slick97

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AND I have some arrogant talking cat telling me NOT to fuck and impregnate my sister?!?
Version 3 had some foreshadowing regarding different paths to cataclysm - Cass or Elin - as visions from the Red King and Mirta. It seems that the catalyst which transforms Elin into a magical nuke stems from you putting a child in her, hence the cat/Ludwig chastising you.

Elin is a rather unique case when considering the constant reference to reflections, and this update spells it out quite plainly that one of you weren't meant to exist. If you took the whiteblood in version 8 the first part of the vision shows an exchange between two women - one of them pregnant - and the Moon Lady (Goddess of Reflections? Death?). That vision is presumably about the Queen being pregnant with the MC specifically, but more specifically that she accepted some kind offer from the mirror which led to twins rather than the MC alone.

I'm just amused that saving her just puts you back in the lords route, really cementing the Rebels as the "Evil" route, well, the rebels tricking presents into being cannon fodder and intentionally burning a city to blame it on the lords
To be fair, Catalina probably only saw an opportunity to avoid bloodshed by appealing to the faction that claims to care about people. The lords are the evil she knows, but the rebels were an evil she didn't know until your confrontation.
 

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Think I've come across a bug, because I'm almost sure I'm on the Queen's love path (at least all the previous scenes if I remember correctly were related to this path), but according to your description in this update I got a scene from the ‘Lust’ path. Has anyone had a similar situation?

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I also hope there is some path to restore the Empire bring the elves in and avoid ALL the catastrophes involving the main three girls while having a huge happy debauched harem made of all the women we wooed/stole along the way.
Maybe real life has jaded me but I CANNOT get behind the "Republic" idea. It's just a redistribution of power but is still ruled by corrupt old assholes.
At least a powerful King or Emperor can squash some of that during his reign if he so chooses. Both sides are shit IMO and I want my MC to clean them out.
 

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I also hope there is some path to restore the Empire bring the elves in and avoid ALL the catastrophes involving the main three girls while having a huge happy debauched harem made of all the women we wooed/stole along the way.
Maybe real life has jaded me but I CANNOT get behind the "Republic" idea. It's just a redistribution of power but is still ruled by corrupt old assholes.
At least a powerful King or Emperor can squash some of that during his reign if he so chooses. Both sides are shit IMO and I want my MC to clean them out.
Right? And even if you can't do the "everyone lives happily ever after" bit I refuse to believe the elves wouldn't be willing to side with a pro-elf emperor that considers himself more elf than human (and has stated as much) without causing anarchy and burning the empire to the ground. They'd be FAR better off with that and being integrated back in as a highly regarded member of the new order rather than everything falling apart and leaving themselves open to future conquests and enslavement / extermination from other nations.
It'd be a different story if they still had some sort of significant military strength, but they don't, they're exiles in their own lands and hiding in the bush.
 

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Right? And even if you can't do the "everyone lives happily ever after" bit I refuse to believe the elves wouldn't be willing to side with a pro-elf emperor that considers himself more elf than human (and has stated as much) without causing anarchy and burning the empire to the ground. They'd be FAR better off with that and being integrated back in as a highly regarded member of the new order rather than everything falling apart and leaving themselves open to future conquests and enslavement / extermination from other nations.
It'd be a different story if they still had some sort of significant military strength, but they don't, they're exiles in their own lands and hiding in the bush.
All that is true but I'll disagree on the MC considering himself more elf than human part. That decision seems to be an indicator of who he'll favor.
If they were to be integrated into the Empire I think it would be on the choice where he says he doesn't wanna choose between man or elf because he is both. Equality if you catch my drift.
 

