how you feel about it and call it irrational.

No I reject it because their reasoning isn't rational. Like your reasoning about how she was was willing to have customers regardless of whether or not she actually had any doesn't make any sense to me.


If you don't like someone that's your opinion. I don't really care and she's far from my favorite. But there's no logic reason to consider her a prostitute if she never had clients, regardless of whether or not she wanted to. Going based on motivation instead of actual actions isn't logical as motivations tend to change.

In my opinion, she's a prostitute from the moment she charges for sex. What I don't find rational is having to wait for the second client to consider her one.

Because they didn't have any actual experience. Like I said before it's the same as any job until you actually do the work you're not a member of that profession regardless of whether or not you've been hired. She's not a prostitute once she's had more than one client she's a prostitute when she's finished with her first client and continues to seek out more. If she had sex once and then decided to be come exclusive that's not prostitution that's her quitting and the sex from before becomes just sex.

 

[mtuytj]

If she had sex once and then decided to be come exclusive that's not prostitution that's her quitting and the sex from before becomes just sex.

You might be mentally handicapped. It's still prostitution. There are plenty of office workers who essentially do no work, but their job title remains the same. If she quits, she was still a prostitute at some point. You can't rewrite what happened.

If my friend got hired as, let's say, IT support. I ask him what his job is during his training period, he wouldn't say "oh I'm unemployed", he'd say what his job is.

You can't just say after the fact that something doesn't count because you don't want it to anymore.

If it's not a dealbreaker for you, that's fine, but the literal definition of prostitution is exchanging payment for sexual acts. Your entire logic is retarded "if YOU'RE the one who pays her for sex and then she quits she's not a prostitute because YOU don't count" you still paid, and she still engaged in prostitution with you. Just because you're ok with it doesn't change the literal definition.

I don't mind her as an LI btw, just your logic is shit. It's ok to feel a certain way but don't create some bullshit and try to say it's logic when it isn't.

 

[storm1105]

If my friend got hired as, let's say, IT support. I ask him what his job is during his training period, he wouldn't say "oh I'm unemployed", he'd say what his job is.

Their job would be IT in training. Their job wouldn't be an IT. You might not be aware of this but there is an actual difference between being in training and being practicing. You wouldn't call someone a doctor just because they're in medical school. And you wouldn't call someone an Air traffic controller if their still in the academy. If a teacher has never had any students their not a teacher

There are plenty of office workers who essentially do no work,

What officer worker gets hired and does no tasks? At the very least their still hired to show up. Most office jobs are passive jobs that don't require actual clients and is just management.

. If she quits, she was still a prostitute at some point.

Not without getting any clients. It's like calling someone a landscaper who has literally never done any landscaping just because they decide to set up a failed business and they quit