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This game legitimately makes me feel stupid. I don't think I should be having this much trouble.
It is frustratingly obtuse at times, Innocent Witches really does feel like a game made by people who don't know how to make a game. No one on its staff seems to have any game design acumen, at times I wonder if they've played any games at all. Combine that with a shaky translation, an abundance of single use mechanics, easily missed instructions, and a lack of progress and the game can definitely feel more difficult than it actually is at times. Especially that goddamn swimsuit section.
Chapter 4 objectives have been updated to make it more clear. We will be revisiting some of the previous stuff to make it better. We were focused on pushing new content and that has been why it seems that bad. I didn't make the swimsuit quest, so apologies. I do understand there are many sections where one can get lost, we will get around to making it better.
If I can make a recommendation if you haven't already done this, the most obvious thing you need to work on is the journal system. By which I mean your mission log needs to me more specific or provide fairly obvious hints about what to do next for any given mission. Remember that you're making a game about sex, not an epic, sprawling adventure. People are out to fap and the most successful games on patreon and by extension this site focus on content delivery, not content unlocking. Simplification and providing direction would help you most at this point.
Also, some actual sex scenes would probably help.
For days I'm stuck and can't accomplish the objectives "use legilemency on Ginny's mind" and "Unlock the diary with the thing Ginny thinks most about" actually dialog is always the same and she always can't concentrate on one of the things.
I basically should have all the means to achieve these tasks and wander how often one should summon her what I'm doing wrong. (legilemency level 1)
I'm also curious on the achievement to catch Daphne torturing (as it seems) Susan how and when is this possible?
I basically should have all the means to achieve these tasks and wander how often one should summon her what I'm doing wrong. (legilemency level 1)
I'm also curious on the achievement to catch Daphne torturing (as it seems) Susan how and when is this possible?
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Just want to give a small review of the game. I think it's 95% great but minor bad gameplay decisions make it infuriating at times and really difficult to play.
First of all, some quests are really dragged. Path is unclear. Complicated things gets even worse with many unneeded options. Swimsuit quest is a good example. You start gathering panties earlier than needed, at some point you do that for no reason and hope to gain any progress. Then you get a week long quest to swap swimsuits where it's impossible to tell if you are doing it wrong or not until next week. Just make a stop point on every swap that says you did everything right, a way to track remaining girls and don't rollback at the end of the week.
Economy is a joke, you need money to progress and the way to get it is bad.
Tutorial girl feels useless and annoying. I know you can turn it off but at this point I have no clue what's the purpose of those "new zones" she announces all the time. She needs some better integration to play some role in the game. Probably a bug, but had troubles unlocking her wardrobe because I talked to mermaid in Prologue and returned her clams (how could I know 2 minutes after starting the game). So mermaid left, I have a red line in my quest log and unable to level-up tutorial girl for the rest of the game.
I really like that this game is more "tease" type than most other adult games. With seamless progression such games are really fun to play. But I don't agree with giving sex scene (the one with Minerva) at the very beginning of the game. Really confusing and affects later experience. This scene does not even impact later dialogues... I assume it was just a way to please fans and will be moved to the later parts when game is closer to be complete? Same problem with start menu background. Gives you false expectations.
Slow start. It really feels like game is unfinished when you get locked in your room at the beginning of act 1. Many options that does nothing, nothing happening, takes too long, feels like you are stuck. Probably the worst thing to do in game design is to give bad early impression.
Menu issues. Saving/Loading is harder than it should be. No Save/Load button in the menu. No way to switch to loading from save menu and the other way around. Clock menu. With the way game works right now you really need a way to switch dates. Not just "wake up, set time to 10pm, go to sleep, repeat for 4 weeks or until weekends".
In general, I really like the game. It's a rare thing to see such detailed and high quality artworks. When even interface design and sound compliment it well. Really well done there. I wish you good luck finishing this game. Hope it does not take 10 more years
First of all, some quests are really dragged. Path is unclear. Complicated things gets even worse with many unneeded options. Swimsuit quest is a good example. You start gathering panties earlier than needed, at some point you do that for no reason and hope to gain any progress. Then you get a week long quest to swap swimsuits where it's impossible to tell if you are doing it wrong or not until next week. Just make a stop point on every swap that says you did everything right, a way to track remaining girls and don't rollback at the end of the week.
Economy is a joke, you need money to progress and the way to get it is bad.
Tutorial girl feels useless and annoying. I know you can turn it off but at this point I have no clue what's the purpose of those "new zones" she announces all the time. She needs some better integration to play some role in the game. Probably a bug, but had troubles unlocking her wardrobe because I talked to mermaid in Prologue and returned her clams (how could I know 2 minutes after starting the game). So mermaid left, I have a red line in my quest log and unable to level-up tutorial girl for the rest of the game.