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All that is true but I'll disagree on the MC considering himself more elf than human part. That decision seems to be an indicator of who he'll favor.
If they were to be integrated into the Empire I think it would be on the choice where he says he doesn't wanna choose between man or elf because he is both. Equality if you catch my drift.
True, but if you want to look at it that way you'd assume considering himself an elf would lead to elven independence, and while that's nice in theory, it wouldn't work. At all. They'd all be killed. There are too few of them and they're too weak at the moment. So really the "elf route" and the "equality route" are basically the same thing, except with the "elf route" he could go out of his way to appoint some high ranking elves to positions of power within the empire, council members, etc.
Fantasy DEI, if you will. :ROFLMAO:
 

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True, but if you want to look at it that way you'd assume considering himself an elf would lead to elven independence, and while that's nice in theory, it wouldn't work. At all. They'd all be killed. There are too few of them and they're too weak at the moment. So really the "elf route" and the "equality route" are basically the same thing, except with the "elf route" he could go out of his way to appoint some high ranking elves to positions of power within the empire, council members, etc.
Fantasy DEI, if you will. :ROFLMAO:
I would bet money that there will be some sort of ye old grand elf republic revival ending backed by super nuclear elf magic with the MC elf chosen one where humans are tolerated but their evil bigotry is over!
(While the elves in this game are just as shit and evil as the humans according to the flashbacks and what we know:ROFLMAO:)
 

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I would bet money that there will be some sort of ye old grand elf republic revival ending backed by super nuclear elf magic with the MC elf chosen one where humans are tolerated but their evil bigotry is over!
(While the elves in this game are just as shit and evil as the humans according to the flashbacks and what we know:ROFLMAO:)
Lia DOES mention that all the elven ruins are made out of this special magic rock that channels magic super well and basically all the human cities are built on the elven ruins. Perhaps they're like buried urban nukes that can all be activated and overloaded when the MC cums on a special keystone or something. :unsure: :ROFLMAO:
 

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Think I've come across a bug, because I'm almost sure I'm on the Queen's love path (at least all the previous scenes if I remember correctly were related to this path), but according to your description in this update I got a scene from the ‘Lust’ path. Has anyone had a similar situation?

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Apparently, the latest important variable that determines Love vs Lust path for the Queen is the baths talk during 0.8, where MC can either Agree or Disagree with Seraphina's request that they "tone down" their taboo relationship.

If MC disagrees, you continue pursuing her relentlessly like a horndog and get on her Lust path;
If MC agrees, you take a step back, and carefully continue exploring a relationship with Seraphina for her Love path.

Notice how, on the Lust path, Seraphina is still refusing to play into the fantasy, while on the Love path, she takes initiative and gives MC a handjob as soon as she notices he is hard...
 

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Think I've come across a bug, because I'm almost sure I'm on the Queen's love path (at least all the previous scenes if I remember correctly were related to this path), but according to your description in this update I got a scene from the ‘Lust’ path. Has anyone had a similar situation?

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Same issue then, could have sworn I was on the love path till I saw answers saying otherwise in this thread. I got the tag scene instead.
 

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Does the i-patch work with the walkthrough mod?
As far as I can tell, the walkthrough mod includes the i-patch.

Apparently, the latest important variable that determines Love vs Lust path for the Queen is the baths talk during 0.8, where MC can either Agree or Disagree with Seraphina's request that they "tone down" their taboo relationship.

If MC disagrees, you continue pursuing her relentlessly like a horndog and get on her Lust path;
If MC agrees, you take a step back, and carefully continue exploring a relationship with Seraphina for her Love path.

Notice how, on the Lust path, Seraphina is still refusing to play into the fantasy, while on the Love path, she takes initiative and gives MC a handjob as soon as she notices he is hard...
Damn, is that for sure? I wanted the Love path but I assumed agreeing with that request was going to put an end to the relationship altogether.
 
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Filipis

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Damn, is that for sure? I wanted the Love path but I assumed agreeing with that request was going to put an end to the relationship altogether.
Yup. That's the one that changes the variable that the Queen scenes in 0.9 check for.

After the baths scene, the Queen takes the "dominant" role in the Love path, while Elis remains in control of the relationship on the Lust path if you refuse to tone down your desire for her.
 

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This game is crying out for a mrbubu walkthrough schematic. I'm so confused by all the various branches and random decisions i've made in previous versions.

Do i kill the guy or save catalina? Do i spare the other guy so i can bang his mum? What are the consequences!!!

I'm hoping that they're mostly just flavour and have little long term bearing on anything. Otherwise we're heading towards DPC territory
 
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