n00bPanda

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If we are roleplay, then the king/emperor does not benefit from democracy. The more power, the better. It's obvious, isn't it? The best benefit from supporting the lords is Guidon. He gives very funny lines, especially when you beat someone with a cup. Guidon is a Cass-level charisma.
Guidon is the second most important reasons to follow the white route.

The only good thing that comes to mind from supporting the rebels is the theoretical possibility of cucking a leader with a mustache. Otherwise, you can't cuck him because he's a corpse.
Elves support Rebels though, it might come in handy in the future. Besides Elves and other things, I believe there is a hidden enemy lurking — atleast thats what implied in some of the 'visions'. On top of that someone orchestrated the massacre of the Mages, beside the obvious culprit Una saw in the vision (Magna or something like that?) and the vision itself got interrupted by Elin's daughter or Elin himself.

In any case, for now, I believe it is wise to stay neutral or better yet in good favors with Elves.
 
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Elves support Rebels though
I know

In any case, for now, I believe it is wise to stay neutral or better yet in good favors with Elves.
With all my sympathy for elves, playing democracy? Hell, no.
All that remains is to hope that we will have the option to abandon the rebels and keep the elves.
It doesn't seem to me that this is impossible.
 

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Which one is better to side with? Lords or the rebels?

Personally I've always sided with the lords but is there any benefit or consequence from siding with the rebels?
Lords is the best path. Elis will have earned the loyalty of their current leaders while also having control of their future leaders whenever they come into being. Since he basically killed off majority of their radical young generation. He also doesn't give the elves too much power and will keep Cass hidden family out there from coming forward as well.

The Rebel path isn't really the best, but it's the second best path out of the 4 possible ones. They're rebels after all. If they did it once. Against their parents no less. They'll do it again as soon as Elis does something they don't like in the future. They'll also teach their children, whether directly or indirectly, that it's okay to do things like that as well. Plus Elis has less control over them because they're secretly being "assisted" by the elves.

The Pacifist route is just the Lord's route with extra steps. Not really worth it since to fully complete it, you basically have to let Catalina die and even then, you don't kill Cassius, if I'm not mistaken. Which kind of makes it all pointless. Yeah, less people die but you only really accomplished killing Henry. This being right before going back on the Lord's path anyway.

Then there's Cass side, if you're on the Green Path. She doesn't give you any choice. She gets her family, the Blackspit(?) to kill both sides as they fight. This is probably the worst path next to the Pacifist route. But for a different reason. Because you're letting a completely unknown faction rule over the West. One that you'll never control at all.

So from my own view. The Lords path is the best path, if you care about having control over the West. You gain the loyalty of their older generation. While also weaken they're younger generation and putting the weaker individuals in power. Individuals that may be loyal to Elis (Lockhart and Valerian). Or if you're like me, putting your secret children in power later (with Elin, Priscilla, Valeria and possibly Josephine). You're also not letting outside forces like the Elves or Blackspit gain power and influence.

That's just how I see it. I'm sure other players have their own reasons for supporting the Rebels or the two other paths. But for me, the Lords path is the only one that'll always be the canon choice for my Elis. The others I would only do on side playthroughs. Like doing the Rebels path so I can have Lockhart hear me fucking his mom, Priscilla.
 

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Question!

Which one is better to side with? Lords or the rebels?

Personally I've always sided with the lords but is there any benefit or consequence from siding with the rebels?
As Elis himself said, the loyalty of both is seriously questionable.

If I remember correctly, your current vassals (Logarrius and Leonard) don't really like the lords. This could have a negative impact in the future, for example. There's also Lord Gvidon, who's not exactly a pleasant character.

The Rebels aren't very nice people either. Their views could negatively impact the empire's future. The only person I like on this path is Cassius. As for the elves on this path: based on the dialogue, they're a radical cell that operates separately from the other elves. It's unclear how they'll help us further if we pursue this path. Perhaps the elves will trust us more in the future.

As was later explained, the neutral path is essentially the Lords' path, and it only makes sense if you're "FULLY" neutral, meaning you've sacrificed Catalina. If you don't sacrifice, you lose some content.

As much as I don't like Cass's green path solution (Kill everyone and put your people in), in this case you won't have any control over the region.

So, based on current information, I'd say the Lords' side or a completely neutral one are the most reasonable paths. This could change in the future; for example, the elves could provide some significant assistance (I doubt it). Well, and personal observation: It seems that on the path of the lords, Elis has more control over the situation.
 

