DrakoGhoul

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Is there any benefit to green path as opposed to white?

Seems like the coup is pretty pointless...
For Elis? It is pretty pointless since he's going to get on the throne regardless. The coup is realistically only for Cass and the other hidden forces out there (Alaina) to attempt to gain power. The green path is foolish to go down though. Not for Cass and her faction, mind you. But for Elis, it's extremely shortsighted to topple a faction you barely know for one that you definitely don't know.
 

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For Elis? It is pretty pointless since he's going to get on the throne regardless.
That's true eventually, but who knows how long it's going to take? It could be year or decades before Elis ever ascended to the throne and what if you already think Regis is a bad ruler? Are you just going to let him continue to make paranoid bad decisions that weaken royal authority for years while passing on opportunities that could strengthen the throne? Coups aren't just about installing a new ruler it's about replacing who was there before. If you're perfectly content with Regis then there is no reason for a coup. If you're not content with him it makes more sense to get rid of him sooner rather than later. Besides Elin I think it was pointed out that Elis isn't actually guaranteed the throne and is one of the reasons for Regis to push for a marriage. If Elis is unsuitable Regis could have it arranged so that the throne passes directly to his grandson rather than going through Elis. Of course if Regis already named Elis the heir then that point doesn't matter. But if he's not the heir and Regis already looks at Elis unfavorably then there is actually a pretty good reason to do the coup. It's also based around how much you trust Cass.
 

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Do you really not understand how being easily provoked or easily manipulated isn't a good trait for a person in any position of authority. But its more that I don't see how being able to keep your cool and think before you act means that whoever your talking about isn't a real person. Being able to keep your cool like that is a trait a lot of people have and is trait that can be learned normally because it's a trait that people have to learn. Think about a teacher who works with children. How unprofessional would it be if a teacher was able to be manipulated and easily teased by their students? Your to focused on what you prefer in a woman which isn't what we were talking about. I don't want to restart that argument.
"And second, it's funny your entire basis for that she would be "easily provoked" and a "pushover" that could be easily replaced on the throne. Being one scene, where someone who's spent pretty much her entire life being trained in "court etiquette" and learning how to scheme and manipulate people. Managed to rile Aurora up one time...:unsure:"
As I said before here. It was one scene dude. It's really quite a reach imo to just write her off as being "easily provoked" and "easily manipulated" after she got pissed off ONE time by someone who is rather masterful at it...

Why wouldn't a queen need to be skilled in politics when she's constantly going to dealing with people at the court. Even in situations where Elis would do everything Aurora would still have some authority as consort as well as occasionally filling in Elis isn't available for any reason. People in the court are also going to try to approach her to get her to get Elis to do stuff. Even when women were completely powerless they still were expected to keep up a certain image. Again I don't really care that you like Aurora better the point wasn't even about Isis. It was about Aurora being easily manipulated and thus not that skilled as a queen
Again, you're basing all this information that she'd be a horrible queen, or at the very least worse at it than Isis. because Isis managed to piss her off one time. That's it. Like, bruh. What do you think she's going to do if she has to hold court and listen to the people or something?? Lose her shit at some guy asking for a new chicken because his died??

I think she would have at least some idea of how to rule, given that she's the only child of a father that has been in charge of the north for a rather long time (by vote, I might add). I really don't see how getting pissed off one time = she has no idea how to be a good queen. I don't think she's just stupid now, and would be clueless at it.

Dude again, were not talking about which of the two you prefer. I really don't want to restart that argument. I only brought that the whole point in politics is mind games. Aurora not being skilled at that is not a good thing and that at least when it comes to Elis.
Same as above, I just really don't think she's going to be AS BAD as you seem to think she will. I'm really not seeing where all this "Aurora is terrible at politics" comes from outside of this one scene with Isis. I think she would make a great queen. One that as I said before, would be able to sway the people and become rather beloved, and be able to manage her duties rather well.

