There is wide latitude as to “choice” in VNs. Kinetic Novels have no choice. The story is the story. Visual novels can have different levels of choice, some really impact the game play, some not so much. My point is Devs, I think, go into a creating a VN with a set of assumptions. The creator of this VN, in my opinion, assumes players want to see the mc get nasty. He leaves it up to you as to HOW nasty she can get. The vanilla route is quite bland apart from her posing a lot and avoiding sex. So, when I said, “kind of defeats the purpose of the VN.” I should have stipulated *this* VN. But I digest….I mean... Because choices? Since it's a game and all? I'm genuilly confused by this commentI'm sure 99% don't go full innocence, and even the remaining 1% is probably just for testing purposes. The rest fall in between, choosing when and whom to fuck and just how corrupt they get. Isn't that the whole damn point of these games?
"So what exactly do you do if you avoid fucking everyone in game?" How is avoiding having sex with one character makes you come to this conclusion even? I could ask in the same manner, why even play a game if you gonna just fuck everything in sight? Just watch porn or a let's play of a game on pornhubs and the like. There they will 100% beeline from sex scene to the next, choosing the sluttiest options every time
I can tell you how it starts. In my case at least. Jennifer is happy, feels good about herself... aaaand goes to buy the magic contraception pills
"Now, if you want to play that way it is your choice, but kind of defeats the purpose of the VN."
Umm... Perhaps I'm too new to the world of VN's and AVN's, but. On the contrary, it's the whole point of VN's... to give... choice
You say it yourself, middleground is possible. The "choose and pick" of an AVN is what makes it so interesting to begin with in my opinion.
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Yeah, but I don't think it defeats the purpose in this one either. As you said it "He leaves it up to you as to HOW nasty she can get.", and does so well enough for the most part in my opinion. THAT IS choice. THAT IS what makes these appealing to me at least. Speaking for myself of course. I myself managed to get plenty of action while avoiding a character I didn't like. Minus the latest episode with the club of course, which kind of signals to me it's a about to change.
Hi StrawberryCheese83 ,Could you please ask MA if he maybe wants to fix the last Update, for logical reason?!? If you are on the innocent Path, you are being forced to go out with Fred (even if FMC despise him) and make out with him
I will ask him thursday... But I do not think he may change that... If I remember well, some players already asked about it... ^^!
I do not play innocence route (I play full corruption), I cannot say whether the date in nightclub is avoidable or not.
The sex part of this event is avoidable though...
Best regards.
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The scene is inevitable, a DEV failure, as we should have the choice just like we do with the other characters.
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Imagine Jennifer marrying Mike and on the wedding day, during the party, Fred who was invited as godfather, have sex with Jennifer still dressed as a bride, she was slightly drunk. Fred would take her to the kitchen and sex would be inevitable! While her husband Mike talked to the guests outside the house where the party was taking place... But before, Jennifer would have to choose, alcoholic drink or soda, if the player chooses soda, Jennifer could choose to "go to the kitchen with Fred" or refuse. It would be an epic scene for the end of the game, for those who like cheating scenes in games.
Is not inevitable, in my game Jennifer never met Bruce
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Jennifer shouldn't fuck Fred in the previous game
Hi StrawberryCheese83 ,Could you please ask MA if he maybe wants to fix the last Update, for logical reason?!? If you are on the innocent Path, you are being forced to go out with Fred (even if FMC despise him) and make out with him
I got the reply from the dev. here it is :
I guessed something like that (I did not played the innocence route)... In innocence route, MC is sexually frustrated as well and despite wanting to stay faithfull, alcohol revealed this frustration and she was on the verge to make a mistake...
Best regards.
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Man..you are awesome. Thank you so much. That clears is up...although...i really wish he would have made this Scene optional. My first Gameplay is the "Innocence" Path...and it doesn t fit to the whole Situation with Fred...because "my" Jennifer couldn t stand Fred. Why should she go with Fred to the Club in the first place? Makes no sense at all. MA should have leave it to the Players by Choice, going with Fred to the Club or not. This forced situation felt all wrong..so i didn t get it why MA forced this "Date"...but...it is what it is..! I really hope that he will think about it in the next Update and stop forcing content to the Players that they wouldn t want to see.Hi StrawberryCheese83 ,
I got the reply from the dev. here it is :
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I guessed something like that (I did not played the innocence route)... In innocence route, MC is sexually frustrated as well and despite wanting to stay faithfull, alcohol revealed this frustration and she was on the verge to make a mistake...