I really like that this game is more "tease" type than most other adult games. With seamless progression such games are really fun to play. But I don't agree with giving sex scene (the one with Minerva) at the very beginning of the game. Really confusing and affects later experience. This scene does not even impact later dialogues... I assume it was just a way to please fans and will be moved to the later parts when game is closer to be complete? Same problem with start menu background. Gives you false expectations.
Slow start. It really feels like game is unfinished when you get locked in your room at the beginning of act 1. Many options that does nothing, nothing happening, takes too long, feels like you are stuck. Probably the worst thing to do in game design is to give bad early impression.
Menu issues. Saving/Loading is harder than it should be. No Save/Load button in the menu. No way to switch to loading from save menu and the other way around. Clock menu. With the way game works right now you really need a way to switch dates. Not just "wake up, set time to 10pm, go to sleep, repeat for 4 weeks or until weekends".
In general, I really like the game. It's a rare thing to see such detailed and high quality artworks. When even interface design and sound compliment it well. Really well done there. I wish you good luck finishing this game. Hope it does not take 10 more years
locomakle
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Been lurking the game since may 2018 wanting to play it and i have to say it's sad that something with so much potential is still with this "broken" release form, not only that but having to replay the entire game with every update (risking to doing that in an update with critical bugs that you won't see until a good chunk of playtime) kills the depth of the story by burning out the player. Hopefully there the save compatibility will be here soon after the rework (hope is all i can have) but untill then all i can say is
pdj123
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You don't have to replay the whole game though, you can just start in the newest chapter...Been lurking the game since may 2018 wanting to play it and i have to say it's sad that something with so much potential is still with this "broken" release form, not only that but having to replay the entire game with every update (risking to doing that in an update with critical bugs that you won't see until a good chunk of playtime) kills the depth of the story by burning out the player. Hopefully there the save compatibility will be here soon after the rework (hope is all i can have) but untill then all i can say is
I'd just like to say that, with the exception of the swimsuit quest (which with maybe 3 minutes of brain power, a trained monkey can figure out) the game is pleasantly difficult. It forces you to pace your progression a little bit. I found myself forgetting at times I was playing a fap game and was just enjoying the art and the subtle, yet almost innocent corruption themes. The translation, as far as I've found, has been excellent. A couple typo's here and there but nothing that anyone has any reasonable cause to complain about.
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Man, not only the game is full of text and slight teasing, leaving the actual good parts (the very few ones this has) to the very end, but also, every time the make a fucking update, you loose all your progress. Let that sink in; all the progress of a clicking nightmare full of text and even with some absurdly complex quests (the guys who made this game actually had to put out a walkthrough for some of the stuff, because it was convoluted as fuck). Then, they tell you "yo, nevermind, you can re-start the game from the latest chapter if you want", but the don't tell you that you loose all your advancements with the girls, you need to redo some quests, grind your stats and farm money. So yeah... I think I'm going to forget about this overly well drawn crap for a year or two until it's actually finished and I have regained the patience for replaying it.
jackofshadows
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Because people here aparrantly tenfold more appreciate various 3d-DAZ kind of games, much fewer give a crap about art and 2d in general, especially if it's completely static (at least, this is not the case). This game however, has been received more attention than similiar due to dubious development history and outstanding 2d look at the same time.
Yeah, many people did mention that
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Jarul
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Well, a lot of people including myself forget that all the time while playing because there is almost nothing to fap to
And yet some of the most popular games on here are 2D. People don't like 3D DAZ games more than 2D, they're simply far easier to produce content for than 2D games are and therefore get updated far more often and more consistently than 2D games do. Thus these 3D games get more attention because people get what they want quicker.Because people here aparrantly tenfold more appreciate various 3d-DAZ kind of games, much fewer give a crap about art and 2d in general, especially if it's completely static (at least, this is not the case). This game however, has been received more attention than similiar due to dubious development history and outstanding 2d look at the same time.
Yeah, many people did mention that
jackofshadows
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Define popular then, otherwise you have nice self-contradictory there. Even Summertime Saga has fewer reviews, likes and discussion than Being a DIK and SS's the only exception (to be close at least) I know of. Also, I wouldn't be so sure about production difficulty. All that new flashy animation and top-quality renders're require a lot of time and skill to invest, it's just don't require to be an artist.
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I guess a lot of 3d guys would take an exepction of you calling them grunts. They are artist too. Especialy ones that create models.
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Nothing contradictory about my post. 3D games on average are quicker to update since it takes a lot less work and proficiency to make them than it does to animate a 2D game. There's a reason 3D animation almost completely supplanted 2D animation in film and television. Summertime Saga would be the most popular game on the site if it updated more than twice a year, which does not happen simply because it takes far, far longer to produce quality content for. The simple fact of the matter is that it's far easier to snatch up or alter a handful of premade animation ready character models, using premade assets for environments, and even already made animation sets to create a game with. As a result a 3D based game can develop a far more active fan base by being a far more active project. That's what gets attention from the average person, having a game more regularly pop up on the updated list leads to more views, leads to more discussion, leads to more reviews. This isn't opinion, this is fact.