Isis had a lot in common with Cass which is why it's weird you dislike Isis but like Cass. The main difference is mostly that Isis is better and politicking but less skilled at fighting. But that whole thing about teasing and mind games stuff that you ruled out is stuff that Cass has been doing from the start, except that Cass is less upfront to Elis about things early on
I can think of a few reasons. The main one being that on my first blind playthrough back during like 0.5. Isis raised so many red flags in my mind. That plus the fact that she was mutually exclusive with Aurora. I ended up just writing her off for many runs as I couldn't see why I would ever pick her. If I could put Elis on her path as well as Aurora, I probably would have. And then might have ended up liking her more.

As for Cass, I think it was because you get to know her, at least a little bit without any player input really. And as I like to have all routes open during most of my games if I can, at least early on. I went down her path, and I just really felt for her. She's had a lot of fucked up shit happen to her, and she's pretty much never had anybody looking out for her, or rooting for her. Outside of Elis that is. Thanks to a certain elvish woman...That I pray I am going to be able to kill at some point. :censored: I think she's an absolute sweetheart at heart. :love: It's just that she's had to bury and hide it to protect herself. So "Fixing her" on the white path is honestly one of the top two? Things that I'm looking forward to seeing play out the most honestly.

The other one obviously being, to commit G E N O C I D E on ELVENKIND...(y)
 
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GibboBtw the elfic genocide is a dream for you mate, Are you going to kill Alaina even though she did everything for you to be on the throne?
Alaina serves the elves' ambitions more, but I don't blame her. The conditions for elves are terrible, and Elis is a half-elf. I also want to improve the elves' conditions, but first they must pledge their loyalty.
 
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Thank goodness for Lazy Monkey! He's a great guy. He created an amazing VN. He releases updates quickly and consistently. I love talking about this game as much as I love playing it.
He's truly a special person.
 

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GibboBtw the elfic genocide is a dream for you mate, Are you going to kill Alaina even though she did everything for you to be on the throne?
Yes.

Call it spite or whatever you want. But I'm gonna fucking make her regret a lot of her life choices that led up to this moment. The first one being orchestrating Elis's birth. My boi is NEVER gonna be somebodies puppet or slave on my watch. I mean she does give me similar vibes as The Emperor from BG3. What with how --BG3 EMPEROR SPOILERS-- He puts on this big ol song and dance of being on your side, and wanting your trust to "work with him" But if you just don't believe his bs and refuse him. He drops the facade eventually and just tells you straight up that you're his puppet and that you're going to do what he wants whether you like it or not. Felt something similar from Alaina with her last words to the MC before she flees if you call her out...:unsure: with the whole "JUST REMEMBER WHAT I KNOW" blackmail vibes to me...Well nah, I'm putting her ass on a cross.

And the second one being how willing to sacrifice people that she is apparently CLOSE WITH. I mean, she is lowkey just a fucking menace that can't be trusted if you just think about it. Take the white path for example and she's responsible, at least in some way for killing 3 of her OWN "friends". She's DIRECTLY responsible for killing one in the form of Cass's Mother and then INDIRECTLY responsible for killing two more. In the forms of Akker and Ludwig. She doesn't give a fuck though. As long as it's for "ELVENKIND"...Well, I'll fucking show her...

By Removing Elvenkind that is...
 

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GibboBtw I agree with you bro, Alaina is the true danger for me, she does everything for elfic cause and uses Priscilla and cass, she manipulates everyone for her cause and I want very hard to make she response for her crimes to the golden order, she wants to do something to the elf's cause so her life is the price.
 
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burbero Lazy monkey do a amazing job with Imperial Chronicles so many paths and a very rich history for us to play and debate, thank you very much to Lazy monkey our red emperor.
 
