VN Ren'Py Imperial Chronicles [v0.12] [Lazy Monkey]

[FalconLover420]

I'm going to put my two cents on the Iris/Aurora debate.
I think both of them are loyal to elis albeit with different methods.

Isis:
Isis works in the shadows whether its keeping elis safe from plots or dirtying her hands if her family is in danger as she was raised in an intrigue court. Plus she mentions that she gave her virginity to Elis (normally an ambitious woman would have lost it already).
Yes, we do get the dialogue about killing Elis's bastards because historically bastards have always been a threat to the true born children for dissatisfied nobles to rally behind. Another one that is used against Isis is the dialogue with the daughter, but we get nothing that implies what she says and is just provoking her mother plus the children are being raised with intrigue and the son with martial/intrigue.

Aurora:
She is the supporting wife and doesn't involve herself in intrigue basically from what we gather, her father ruled with martial/charisma as she herself is doing the same except more of the charisma/learning aspect. She was raised with the idea that women raise children and support the husband, an ideal housewife. "well she is boring" arguments, ehh doubt it, remember she is supporting her husband with children and representing him at court and not ruling in the shadows.

Lets take a look at her children tho, she has shown some form of favoritism from the future scenes but that is to be expected HOWEVER the siblings are extremely close to each other and the son and daughter are knowledgable/martial oriented.

So what I am getting at is that both women have different ways to express loyalty but at the end of the day, they are loyal to their husband first and foremost that they are willing to either kill for their families or rally their supporters (its been said that Aurora's guards where loyal to keep her safe during the coup).

 

[claus001]

Isis:
Isis works in the shadows whether its keeping elis safe from plots or dirtying her hands if her family is in danger as she was raised in an intrigue court. Plus she mentions that she gave her virginity to Elis (normally an ambitious woman would have lost it already).
Yes, we do get the dialogue about killing Elis's bastards because historically bastards have always been a threat to the true born children for dissatisfied nobles to rally behind. Another one that is used against Isis is the dialogue with the daughter, but we get nothing that implies what she says and is just provoking her mother plus the children are being raised with intrigue and the son with martial/intrigue.

To be fair, Isis is loyal, but then game counts Isis_dominance (misspelled) point meaning when she thinks MC is cuck enough she will make her move I just wonder how will she react to incest (when exposed). Either she will reject is completely or accept it 120% percent because of some ancient blood demon southern tradition.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

To be fair, Isis is loyal, but then game counts Isis_dominance (misspelled) point meaning when she thinks MC is cuck enough she will make her move I just wonder how will she react to incest (when exposed). Either she will reject is completely or accept it 120% percent because of some ancient blood demon southern tradition.

Isis probably doesn't care. Incest might even be some what common in the South with how many kids some of them have. I think Isis dad had a shit ton of kids, for example. It would be hard not to sleep with your half sisters or cousins. Especially if they also breed like crazy too.

Not to mention, Isis also doesn't have to worry about kids born from incest. Because those kids can never be acknowledged. Especially Sera's in particular. She would definitely have to not go in public when she start showing. Because everyone will know it's not the King's. Elin on the other hand has the cover of Lockhart. But in both cases, incest likely wouldn't bother Isis. Neither would the kids born from it.

That's why I don't think Isis reaction will be particularly interesting to see. Aurora on the other hand?

 

[Filipis]

Isis probably doesn't care. Incest might even be some what common in the South with how many kids some of them have. I think Isis dad had a shit ton of kids, for example. It would be hard not to sleep with your half sisters or cousins. Especially if they also breed like crazy too.

Not to mention, Isis also doesn't have to worry about kids born from incest. Because those kids can never be acknowledged. Especially Sera's in particular. She would definitely have to not go in public when she start showing. Because everyone will know it's not the King's. Elin on the other hand has the cover of Lockhart. But in both cases, incest likely wouldn't bother Isis. Neither would the kids born from it.

That's why I don't think Isis reaction will be particularly interesting to see. Aurora on the other hand?

This is an interesting take on Isis/Aurora and their reaction to incest... and you might just be right on the money.

Isis won't care about any bastards born from incest, as there isn't a lord alive that would support their claim to the throne - if anything, they might just rebel against the whole ordeal; it is in MC's & Isis' best interest to keep those bastards a secret.

