Ren'Py Him [v0.4.0] [Kabuki]

[storm1105]

Okay, I don't buy it. A guy paid her for sex, she accepted, she's a prostitute. There doesn't need to be a contract involved, nor does she need to actively seek new clients. Doing it once makes her one. That's how I see it, and I suppose others see it the same way. Now, you can do all the reasoning and mental exercises you want, but the truth is, no matter what you say or how you try to justify it, she'll still be a prostitute.

And for me, the discussion ends here; I don't think it makes sense to continue.

And the truth is no matter how much yu try to say shes a prostutite until she's out sleeping with other men she's not. It's not mental gymnastics that's just common sense.


Another question is why her choosing to have sex with the mc for money is an issue if she never had sex with anyne else before. Why is that a problem?

 

[YogSothoth1982]

And the truth is no matter how much yu try to say shes a prostutite until she's out sleeping with other men she's not. It's not mental gymnastics that's just common sense.


Another question is why her choosing to have sex with the mc for money is an issue if she never had sex with anyne else before. Why is that a problem?

You don't see a problem, I do. I think your logic makes no sense, you think it does. At this point, if you don't like my reasoning, well, I couldn't care less. I really have nothing more to say.

 

[storm1105]

You don't see a problem, I do. I think your logic makes no sense, you think it does. At this point, if you don't like my reasoning, well, I couldn't care less. I really have nothing more to say.

Mostly the main thing that doesn't make sense to me is not what you said it was Quetzzz thing about the thing about potential client being chased off. I just can not see why that would matter at all if nothing actually happened. And that's what started this conversation, why would you consider her a prostitute before she's slept with anyone?

 

[Quetzzz]

Mostly the main thing that doesn't make sense to me is not what you said it was Quetzzz thing about the thing about potential client being chased off. I just can not see why that would matter at all if nothing actually happened. And that's what started this conversation, why would you consider her a prostitute before she's slept with anyone?

Intent matters.
Why would she work at a brothel if she's not willing to have sex for money? She's performing the job of a prostitute, making her one.

She's working at a brothel and is eager to receive customers. She had no issues accepting money to have sex with the MC.
She only stops being a prostitute after the MC cuddles with her; in any other route, she is and remains a prostitute willing to get paid for sex.

Do you have the same requirements for any other job? Is a cop only a cop after they make their first arrest, or are they a cop after they get employed as one and put on their uniform?

 

[storm1105]

Intent matters.

Why does it matter if no action was preformed? Is it a moral issue? And if it is a moral issue why does it continue to matter after she changed her mind? I just can't see why the intention would actually matter

Do you have the same requirements for any other job? Is a cop only a cop after they make their first arrest, or are they a cop after they get employed as one and put on their uniform?

A police officer is a police officer when they finish the academy and get put on a route since that's their actual job. Making arrest is one of the duties the job entails not the main thing the job does itself. There are plenty of police officers who have never made arrests because the job involves more stuff than simply doing that.

But like I said if we compare it to other client based professions like a barber you're not a barber if you've never cut someone's hair. And them being willing to do so for money does but not having the opportunity does not make them a barber either.

 

[mtuytj]

And them being willing to do so for money does but not having the opportunity does not make them a barber either.

This isn't the situation that you've been given, and you keep twisting it. The equivalent would be you go to a barber shop, you get your hair cut and pay the barber, and then he says "you were my first client, this isn't for me". He was still a barber, he still cut your hair, he still took your money. He just quit afterwards.

Honestly, you don't seem to grasp basic logic when discussing things and seem to let emotion rule your outlook, which is fine, but not when discussing technicalities. I'm probably just going to leave it here because it's clogging up the thread and it's like talking to a brick wall.

 

[storm1105]

This isn't the situation that you've been given

That's exactly the situation that's been given. If you have a barber who has never cut anyones hair and your their first client then afterwards decides that they're not going to be a barber and just cut your hair then they were never a barber. They're just your friend doing you a favor.

Honestly, you don't seem to grasp basic logic

I can grasp logic fine. There is simply just no logic involved here and you're simply against the fact that was was willing to be a prostitute and for no oher reason than she had a title of prostitute. You aren't against her for any other reason or any logical reasons for why a normal person would be against prostitution in the first place. You just consider the professiona nd anyone assosiated itself to be the problem. As I said bfore it's pretty obvious by now that none of you are acting based on logic and instead acting based on stigma.