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storm1105

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Again, you're basing all this information that she'd be a horrible queen, or at the very least worse at it than Isis
I never said anything about Aurora being a horrible queen. That was the other guy. I said she wouldn't be as good as one as Isis because she's very clearly less skilled at court intrigues and power plays. She could learn but I also don't think she has any real interest in doing so. And I'm not basing it off one example I'm basing it off several. My original point in that one is that you somehow completely missed that the example was a power play and thought it was just Isis messing with Aurora for fun. Isis goal was to show that Aurora is overly emotional, easily manipulated and not as skilled with dealing mins games and power plays which is something everyone with a position of authority is going to have to deal with. I think your overlooking a lot of the political aspects because you prefer Aurora as a love interest while also not thinking enough about both their motivations. Aurora is there because she's honor bound. She doesn't really care that much about politics she cares more about supporting her father. The position of Isis family in the south was a lot less stable and everyone in the south is bidding their time and waiting for the right moment. Isis is more adapted to politics and her being there is more a personal investment for her. She's very clear that she wants to be Empress. She wants Elis to refound the empire. Most of her interactions prior to the marriage are not mind games, but Isis trying to prove to Elis that she's an asset that he can use to consolidate power. As I said before she's actually fairly upfront with Elis. E
One that as I said before, would be able to sway the people and become rather beloved, and be able to manage her duties rather well.
I think this is another thing your missing. About being beloved. Isis present herself very different to commoners and subject she says so herself and that her family only came to power because they leveraged the commoners anger against the old regime. I don't think Aurora would be a horrible queen but I don't really think she'd be a good one either. Her only benefit other than an alliance with the north it's just as keeping up the image of being a wife and a mother. But politics wise she's over her head.
. She's had a lot of fucked up shit happen to her, and she's pretty much never had anybody looking out for her, or rooting for her.
They're all shaped by their upbringing. Isis is the way she is because the south is a vipers nest and Aurora is the way she is because she wasn't raised for to rule in any capacity. Just to be a good childrearer and in a more stable environment. But I think you're overestimating how much Cass was shaped by her upbringing. Even as a kid she still wanted to be queen. I don't think she's ever a sweetheart. She's not going to turn into another Aurora if she had a different upbringing. Infact I think Aurora might have actually ended up being more passive if she had Cass's upbringing.
What do you think she's going to do if she has to hold court and listen to the people or something?? Lose her shit at some guy asking for a new chicken because his died??
No infact I wasn't thinking about commoners at all here. It's about other nobles and people at the court who could very much and very easily due what Isis did in that scene.
she's the only child of a father that has been in charge of the north for a rather long time (by vote, I might add).
That's part of the problem. She's the only child but she's a girl and she had older brother. She's from a society where women don't really hold political power and her father having been king for so long means that after a certain number of years the actual vote becomes a formality because most people voting are voting for more of what they're used to with no real reason to opt for a new ruler. Her fathers support has been built up for years before she was born so unlike Isis she's less exposed to genuine rivals competiting for authority. And since women don't rule in the north she was only taught about being a mother and sitting on the side lines. She has always known that all that really awaits for her is being married off for the sake of an alliance. Isis is a kingmaker, Aurora just does whatever she believes she's expected to do.
 

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GibboBtw I agree with you bro, Alaina is the true danger for me, she does everything for elfic cause and uses Priscilla and cass, she manipulates everyone for her cause and I want very hard to make she response for her crimes to the golden order, she wants to do something to the elf's cause so her life is the price.
However, his greatest sin is that he has yet to join the harem.:D
 
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GibboBtw I agree with you bro, Alaina is the true danger for me, she does everything for elfic cause and uses Priscilla and cass, she manipulates everyone for her cause and I want very hard to make she response for her crimes to the golden order, she wants to do something to the elf's cause so her life is the price.
Thats why mc need to impregnate her fast, we can fix her :KEK:
 

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The remain 25% will use 1-2 months to develope since every developer wait for november or december every year to earn the big money.:WeSmart:
 
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