VN Ren'Py Imperial Chronicles [v0.11] [Lazy Monkey]

[GarudoSCHE]

I've barely started this game, but I wonder... Is the decision about how to deal with Val of any consequence at all?

Without spoilers: yes.
But it's difficult to determine exactly how our attitude toward her will influence events. Perhaps being more gentle with her will help resolve the conflict more easily.

 

[n00bPanda]

Oh man I just realized girl in the beginning and the Cat are the same *being, I did seperate them in my vision summary and chronology codex, my stupid chud brain

 

[Quetzzz]

She's just a side character for now at least, that you will see every now and again depending on how you deal with her. Unless you kill her of course.

Without spoilers: yes.
But it's difficult to determine exactly how our attitude toward her will influence events. Perhaps being more gentle with her will help resolve the conflict more easily.

That's good to know, thanks! Maybe I'll spare her in my next playthrough
The way I saw it, and the way these stories usually go, she'd either be dead (beheaded or executed after trying to escape or after facing trial) or free (let go, escaped, or freed)... So I might as well kill her and get things over with quickly.

 

[FalconLover420]

I really don't get why this even happened. Which fucking Elf ordered it, and what is the goal in kidnapping Elis unborn child. I mean whoever did it, is 100% getting murdered horribly when we find them. But I'm just not really sure what there goal could be in doing it in the first place.

That is what im concerned like what would they do? Elves prop him up as a pretender?

Also regarding Val, its a wait and see because right now you get almost nothing from her aside from lore but she comes in three seperate times in the chapter 1 and how you are the chosen one.

But yeah gotta ask what do you do with val most of the times?

Force or Cooperative?

 

[Quetzzz]

Force or Cooperative?

I only forcefully separated her head from her shoulders. I do like lore, so I'll probably spare her next time.

 

[GibboBtw]

That's good to know, thanks! Maybe I'll spare her in my next playthrough
The way I saw it, and the way these stories usually go, she'd either be dead (beheaded or executed after trying to escape or after facing trial) or free (let go, escaped, or freed)... So I might as well kill her and get things over with quickly.

Damn, you just straight up killed her on your first run? that's cold blooded dude...

That is what im concerned like what would they do? Elves prop him up as a pretender?

Also regarding Val, its a wait and see because right now you get almost nothing from her aside from lore but she comes in three seperate times in the chapter 1 and how you are the chosen one.

But yeah gotta ask what do you do with val most of the times?

Force or Cooperative?

Exactly, seems like just a bizarre thing to do. It's why I really want to know who ordered it. I originally thought it might be Alaina, as either a form of "clean up" for Elis, hiding and getting rid of pretenders and the like for him. Or maybe she just wanted our blood/offspring for a "PLAN B" or for some other reason. But now that we can off her like we can. I don't think it was her as much.

So that leads to being either our Auntie or some new unknown Elven player. The Auntie would make sense to me next maybe, as she does seem to be on the warpath in regards to saving Elvenkind from Humanity. Could be she is the one who wants a "pretender" But again, I'm not sure how that seems to be a good idea? I don't exactly see how they would plan on making the empire rally around this, random farmergirls child that has been raised by Elves.

As for Val. I have always just spared her and been "nice" to her. Never been a fan of rape or slavery so those are gone for me. And as for just killing her outright. Felt a bit weak to do so then. She can die with the rest of her people later on. The realisation of betrayal from her, will make it hit rather hard hopefully, and be kinda "fun".

 

[Quetzzz]

Damn, you just straight up killed her on your first run? that's cold blooded dude...

To be fair, while the prince wasn't aware, the game made it obvious that Val was a thief. As a prince, I thought rule of law was important to uphold. The main reason why I think Val had a larger role to play was Elis' advice to take her with them, and that made me wonder if she actually had an impact.

I'm currently with Alaine at the ruins, talking about where the ancient Elves went... But something else occupies my mind. The twins seem very complacent about being married off, even with my MC promising to marry Cass and his twin sister having declared her love to him.
I suspect there's something else afoot, because their relative acceptance of the situation doesn't make much sense to me.
I'm just thinking out loud here, but I wouldn't be surprised if any male suitors end up found floating down the river.

 

[Brno9090]

The second coronation scene change for red path and white path?

 

[watchinglolis]

Isis is fine... for now, while she has to behave. She is way too cunning for her own good, and is very likely going to become a liability in the future like the visions show, heck even the daughter might turn on us according to them. So far the visions haven't lied to us yet, so I fully expect her to turn against us at some point in the future. At least I am quite certain she isn't one of the 2 remaing prophecy snakes so she should be fair game to kill, unlike yandere Elin.

I have a feeling the snakes mentioned are Cass, Elin, and Mom. I think Cass is the path toward deceit/brutality/human dominance, Elin the path of chaos and destruction, and Mom is the path to restoration of elven power/human eradication. The thing that interests me is the balance between the 3 if you try to strive for harmony for both the humans and elves but also strive for keeping your root planted inside the family tree. It drags all over if you want to bang the family but also want to make both elves and humans prosper and truly want something with Elin. Elin would be a blessing on your life if she also wasn't the direct source of the curse glaring you in the face.