Aurora might be the one to go ballistic, and even become disgusted with MC when she finds out (considering her being very religious)

Especially Sera's in particular. She would definitely have to not go in public when she start showing. Because everyone will know it's not the King's.

This is why Seraphina's and Lia's pregnancies will sound a lot of alarms - and I wonder exactly how LM plans to handle it.

On one hand, there are paths where MC doesn't romance them at all - so they don't end up pregnant (Elin & Lia's pregnancies are still optional, romance or not - but romancing Seraphina seems will always result in her pregnancy), so there's no problem there.

But - if you do get them pregnant - it should be a big fucking deal. And that means we should have two very different story paths going forward, because how the hell do Seraphina and Lia hide their pregnancies? LM is going to have to get very creative to avoid a huge divergence in the story.

 

[indigis]

This is an interesting take on Isis/Aurora and their reaction to incest... and you might just be right on the money.

Isis won't care about any bastards born from incest, as there isn't a lord alive that would support their claim to the throne - if anything, they might just rebel against the whole ordeal; it is in MC's & Isis' best interest to keep those bastards a secret.

Aurora might be the one to go ballistic, and even become disgusted with MC when she finds out (considering her being very religious)

This is why Seraphina's and Lia's pregnancies will sound a lot of alarms - and I wonder exactly how LM plans to handle it.

On one hand, there are paths where MC doesn't romance them at all - so they don't end up pregnant (Elin & Lia's pregnancies are still optional, romance or not - but romancing Seraphina seems will always result in her pregnancy), so there's no problem there.

But - if you do get them pregnant - it should be a big fucking deal. And that means we should have two very different story paths going forward, because how the hell do Seraphina and Lia hide their pregnancies? LM is going to have to get very creative to avoid a huge divergence in the story.

I always like to think that this is probably what LM wanted to begin with. A complex and intriguing story vs just another bland one that is similar to every other "family friend" porn game here.

 

[wheelstreak]

which of the starting perks has more scenes with secondary characters right now? Like the inkeeper's wife

 

[FalconLover420]

To be fair, Isis is loyal, but then game counts Isis_dominance (misspelled) point meaning when she thinks MC is cuck enough she will make her move I just wonder how will she react to incest (when exposed). Either she will reject is completely or accept it 120% percent because of some ancient blood demon southern tradition.

She is 100% but just goes in a different way.
I think the Isis_dominance just counts for sexual acts
as I think the negatives means you dominate more in bed and positive she dominates more in bed? At least that is how I understood it.

I think Isis will not expose it as sibling incest will bring down the entire kingdom (Remember the puppeteer on the tour with Cass, the commoners were mocking the relationships between MC and his female family members) but she probably will ask to either attempt to cover up who is their father or something like that.

 

[Jonmanchu]

Why name yourself as LAZYMONKEY if you are working hard and delivering consistently? Love you man,Keep them updates coming

 

[Gicoo]

which of the starting perks has more scenes with secondary characters right now? Like the inkeeper's wife

Fighter for peasants, bookworm for mythical creatures. Bookworm has the plus that you can fuck an exclusive recurring character. Fighter can have a few more additional scenes for the main cast.

 

[Filipis]

I always like to think that this is probably what LM wanted to begin with. A complex and intriguing story vs just another bland one that is similar to every other "family friend" porn game here.

Normally, that already sounds like a tough nut to crack, but specifically in the context of LM's 2-month schedule?
That kind of a significant divergence spells disaster.

 

[n00bPanda]

Whats the discord in the last 3 pages about Isis? I can't read 'em all. Somone, brief me, p(w)lease.

 

[storm1105]

Whats the discord in the last 3 pages about Isis? I can't read 'em all. Somone, brief me, p(w)lease.

Nothing important really just back and forth over whether or not Isis is loyal to the mc or planning to murder/betray them if the opportunity presents itself and whether or not Aurora is boring. With the main argument for the planning to betray the mc being that she's ambitious, good at scheming, she gives off Arianne Martell vibes, and that her family only came to power after overthrowing Ahara's family and killing everyone of them. The counter argument being that we don't have enough evidence she isn't loyal, it's not a good idea to judge based off a completely different character from a different series, and that being loyal to the mc is the most beneficial to her, and that so far she seems very supportive of him and defers to him first before killing Cass. That she was too young to have been involved when Ahara's family was killed by hers and that according to Isis there was an angry mob of peasants that wanted Ahara's family dead anyway and that they were showing mercy by executing them instead of handing them over to the peasants.