Even if we ignore semantics there's no logical reason why it should be a problem in the first place if she never had sex with anyne. She's clean so why does it matter?

 

[YogSothoth1982]

Yep. The fact that she's in a relationship with you is what matters and essentially. It pretty much makes whatever happened before irrelevant since it's no longer an agreement based around money.

I'm not going to get to that point because my MC isn't going to pay for sex if I can avoid it.

That's exactly the situation that's been given. If you have a barber who has never cut anyones hair and your their first client then afterwards decides that they're not going to be a barber and just cut your hair then they were never a barber. They're just your friend doing you a favor.

What a shitty favor if you have to pay for it.

 

[mtuytj]

I can grasp logic fine. There is simply just no logic involved here and you're simply against the fact that was was willing to be a prostitute and for no oher reason than she had a title of prostitute. You aren't against her for any other reason or any logical reasons for why a normal person would be against prostitution in the first place. You just consider the professiona nd anyone assosiated itself to be the problem. As I said bfore it's pretty obvious by now that none of you are acting based on logic and instead acting based on stigma.

You clearly aren't capable of taking in English because I already said I don't have a problem with it, my only point was that she was by definition a prostitute, nothing to do with anything else you guys are discussing.

Granted, you're replying to multiple people so I guess you could get your wires crossed, but not once did I say I dislike her or have anything against her as a love interest, nor do I have a problem in general with the profession. But she was a literal prostitute, however not a hoe or anything like that. I'm purely talking about the definition and facts.

When I said I'd be a bit wary irl to begin a series relationship with someone who did that, that's not specific to this. There are a bunch of things I'd have to weigh about being in a relationship with someone. Are they interesting, is their family annoying, have they slept around a bit too much, etc. But again, my only point was that she was by definition a prostitute via how the profession is defined in the English language.

 

[Black Orchid]

i got around to replaying the whole thing out of curiosity and i have to go back on my previous comment of calling it shallow. admittedly it still has a lot of quirks but i really took a liking to it. one thing that still kinda bothers me is the lack of "romance". occasional kissing would breath a lot of life into the story.

 

[Kabuki_]

Likes:

• The game seems to respect my choices. Nice!
• Training with Adam. He punches the naivete out of the MC, which is the tough love he needs.
• Ava, the first woman in this AVN who I think is gorgeous. The others have been mid so far. (personal taste) Scratch that, praise Dana.
• Under normal circumstances I would've bedded Maia already... But with the queen being so eager, I can't help but get some perverse pleasure from making her wait. And I'm happy the game lets me.
• Free-roam navigation is easy and intuitive. Other games can learn something from this.
• I like that the MC isn't another dumb guy. He knows what's up when talking to Vic.
• The witch mission. Nice design with multiple options on how to deal with her. It also relies on players to remember to take her in alive if they go that route.
• Avery also looks better than most LIs. Good job!
• I like that Maia can divorce the MC, but I think conditions could be added. For instance, if the MC hasn't consummated the marriage, this could be a reason for divorce. It's also weird that the queen still marries her daughter to the MC despite a failed marriage.
• The princess gets mad and breaks up with the MC when you do exactly as the queen asks. Good riddance.

Nitpicks / bugs:

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I just want to genuinely thank you for the nitpicks list. It made me realize how much of a fucking idiot I am. So, for some of your points where you mentioned how you chose a certain choice only for it to change later, it was because there were several occasions where I forgot to delete variables that I'd put in during testing to try different paths. I fixed them all but now a percentage of players will get dialogue that wasn't intended for them. I'm trying to rectify this in the next update, so hopefully it's not completely fucked.

For your points regarding choices not mattering, I understand, but let's be honest... most choices in the game don't really amount to anything aside from lowering/increasing your honor, which will dictate the ending you get. As a solo dev, I can't realistically create completely different paths for every choice. That said, I tried adding some dialogue for certain choices, i.e., when you defend or make fun of Maia. And when the MC is married, the queen will now briefly comment about it. There's also some new dialogue for Diana when you skip the dinner scene with Darius. I was actually shocked that I missed adding a variable for that.

And for choices where you can 'do this now or do it later,' the 'do it later' choice is purely for gameplay reasons. Basically, it's a choice for players who don't want to advance the story just yet. Not conon I guess?