 

[HYLIAX]

I wonder if Val is some kind of elven princess or possibly even one of the snakes? If you look at the patreon page, there's a picture of Val sitting in a cage on the tree, in the same tree/cage where Cass shows up if you killed her, I wonder if Val shows up there too if you kill her? Between her comment about MC taking an elven wife, the opening scene being centered around Val, and her being in the main cover art on patreon, seems like she could be more than a side character

 

[Bro In The Game]

Speaking of the 3 snakes

The first snake is Cass, I don't say

But the second snake I think could be Aurora or our daughter and Isis depending on who you choose as your wife, because there is no reason why the scenarios from the beginning of the game until now are all in the direction of marrying Aurora leading to a bad ending, Isis doesn't harm us but the daughter does

The third snake is not sure but could be Mother or someone in the Elf clan who is pulling the strings of recent events, because it's quite unlikely to be Elin because it's hard to imagine her betraying us even if she turns Yandere right?

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Actually after reading through the update (White coup, Republic, Side with Conrad, pretend to trust) I don't think those are correct, what with Alaina's revelation and the Serafina/Celestine prophecy.
I believe it actually is.

Cass/Cassandra = Cousin - Daughter of Uncle (the real Regius) who you can see killed by Cass' mom if you view the past.
assumed older half-sister

Elin = Younger Twin Sister

Ophelia/Lia = Younger Sister

Serafina = Mother

Celestine = Aunt/Twin sister of Serafina (Most likely MC's father's elven camp wife.)

Arion = Older Half-Brother/Son of Celestine/Nephew of Seraphina/Twin of Noira/Actual eldest son of the King -
assumed cousin

Noira = Older Half-Sister/Daughter of Celestine/Nephew of Seraphina/Twin of Arion/Actual eldest daughter of the King -
assumed cousin

Priscilla = Cassandra's Aunt - Relation to the MC might as well be (Uncle's Father's Brother's Cousin's Former Roomate)
AKA Absolutely Nothing.

You're entirely late on this, my guy. I'm not even sure why you're responding to a months old post in the first place. You're entire post is basically a copy of what I've already said prior.

In fact, this was posted before the post you even quoted lol.

You know, rereading Alaina talk again. Didn't the ending pretty much hint that the King is also the father of Celestine's children? At least that's where my mind went to on this other playthrough I just finished. Since his lover was an elf and her children were born outside of the forest. And this was before Alaina took away his ability to reproduce. So if those twins are older, chances are, they're the King's as well.



So from this update, if this is true.



Elis, Elin and Lia are the younger siblings/cousins of Noira and Arion. While Cass is Elis, Elin and Lia cousin. Also, it's kind of funny how Noira and Arion got the twin thing going. Their names being just the backwards version of each other. But the Queen and Celestine have completely different sounding names. Pretty much being the only twins like that. It would make more sense for Queen to be named Seraphine over Serafina. Since Celestine and Seraphine pretty much go together.



Anyway, that's my late night thoughts. This family is potentially getting kind of crazy.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

I wonder if Val is some kind of elven princess or possibly even one of the snakes? If you look at the patreon page, there's a picture of Val sitting in a cage on the tree, in the same tree/cage where Cass shows up if you killed her, I wonder if Val shows up there too if you kill her? Between her comment about MC taking an elven wife, the opening scene being centered around Val, and her being in the main cover art on patreon, seems like she could be more than a side character

Not to completely ruin your theory, but the cage is the sun cage you can put Val in for stealing the horse. It's something Ludwig suggests Elis do for her crimes. The cage itself is what people use to torture elves that they capture. So Val isn't a snake or elven princess. She says so herself this update. Her bloodline isn't special like Sera, Celestine or Alaina.

Speaking of the 3 snakes

The first snake is Cass, I don't say

But the second snake I think could be Aurora or our daughter and Isis depending on who you choose as your wife, because there is no reason why the scenarios from the beginning of the game until now are all in the direction of marrying Aurora leading to a bad ending, Isis doesn't harm us but the daughter does

The third snake is not sure but could be Mother or someone in the Elf clan who is pulling the strings of recent events, because it's quite unlikely to be Elin because it's hard to imagine her betraying us even if she turns Yandere right?

I'll start by saying this is my own interpretation of it.


The fortune teller at the start states these things at the beginning about the snakes.

1. One tail stretches into your cradle.

2. The second wraps around the throne.

3. The third holds a dagger above the golden crown.

With the recent information, Alaina very well might be the 2nd snake above. Since she manipulates entire events to make sure the King and Elis got on the throne. With her secret being able to completely destroy it. We already know Cass is a snake. She honestly could be any of the above positions. However, if you interpret the cradle as Elis birthplace/place of origin, Which a cradle could be alternately described as. Then that means Cass is undoubtedly the first snake as the cradle would represent the Kingdom which he originates from. Even though it could also apply to Alaina. And her coup can alter said kingdom in 3 different ways. So that would then leave the last snake, which Elin can't be. Both Cass and Alaina influence stretches far. Elin is irrelevant, in terms of her reach and she has no power to influence the crown.

