VN Ren'Py Innocent Witches [v0.11.2 Beta Fix3] [Sad Crab]

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poodles

poodles

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anyone have the most recent update for Mac? the one on the main page closes out saying it's for a test version.
 
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kitsunedawn said:
Allow me to explain my position: I am a professional developer myself. I currently work for an indie developer (non H game). We don't have a Patreon, we don't get paid. There are also three of us in total. In less than six months, we've released four times as much content as this developer has. This game, regardless of what you may think about the developer, is by its definition, stuck in development hell.

Here's the definition of "Development Hell": Development hell, development purgatory, and development limbo are media and software industry jargon for a project, concept, or idea that remains in development for an especially long time, often moving between different crews, scripts, game engines, or studios before it progresses to production, if it ever does. Projects in development hell generally have very ambitious goals, which may or may not be underestimated in the design phase, and are delayed in an attempt to meet those goals in a high degree.

Here's a link of games that went through development hell:

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I am not looking at this from the perspective of a player. I'm looking at the issues the game has due to the developer's behavior to this point.
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They missed one in that list. Falcon 4 was a horrible failure. They waited so long, the operating system changed twice and they had to start over each time.
 
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Scove said:
They missed one in that list. Falcon 4 was a horrible failure. They waited so long, the operating system changed twice and they had to start over each time.
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Development hell generally happens if a game takes more than 3 or 4 years for production. I don't know off hand how long Fallout 4 took.
 
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kitsunedawn said:
Development hell generally happens if a game takes more than 3 or 4 years for production. I don't know off hand how long Fallout 4 took.
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No Falcon 4. Falcon was a game based around the F16 Falcon. Falcon 3 was great. Falcon 4 took over 10 years to complete while the OS for a computer went from DOS to Windows 3.1 and finally Windows ME.
 
KimMelo

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I've played this game 4 years ago, when i finally remembered of it, it still are in development with almost 0 h-scenes.
I'will wait 4 more yeas then try to comeback to see if something has changed lol
 
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Vyze009

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Ok so i am confused playing android, whats this new old plot new thing? Seems Sex Scenes are missable? Like even on the walktrough says to click on pensive in tue prologue after talking to minerva but that would skip her scene (good thing i clicked on her lol) then i have this dialog with Xandria that can get to kiss but nothing else seems to happen, man i love the Art and HP theme but i am confused as hell
 
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Vyze009 said:
Ok so i am confused playing android, whats this new old plot new thing? Seems Sex Scenes are missable? Like even on the walktrough says to click on pensive in tue prologue after talking to minerva but that would skip her scene (good thing i clicked on her lol) then i have this dialog with Xandria that can get to kiss but nothing else seems to happen, man i love the Art and HP theme but i am confused as hell
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New plot is that they hired a new writer and are redoing old things
 
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kitsunedawn said:
Development hell generally happens if a game takes more than 3 or 4 years for production. I don't know off hand how long Fallout 4 took.
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So apparently four elements trainer was in development hell from that definition. Or Undertale also.
Turns out if you want to have good writing and/or good art it takes time.
For example the first Harry Potter novel took 6 years to write.
 
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beldr said:
So apparently four elements trainer was in development hell from that definition. Or Undertale also.
Turns out if you want to have good writing and/or good art it takes time.
For example the first Harry Potter novel took 6 years to write.
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Development hell does not always mean the thing being produced won't ever be completed. (That's something entirely different called "Vapor Ware") Rather that it is taking far longer than what the average time to completion for a similar product should take. A good example of this, would be Star Citizen... which is pushing 10 years of development with no real progress on many of, if not most of the promised features or promised starships. Another great example is the game "Duke Nukem Forever." That game was stuck in a development hell that not only saw the company producing it completely shutting down and getting bought, but also took 14 years to finally produce. When it did finally release, unfortunately, it was garbage.

Whatever the case, "Development hell" simply means something is taking, on average, longer than it should take under reasonable circumstances.

For an indie game of any genre, the average time to completion is at most two years. They need the game released in that time frame or they are going to make a loss due to changes in technology, player interest, and hype for the game. The longer it takes for production to complete, regardless of the reason, the more it counts against the indie game developer.
 
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