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As Elis himself said, the loyalty of both is seriously questionable.

If I remember correctly, your current vassals (Logarrius and Leonard) don't really like the lords. This could have a negative impact in the future, for example. There's also Lord Gvidon, who's not exactly a pleasant character.

The Rebels aren't very nice people either. Their views could negatively impact the empire's future. The only person I like on this path is Cassius. As for the elves on this path: based on the dialogue, they're a radical cell that operates separately from the other elves. It's unclear how they'll help us further if we pursue this path. Perhaps the elves will trust us more in the future.

As was later explained, the neutral path is essentially the Lords' path, and it only makes sense if you're "FULLY" neutral, meaning you've sacrificed Catalina. If you don't sacrifice, you lose some content.

As much as I don't like Cass's green path solution (Kill everyone and put your people in), in this case you won't have any control over the region.

So, based on current information, I'd say the Lords' side or a completely neutral one are the most reasonable paths. This could change in the future; for example, the elves could provide some significant assistance (I doubt it). Well, and personal observation: It seems that on the path of the lords, Elis has more control over the situation.
btw remind me this, if we choose lord did we lose catalina and josephina from the route ? oh for some reason and dont know how i lose valerie to.
 

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btw remind me this, if we choose lord did we lose catalina and josephina from the route ? oh for some reason and dont know how i lose valerie to.
There were no more scenes with them. But we'll most likely lose Josephine. Catalina will most likely be angry with us. Although if we didn't complete the neutral path, then maybe there will be a possibility of a relationship going forward (I really hope so. I really liked her).
About Valerie: Her son must survive. On the partial neutral path, she won't be there, as her son is likely dead. On the Lords' path, you must spare him. On the Rebel path, you must choose him as leader, not Cassius. On the full neutral path, don't follow Lord Gvidon's advice.
 

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With all my sympathy for elves, playing democracy? Hell, no.
All that remains is to hope that we will have the option to abandon the rebels and keep the elves.
It doesn't seem to me that this is impossible.
Firstly, democracy and a republic do not necessarily go hand-in-hand. Secondly, the Romans had Greek city-states as vassals, HRE had lots of Republic vassals, republic(s) had been established wherever Napoleon conquered, and lastly, the USSR had lots of 'em too. Except for HRE, they were all pretty centralized empires.
 
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As Elis himself said, the loyalty of both is seriously questionable.

If I remember correctly, your current vassals (Logarrius and Leonard) don't really like the lords. This could have a negative impact in the future, for example. There's also Lord Gvidon, who's not exactly a pleasant character.

The Rebels aren't very nice people either. Their views could negatively impact the empire's future. The only person I like on this path is Cassius. As for the elves on this path: based on the dialogue, they're a radical cell that operates separately from the other elves. It's unclear how they'll help us further if we pursue this path. Perhaps the elves will trust us more in the future.

As was later explained, the neutral path is essentially the Lords' path, and it only makes sense if you're "FULLY" neutral, meaning you've sacrificed Catalina. If you don't sacrifice, you lose some content.

As much as I don't like Cass's green path solution (Kill everyone and put your people in), in this case you won't have any control over the region.

So, based on current information, I'd say the Lords' side or a completely neutral one are the most reasonable paths. This could change in the future; for example, the elves could provide some significant assistance (I doubt it). Well, and personal observation: It seems that on the path of the lords, Elis has more control over the situation.
Regarding the entire Western plot, I don't see it that way.

For example, the side of the lords and rebels doesn't exactly depend on the regent.

Helping the rebels goes against the empire's intentions, even if the leaders offer it; it's a disguised thing and I can't imagine it lasting.

On the lords' side, aside from the momentary gratitude for the help, the reality is that nothing changes for them, so why bow down if they didn't actually benefit?

Being neutral is even worse; after all, since they didn't help, why would they bow down to you? This applies to both sides...

The green route, yes, you are effectively giving an advantage to those who are helping you, and this becomes clear when the lords who don't bow are killed without mercy. And you're not just changing the leader's address, since their leader refused and the vassals abandoned him to try to gain more benefits from the regent. Yes, they show they don't possess blind loyalty, but only because the leader was complacent and openly refused to try to improve everyone's lives. At least he was only abandoned and not stabbed in the back...

In short, I think what guarantees greater lasting "loyalty and control" is the green route...

But obviously, this is just a conflict of general views between ours, but we'll see what LM's view is when we get there... we might both be wrong...
 
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