Who's the last snake then? I have no idea currently. Could be our chosen wife or maybe one of our unavoidable kids by them.

 

[Trotritro]

is there any updated multi mod ?

 

[Bro In The Game]

Not to completely ruin your theory, but the cage is the sun cage you can put Val in for stealing the horse. It's something Ludwig suggests Elis do for her crimes. The cage itself is what people use to torture elves that they capture. So Val isn't a snake or elven princess. She says so herself this update. Her bloodline isn't special like Sera, Celestine or Alaina.


I'll start by saying this is my own interpretation of it.


The fortune teller at the start states these things at the beginning about the snakes.

1. One tail stretches into your cradle.

2. The second wraps around the throne.

3. The third holds a dagger above the golden crown.

With the recent information, Alaina very well might be the 2nd snake above. Since she manipulates entire events to make sure the King and Elis got on the throne. With her secret being able to completely destroy it. We already know Cass is a snake. She honestly could be any of the above positions. However, if you interpret the cradle as Elis birthplace/place of origin, Which a cradle could be alternately described as. Then that means Cass is undoubtedly the first snake as the cradle would represent the Kingdom which he originates from. Even though it could also apply to Alaina. And her coup can alter said kingdom in 3 different ways. So that would then leave the last snake, which Elin can't be. Both Cass and Alaina influence stretches far. Elin is irrelevant, in terms of her reach and she has no power to influence the crown.

Who's the last snake then? I have no idea currently. Could be our chosen wife or maybe one of our unavoidable kids by them.

Yeah,
So we have the same idea of 2 snakes, 1 snake is Cass and 1 snake can be Elin's wife or child

I think Cass is the dagger above the golden crown, she always appears with the symbol of a knife and even the first event of Cass and Elis' relationship is related to the knife

As for the cradle symbol, this reminds me of manipulation from childhood, Alaina or Mother, anyway the two of them work together for the Elf race, and I think, this snake will be related to the Elf race which is a part of Elis' origin. I prefer that snake to be Mother, wouldn't the story be much more interesting?

The snake wrapped around the throne, it would be easier to understand that it is the snake that will accompany Elis in ruling and who is more suitable than his wife and children?

That's my own opinion and I really like yours ^^

And my initial thoughts on the snakes are in no particular order, this analysis is my thoughts on your points 1 to 3 ^^

 

[Quetzzz]

I'm probably overthinking things... But wouldn't it have been an option for the MC to not consummate the marriage?
If he doesn't produce a son, then the throne would default to him when the king dies. His father wouldn't have a grandson to declare his heir, bypassing him.

Looking at some other posts, this won't matter in the long run. Yet, the MC knows all of this before he's married, so I'm a bit surprised it doesn't come up. Seeing these posts about the offspring potentially being a snake... Maybe that explains why this option isn't even considered? The child could be mandatory for the story.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

I'm probably overthinking things... But wouldn't it have been an option for the MC to not consummate the marriage?
If he doesn't produce a son, then the throne would default to him when the king dies. His father wouldn't have a grandson to declare his heir, bypassing him.

Looking at some other posts, this won't matter in the long run. Yet, the MC knows all of this before he's married, so I'm a bit surprised it doesn't come up. Seeing these posts about the offspring potentially being a snake... Maybe that explains why this option isn't even considered? The child could be mandatory for the story.

I would say Conrad being the King's youngest brother is likely why. If Elis didn't do it, those who don't like him being half elf could've assassinated him and put Conrad on the throne. Mostly as a puppet that they can manipulate. Since he would be next in line as the only remaining male of the immediate family. Obviously, I don't think Elis personally thought this. For him, he was fulfilling his royal duty to marry and have children. But that would've been something he had to worry about if he didn't marry or have children.

 

[risky0]

Sera passed the loyalty test with flying colors. In my opinion, she proved to be the best LI in the game with her unconditional love and loyalty. (The part where Sera helped Mc kill Alaina.)

You'd have to be stupid to kill Alaina. She'll do anything to keep Mc safe and alive. What Alaina did in the past was necessary for Mc to exist today. All Alaina wants is for us to be a fair king. That's my goal in the game too. That's why I find her attractive; it's disappointing that we don't have a romantic relationship.

 

[Quetzzz]

I would say Conrad being the King's youngest brother is likely why. If Elis didn't do it, those who don't like him being half elf could've assassinated him and put Conrad on the throne. Mostly as a puppet that they can manipulate. Since he would be next in line as the only remaining male of the immediate family. Obviously, I don't think Elis personally thought this. For him, he was fulfilling his royal duty to marry and have children. But that would've been something he had to worry about if he didn't marry or have children.

Good thinking! I believe his mother warned him of this scenario. I forgot about that until now. That exposition came at the wrong time for me because I didn't have enough context yet.

For him, he was fulfilling his royal duty to marry and have children.

That, and he's a horny fucker.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

That, and he's a horny fucker.

Just like his father, if we're being honest. Before even getting married, he was blowing elves back out at camp and making bastards. And if it was Celestine among them. He dick down her twin sister, Seraphina after that. Probably intentionally at that and why he agreed with Alaina plan. Elis lust definitely comes from his father as much as it comes from his mother.