Then the Aurora boring debate is pretty subjective so nothing really came of that one way or the other.

 

[claus001]

Why name yourself as LAZYMONKEY if you are working hard and delivering consistently? Love you man,Keep them updates coming

Disinformation my friend. Disinformation.

 

[claus001]

That's why I don't think Isis reaction will be particularly interesting to see. Aurora on the other hand?

Aurora has been so docile she must go ballistic at some point. Perhaps incest will unlock her valkyrie-form?

 

[justheretopirate]

I think this game reached its peak several updates back , around the royal wedding update and has been on a slow spiral towards mediocraity and banality ever since. Ironically enough that despite being an incest game, the super focus on the mother where she takes about 50% or more of the renders of upcoming updates is the main reason for this downward spiral. Which is the fault of the Dev letting Patrons decide story content, instead of following his own established path (The dev started implementing Patron ideas since the Wedding update).

This is the reason why the early chapters where quite strong, and the afterward chapters are weaker and weaker. It is a common theme in VN games here, when devs allow Patrons to direct the story everything comes crashing down and nothing makes sense, but hey at least they got the "scenes" that they wanted.

All the interesting characters and side characters you meet from the beginning of the game are sidelined, or written as one note, or just given one scene and forgotten, just to make way for more scenes with the Mother. What Vampire? What elf you captured at the beginning of the game that you promised will be your own sex toy? All thrown to the trash. At best you might get a rushed scene in a few updates from now, to remind you they exist, but the potential of the game to be a truly branching paths VN with multiple paths is gone.

 

[DrakoGhoul]

Aurora has been so docile she must go ballistic at some point. Perhaps incest will unlock her valkyrie-form?

Who knows? I mean, I don't even think Aurora knows Elis is sleeping around in the first place. Let alone fucking his sisters and mother. Adding incest on top of the infidelity should bring some kind of reaction. Especially if it resulted in kids. I would assume, at least.

 

[Filipis]

I think this game reached its peak several updates back , around the royal wedding update and has been on a slow spiral towards mediocraity and banality ever since. Ironically enough that despite being an incest game, the super focus on the mother where she takes about 50% or more of the renders of upcoming updates is the main reason for this downward spiral. Which is the fault of the Dev letting Patrons decide story content, instead of following his own established path (The dev started implementing Patron ideas since the Wedding update).

This is the reason why the early chapters where quite strong, and the afterward chapters are weaker and weaker. It is a common theme in VN games here, when devs allow Patrons to direct the story everything comes crashing down and nothing makes sense, but hey at least they got the "scenes" that they wanted.

I understand your frustration about characters not getting the spotlight you feel they might deserve - I sometimes get frustrated myself at instances of such "forgetfulness" by the devs.

However, it is important to realize that IC is a story centered about in*est action; and the draw to such stories is the forbidden and the taboo - what greater taboo is there than bedding your own mo*her? Sisters are great, too, but parents/children just hit different. Not to mention, Seraphina was the last LI to "fall". She has been teased longer than any other LI in the game (just by a margin, though, Elin is right there with her). It makes sense that most of the fans want to see more of her, especially now that that particular threshold has been crossed. It is what it is, literally.

But it didn't make the story worse; your expectations might have risen as the game & story progressed, but truth is: LM can never make the game wildly branch again like he did with the coup event in 0.6 - he just doesn't have the luxury of time to do it properly, or maybe even the mental power to handle all those theoretical branches you might have envisioned.

Trust me, the game is all better for it if he sticks to a tighter script and maintains the release schedule, than have it your way and let the exponential branching delay this game to the heat death of the universe.

All the interesting characters and side characters you meet from the beginning of the game are sidelined, or written as one note, or just given one scene and forgotten, just to make way for more scenes with the Mother. What Vampire? What elf you captured at the beginning of the game that you promised will be your own sex toy? All thrown to the trash. At best you might get a rushed scene in a few updates from now, to remind you they exist, but the potential of the game to be a truly branching paths VN with multiple paths is gone.

Valleria (the sex-toy elf) is finally getting a scene in 1.1 it looks, and I agree - it has been too long since we've last seen her. But also know that she is not a main LI, and her story has no bearing on the grander arc being told; her scenes are nothing more than a "distraction", a side quest that is good for nothing but a nice wank. Meanwhile, sex scenes with Lia, Elin, Cass, and Seraphina hold greater weight for the narrative being told - as the consequence of getting them pregnant is significantly more impactful than getting Valleria pregnant. Side girls are just not important enough to become recurring characters; we already have to trade some of the main LIs getting scenes for other main LIs getting theirs.

