Raziel_8

Forum Fanatic
Dec 4, 2017
4,852
12,748
719
I don't think people aren't suspicious of Queen. Her and Alaina are definitely sus. There's just not enough info to be hard accusing her of being this nefarious person that's the cause of every bad thing. As it currently stands in the game, Queen hasn't done anything big enough to warrant such distrust. It comes off as artificial and needlessly paranoid because another character went full psycho this update.
True, i also don't think she would willingly put the the lifes of her childeren at risk for whatever plan of hers.
So yeah, likely long game planing to better the situation of the elves.

Well, that Cass is an absolute loose cannon isn't exactly surprising...
The only thing which surprised me was how poorly the whole coup was planed and how she seems barely in control of her own plan.
The path where the MC is in prison it just looks like she did as much damage as possible out of spite, well knowing her little coup has no change of success at that point.

Beside the hate she has for her father seems mainly based on assumptions and the opinion of others.
From what i remember we don't know if the king killed her mother and she didn't even want to know the truth from him as they are with the king before he get poisoned...

Am I weak for choosing Aurora? the other one seems to be very Cass-like and I don't want two like them around me xD
Nah, Isis is also far more dangerous, cunning and capable than Cass.
Well you don't need to worry about having both of them, if you want, Isis kill's Cass for you
 

Raziel_8

Forum Fanatic
Dec 4, 2017
4,852
12,748
719
It's ok we'll pardon her and turn her into a concubine. :devilish:
That would be political suicid for the MC.
She did a coup, killed many nobels and their children, nearly burned the city down, many think she was behind the poisoning of the king...death is pretty much the only viable sentence, also quite well deserved.
 
  • Like
Reactions: WideRange72

bratkoratko

Member
Jan 11, 2023
162
540
216
This is the only game where I am actually interested for sub route, especially since Cass actually cares about MC.Kudos to the dev, dialogues may be pretty bad (language barrier probably plays a huge part), but he created an actual cast of characters and not just fuck toys
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Marvoch

n00bPanda

Member
Jun 16, 2021
345
636
216
You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
Altough I read these two pretty long and viable replies to my plea, I have not enough time to reply with equivalent level of reply therefore I apologise. So for now I'll admit that maybe I'm a bit much paranoid about Queen and Elves but thats it. Future updates will bring more answers I hope. But I am still behind my words about Cass mostly and about that meaningless comparasion between Cass and Elin. Also I cut my point finger last night while carving so its pretty hard to write atm. Good days.




I'm starting to work on version 0.7

View attachment 4133362
Is it the King or Cass I wonder.
 
Last edited:

Penguin01

Newbie
Jul 10, 2024
59
32
104
Altough I read these two pretty long and viable replies to my plea, I have not enough time to reply with equivalent level of reply therefore I apologise. So for now I'll admit that maybe I'm a bit much paranoid about Queen and Elves but thats it. Future updates will bring more answers I hope. But I am still behind my words about Cass mostly and about that meaningless comparasion between Cass and Elin. Also I cut my point finger last night while carving so its pretty hard to write atm. Good days.




Is it the King or Cass I wonder.
Sis is crying so prolly King or another character
wait Cass wouldnt recieve such honor so its king, doubt they would bury Ludwig this way for instance
 
Last edited:
  • Like
Reactions: Ebonheart (FR)

Hadron-5

Newbie
Jul 16, 2023
44
179
166
Altough I read these two pretty long and viable replies to my plea, I have not enough time to reply with equivalent level of reply therefore I apologise. So for now I'll admit that maybe I'm a bit much paranoid about Queen and Elves but thats it. Future updates will bring more answers I hope. But I am still behind my words about Cass mostly and about that meaningless comparasion between Cass and Elin. Also I cut my point finger last night while carving so its pretty hard to write atm. Good days.




Is it the King or Cass I wonder.

No, you were correct. The only difference between them is that we know what Cass is doing while we only suspect what the big-tiddy queen is doing, and we haven't seen anything of the queen's history. Cass is responsible for the attempted coup, and the queen is responsible for Cass (and it is unlikely the queen didn't know what would happen), making them both fully responsible for the coup.
Cass is young and inexperienced, the queen is not. They both have ties to terrorists, Cass with her spies and connections to the west, and the queen with her spies and connections to the elf murder squads. They both spy on MC for similar reasons, with Cass wanting to start an manpire, and the queen wanting to start an elfpire. They are both friendly towards MC, much like Isis, for their own benefit. The queen, with her connections to the elf stuff, has likely done worse things than Cass, though only due to being alive for longer. They both worked towards isolating the king.

The only difference between them is the queen is experienced and patient while Cass is emotional and not very smart.
 

Dustellar

Well-Known Member
Aug 22, 2016
1,524
2,997
520
Btw, I may have missed it, but what happened to Conrad? I decided not to suggest anyone so Aker won the place in the council somehow, then the coup happened but I didn't see him and don't remember a mention (again, could have missed it)
 

Cazzan

Newbie
Dec 11, 2022
46
91
95
This is an amazing VN. One of the few where I bother to read the plot. But I'm more than a little worried about where it's headed. Having replayed this last episode for a lot of the possible endings, the divergence is massive. Very different people dead (and I don't mean Cass where the fact that she has a way back from the dead is more flashed in neon letters than implied), in jail, being LIs or even just being actual characters known. And that's not mentioning the very divergent position of the MC himself. I don't see how you can merge a lot of these paths without it seeming quite unbelievable, and I've seen VNs die from having to maintain very divergent paths before because the work grows exponentially. But I hope for the best.

As for those complaining of being forced to consummate the marriage - boohoo. While I'm not an NTR (of any kind) fan, this is clearly justified by the story. It would be utterly unbelievable if MC was actually allowed to reject an important political marriage, or get away with not consummating it. The kingdom obviously needs a heir at once. The fact that the author goes enough out of his way to allow us to keep Elin unsullied by (probably) making Lockhart gay and giving us several ways to obtain that goal is already bending the story a bit though it's at least possible given neither of them are ruling a kingdom so questions of a heir can be put off for a while.

I definitely wish there was a Walkthrough mod given how complex the game is, but I've read already how it's hard to do because the game is coded in his native language. Too bad, but that's how it is. URM helps a lot, but given the long term impact of some of those choices it's still pretty opaque what the consequences of your actions will be.

I actually see the discussion of Cass vs. Queen as a sign of the quality writing of this game. Because it's clear that Cass is not a one-dimensional villain, but very much the product of her circumstances (and Queen is a large, but far from the only, part of that). At the same time that does not excuse the terrible things she does anymore than a tough childhood absolves a murderer of responsibility IRL.

I do worry about the clear GoT influences in this last update. While I can roll with a dark story, GoT (the books) died because he went overboard this way and wrote himself into a corner he cannot write himself out of. A good story - fantasy or not - needs light as well as darkness. And your choices this update was from bad to catastrophically terrible. Not much light there.
 

LowLevelLesser

Well-Known Member
Feb 8, 2021
1,198
1,613
288
All in all, Cass is certainly a complex character but ultimately a "pitiful villain" sort. I'd still say redemption is possible but she'd have a long, hard road ahead of her and she'd likely never be able to hold a position of power again.

I actually think she'd be happier running a food stall in some random town than anything else. (So exile is an option I guess?)
 
  • Angry
Reactions: Nerv_rr

dusty stu

Well-Known Member
Jan 24, 2018
1,796
1,721
353
Ah, who could forget the adventures of Gerald, and his pals Jennifer, Siri, and Candylion.
 
4.60 star(s) 150 Votes