All in all, you helped me a lot with polishing the game, so thank you!

 

[Komkasa]

I just want to genuinely thank you for the nitpicks list. It made me realize how much of a fucking idiot I am. So, for some of your points where you mentioned how you chose a certain choice only for it to change later, it was because there were several occasions where I forgot to delete variables that I'd put in during testing to try different paths. I fixed them all but now a percentage of players will get dialogue that wasn't intended for them. I'm trying to rectify this in the next update, so hopefully it's not completely fucked.

For your points regarding choices not mattering, I understand, but let's be honest... most choices in the game don't really amount to anything aside from lowering/increasing your honor, which will dictate the ending you get. As a solo dev, I can't realistically create completely different paths for every choice. That said, I tried adding some dialogue for certain choices, i.e., when you defend or make fun of Maia. And when the MC is married, the queen will now briefly comment about it. There's also some new dialogue for Diana when you skip the dinner scene with Darius. I was actually shocked that I missed adding a variable for that.

And for choices where you can 'do this now or do it later,' the 'do it later' choice is purely for gameplay reasons. Basically, it's a choice for players who don't want to advance the story just yet. Not conon I guess?

All in all, you helped me a lot with polishing the game, so thank you!

Any future plan to put girls from "the witcher" in the game? Honestly this will make the game even better than any AAA game! Honestly!

 

[Quetzzz]

All in all, you helped me a lot with polishing the game, so thank you!

My pleasure!
You're right that you have to draw a line concerning dev time and alternative choices, and I think most of these situations can be handwaved away. For instance, bypassing the village's breeding contest has you travel with Alex, who's still in pain, slowing down travel.

The two actual complaints I'd have are about using the persistent variables that cause cross-game behavior changes. Most other nitpicks are more about wording and how context/telegraphing is conveyed. For instance, the message would be different if Eireen would just ask for a final confirmation that the MC /player is ready to leave town for several days instead of actively suggesting they take more time to prepare.

Finally, with Katherine, I would love an alternative option where we can tell her that we don't think she's entirely innocent and that being in jail could also protect her since she's the scapegoat in a cover-up. I'd love to promise her we'll free her as soon as we have the power or opportunity to and tell Ava the truth about it as well.

A suggestion about testing:
If you add comments like "# TODO: change this variable back" in the code, then the Ren'Py SDK will show these todo items in a list:

In the SDK:

 

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[OROGoober]

Pretty awesome game. Always love it when games give us repeatable scenes.

Rebecca is my absolute favorite. Her design is hella pretty and sexy (Those tits with the cleavage )

Hoping to see some Titfuck scenes with her.

 

[XxANBU42xX]

[This update will be available to the public on the 7th of January] or not

This is the story update!

For those who asked for an actual story, well... here it is. I think I did a decent job establishing an actual goal for the MC beyond just dipping his penits into stuff. There's also a lot of character development here, and I think one scene in particular is going to surprise people. Don't worry, there's still plenty of sexy stuff in here too.

I've been trying to make this shift for a while, but I never really found the right moment. Maybe this isn't it either, but I don't think I can make it much better than this.

The update starts with a short story segment for Alex. Despite the poll leaning slightly toward making her playable, it was pretty split, so for now Alex is not playable. As for the dialogue checks poll, that one landed at an exact 50/50 lol, so I decided to keep them for now, and even managed to slide one in.

This update was hell to make and will likely be the last one of this size. I simply can't keep doing updates this long if I want to preserve even a shred of my sanity. Because of that, the next update will be much, MUCH shorter.

PLEASE REPORT ANY BUGS YOU FIND!

I was heavily drunk while testing and doing the last polishes, which I probably shouldn't have. Heheheeeeee.

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Changelog:

• Continued the story
• 700+ renders and 22 animations.
• Updated Maia's dialogue during early game to make her more accepting of polygamy. maybe even... into it?
• Added new short dialogue in the early game to give certain choices more depth (does not require a newgame)
• Fixed an issue on Android where textbox opacity could not be changed
• Various bug fixes

 

[scaryterry19]

Kabuki_

Was Alex's trans model retconned?

 

[Zaruhhh]

¿Son relevantes el personaje trans y la trampa? ¿O solo tienen una escena?

 

[Bernard89]

trans content?

 

[Disguised Lizard]

I'm him, I been him, I will continue to be him