 

[indigis]

I think this game reached its peak several updates back , around the royal wedding update and has been on a slow spiral towards mediocraity and banality ever since. Ironically enough that despite being an incest game, the super focus on the mother where she takes about 50% or more of the renders of upcoming updates is the main reason for this downward spiral. Which is the fault of the Dev letting Patrons decide story content, instead of following his own established path (The dev started implementing Patron ideas since the Wedding update).

This is the reason why the early chapters where quite strong, and the afterward chapters are weaker and weaker. It is a common theme in VN games here, when devs allow Patrons to direct the story everything comes crashing down and nothing makes sense, but hey at least they got the "scenes" that they wanted.

All the interesting characters and side characters you meet from the beginning of the game are sidelined, or written as one note, or just given one scene and forgotten, just to make way for more scenes with the Mother. What Vampire? What elf you captured at the beginning of the game that you promised will be your own sex toy? All thrown to the trash. At best you might get a rushed scene in a few updates from now, to remind you they exist, but the potential of the game to be a truly branching paths VN with multiple paths is gone.

The queen is one of the main casts. Obviously main cast characters are going to have more screen time. Pretty certain the main story outcome was pre-determined by the developer and not influenced update by update by the supporters.

 

[n00bPanda]

I think this game reached its peak several updates back , around the royal wedding update and has been on a slow spiral towards mediocraity and banality ever since. Ironically enough that despite being an incest game, the super focus on the mother where she takes about 50% or more of the renders of upcoming updates is the main reason for this downward spiral. Which is the fault of the Dev letting Patrons decide story content, instead of following his own established path (The dev started implementing Patron ideas since the Wedding update).

This is the reason why the early chapters where quite strong, and the afterward chapters are weaker and weaker. It is a common theme in VN games here, when devs allow Patrons to direct the story everything comes crashing down and nothing makes sense, but hey at least they got the "scenes" that they wanted.

All the interesting characters and side characters you meet from the beginning of the game are sidelined, or written as one note, or just given one scene and forgotten, just to make way for more scenes with the Mother. What Vampire? What elf you captured at the beginning of the game that you promised will be your own sex toy? All thrown to the trash. At best you might get a rushed scene in a few updates from now, to remind you they exist, but the potential of the game to be a truly branching paths VN with multiple paths is gone.

I agree on its being peak till the coup -mind you, I like the coup arc- and Queen taking the main LI throne/ majority of the story content for the last 2-3 update, which if you ask me, was unescapable. Not because for the favour of patreons, but it has to be progressed at some point anyway. Maybe whole Queen content could have been splattered among the updates way better but Western rebellion arc already includes two big ass time skips so chronologically it makes sense it progressed this way these in these last updates. [This is off topic but I really starting to hate 'apologetic horny milf vs sexual machiavellian son' dynamics in this genre of gaming already. My only wish from the Queen relationship is 'Love route' being handled better in the future however time it may take, I don't care. Seems to me he is rushing the love route to equalize it with 'lust route's countent.]

I don't really know whats going on in patreon or LM gives that much as shit as you think about what patreons want. AFAIK patrons only decide extra scenes and side character sexual contents.

Side characters are, however cool they are side characters at the end of the day. They havin' less content makes you believe they are well-written than they are (I am not saying they aren't well-written). At the moment nothing is thrown to the trash, whether its your elven sex slave or personal vampire. AFAIR game is planned to be two or three acts, so we are merely halfway. At the end of the 0.9 we have been told there will be a 'major choice' at the end of ACT1 - like in 0.5 (coup choice) so I suspect game won't suffer from having less paths nor branches in proportion to early updates in the near future.

 

[New Kid]

Aurora has been so docile she must go ballistic at some point. Perhaps incest will unlock her valkyrie-form?

Pfff I doubt it, she seems like the kind of girl that just endures any bullshit thrown on her like a champ for the good of the kingdom/alliance/whatever. Sure, she might get angry or depressed about some things but I doubt she has a spine to actually do something about whatever is bothering her as it could jeopardize her father's plans if she antagonizes the MC and his family. I admit that it would be amazing to see her going ballitstic though hahaha.