Best regards.
Again Man, thank you so much for asking. I owe you one. Stay safe.
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OMFG I said ALCOHOL a long time ago but they did not want to believe.Hi StrawberryCheese83 ,
I got the reply from the dev. here it is :
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I guessed something like that (I did not played the innocence route)... In innocence route, MC is sexually frustrated as well and despite wanting to stay faithfull, alcohol revealed this frustration and she was on the verge to make a mistake...
Best regards.
I respect your choice and dislike for Fred, but Man you are missing out on some prime scenes!Man..you are awesome. Thank you so much. That clears is up...although...i really wish he would have made this Scene optional. My first Gameplay is the "Innocence" Path...and it doesn t fit to the whole Situation with Fred...because "my" Jennifer couldn t stand Fred. Why should she go with Fred to the Club in the first place? Makes no sense at all. MA should have leave it to the Players by Choice, going with Fred to the Club or not. This forced situation felt all wrong..so i didn t get it why MA forced this "Date"...but...it is what it is..! I really hope that he will think about it in the next Update and stop forcing content to the Players that they wouldn t want to see.
Again Man, thank you so much for asking. I owe you one. Stay safe.
It never ceases to amaze me how some people force their vision of the story onto the dev's vision and expect to be exclusively catered to lolMan..you are awesome. Thank you so much. That clears is up...although...i really wish he would have made this Scene optional. My first Gameplay is the "Innocence" Path...and it doesn t fit to the whole Situation with Fred...because "my" Jennifer couldn t stand Fred. Why should she go with Fred to the Club in the first place? Makes no sense at all. MA should have leave it to the Players by Choice, going with Fred to the Club or not. This forced situation felt all wrong..so i didn t get it why MA forced this "Date"...but...it is what it is..! I really hope that he will think about it in the next Update and stop forcing content to the Players that they wouldn t want to see.
Again Man, thank you so much for asking. I owe you one. Stay safe.
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This is the best game on the whole site, so polished and amazing
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Could it be that if you don't steal money from the cafe till, the story doesn't progress in that job?
Hi StrawberryCheese83,Man..you are awesome. Thank you so much. That clears is up...although...i really wish he would have made this Scene optional. My first Gameplay is the "Innocence" Path...and it doesn t fit to the whole Situation with Fred...because "my" Jennifer couldn t stand Fred. Why should she go with Fred to the Club in the first place? Makes no sense at all. MA should have leave it to the Players by Choice, going with Fred to the Club or not. This forced situation felt all wrong..so i didn t get it why MA forced this "Date"...but...it is what it is..! I really hope that he will think about it in the next Update and stop forcing content to the Players that they wouldn t want to see.
Again Man, thank you so much for asking. I owe you one. Stay safe.
You are welcome...
I guess we all have imagined scenes here and there different from what the dev did. The point that was rightly said above is the game belongs to the dev, hence he tells HIS story. ^^!
I also add that devs may want to involve people (mostly subscribers if they have a Patreon for example) in the development process (through polls about some storyline ideas), many do... But only within the limits they (the devs) define.
You said that you want your MC, that you play, despise her landlord, ok...
But...
Is that actually a feature the dev put in the game ? I mean through some options of choice, lines of text, MC's behavior or any other mean ? I never saw that but as I said, I did not play all routes...
If it is not in the game, I think you must face again content that will not work with your way to play the game...
That said, here you highlight something important... I got the dev point of view : the nightclub date, THIS date, was not only meant for corruption routes but for all of them...
BUT, we are legit to want that a faithfull MC, that barely did a mistake with her landlord because of alcohol, may never want to date him again... Or at least be more cautious with alcohol... I do not know...
I may ask the dev but I trust him to build something acceptable in this case
: he said in his reply above that MC knows now what may happen if she drinks too much alcohol... He showed there he is aware a faithful MC cannot date her landlord again as if nothing happened...Best regards.