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I guess I’ll start with the obvious: yes, this game takes unreasonable amount of time to make — even if you disregard all the time before the old writer finally bugged off. That said, I actually tried to help with remaking first chapters and failed miserably to do anything for real life reasons — so now I’m way less inclined to bitch about development speed as I know for a fact that I wouldn’t do it any faster. I would still be pissed if I was paying for it, but as someone who’s waiting for a few specific things before spending any money — no, I’m not about to critique the development speed. The faster guys work — the faster they’ll get my money — nothing more, nothing less.
So now with this out of the way. I honestly think that 0.6 version deserves more praise than it gets. Mainly for reworking the HORRIBLE opening chapters. I understand that people here don’t care about this game as a whole and want new content they didn’t see yet (understandable), but making it a cohesive experience from start to finish is really important in the long run. And rewriting fixed some of the main problems I’ve had:
- Prologue chapters are way faster now, only important stuff remains;
- That includes «gameplay» stuff since you don’t have to repeat every little thing 4 times anymore;
- MC is not a pathetic useless drunk anymore. He does have an unlucky moment with having to talk to students while hangover, but he is rather adequate most of the time. And people aren’t nearly as into hating him as they were in original version. I’ll never understand why original writer wanted MC to be a useless bitch with no social skills, but I’m very happy to see this gone.
Sadly, it did create some problems in the process — mainly that reworked chapters clearly do not flow into later non-reworked ones, but that is a great start and it’s obvious that this will be fixed later.
As for new content... Well, yes, there is not a whole lot of it. But I have to say that both playing and reading with Hermione here gets to me more than most big content updates with XXXX NEW RENDERS for other games on this site (and I’m not saying I don’t like those — I do). Both writing and art are succeeding in making this situations hot as fuck AND it doesn’t feel like Hermione got brainless all of a sudden. She isn’t, however, written as a complete stuck-up bitch anymore (mostly) and has actual chemistry with MC. Awesome.
Oh, and other girls are fine too. Whatever (just kidding, but Hermione is Best Girl).
That said, there are a lot of things I still think this game needs to do:
- More content. «Duh, you think?». Yes, but allow me to be more specific, since I’m not just talking about the art. For example, old Hermione’s puzzle minigame still needs better rewards (or at least for it to go back to 3 levels it had previously instead of 9 it has now) — and good dialog can be a reward if done correctly, but instead you just have multiple repeats of the same shit.
- The same goes for old minigames with other characters, honestly.
- And the same goes for the new word guessing minigame... I guess. I didn’t play the latest patch (no way I’m playing every version till we have save transfer between versions), so I’m sorry if it’s already fixed, but: if content you are getting is random than at least make sure that all content you are getting is NEW, otherwise it’s getting tedious even on easy. I honestly think that any option for witch you’ve seen all the content should just be excluded from play — either inside the code or by Hermione saying something like «Enough kisses» or «I don’t really have more secrets to share» or «Sorry, I’m not sure I can drink anymore» and removing the respected pic from roulette. Still, just removing all those after a couple scenes is not optimal. It would be much better to simply have more content. More secrets from Hermione in different states of drunkenness. More kisses with some steady progression of their passion. More drinking and talking about said drinks. Different dialogs for when you ask her to repeatedly do stuff. I’m not saying that writing is easy, but it certainly is faster that drawing, so that is some content that can be added while waiting for great, but slow art (or for coding, or for whatever is the main bottleneck now).
- That said, I do believe that this game needs more art as well. And in that regard I kinda feel like there is too much emphasis on making huge scenes with a lot of changing parts. Obviously it’s easier to make one art with 10 revisions than 10 totally different pieces of art, but it would still be great to have a single pic to show up here and there — things like an early nude photo of a mysterious somebody from slytherin. For example, it would be great to have an actual new art for a sexy photo of your chosen waifu instead of her simple sprite you’ve seen a million times. And to see MC and Hermy kissing instead of a black screen — simple small pic zoomed on their faced would be enough. And to see girls during their discussions in swimsuits. You know, more things like CGs from visual novels — single-time art pieces for the most important (and/or sexy) scenes.
- I hope we’ll get an option to jump to a chosen day instead of being forced to wait till evening and then getting to sleep if we have to skip a day. Right now the amount of clicks around the time management part of gameplay is ridiculous and not fun at all. And I honestly don’t think that Sad_Crab needs to pad the game’s runtime in that way — there is enough actual content (not necessarily sexual) for it not to become short.
...I guess I’ll stop now. Not that it’s impossible to continue, but the length of this post already got out of hand. Sorry.
TL;DR: Innocent Witches got a lot better with v0.6. If v0.7 continues to deliver new content (especially for Hermione) while finishing reworking of the earlier chapters — I might actually pay for it finally. And I’ll surely do it if saves stop breaking between versions.
So now with this out of the way. I honestly think that 0.6 version deserves more praise than it gets. Mainly for reworking the HORRIBLE opening chapters. I understand that people here don’t care about this game as a whole and want new content they didn’t see yet (understandable), but making it a cohesive experience from start to finish is really important in the long run. And rewriting fixed some of the main problems I’ve had:
- Prologue chapters are way faster now, only important stuff remains;
- That includes «gameplay» stuff since you don’t have to repeat every little thing 4 times anymore;
- MC is not a pathetic useless drunk anymore. He does have an unlucky moment with having to talk to students while hangover, but he is rather adequate most of the time. And people aren’t nearly as into hating him as they were in original version. I’ll never understand why original writer wanted MC to be a useless bitch with no social skills, but I’m very happy to see this gone.
Sadly, it did create some problems in the process — mainly that reworked chapters clearly do not flow into later non-reworked ones, but that is a great start and it’s obvious that this will be fixed later.
As for new content... Well, yes, there is not a whole lot of it. But I have to say that both playing and reading with Hermione here gets to me more than most big content updates with XXXX NEW RENDERS for other games on this site (and I’m not saying I don’t like those — I do). Both writing and art are succeeding in making this situations hot as fuck AND it doesn’t feel like Hermione got brainless all of a sudden. She isn’t, however, written as a complete stuck-up bitch anymore (mostly) and has actual chemistry with MC. Awesome.
Oh, and other girls are fine too. Whatever (just kidding, but Hermione is Best Girl).
That said, there are a lot of things I still think this game needs to do:
- More content. «Duh, you think?». Yes, but allow me to be more specific, since I’m not just talking about the art. For example, old Hermione’s puzzle minigame still needs better rewards (or at least for it to go back to 3 levels it had previously instead of 9 it has now) — and good dialog can be a reward if done correctly, but instead you just have multiple repeats of the same shit.
- The same goes for old minigames with other characters, honestly.
- And the same goes for the new word guessing minigame... I guess. I didn’t play the latest patch (no way I’m playing every version till we have save transfer between versions), so I’m sorry if it’s already fixed, but: if content you are getting is random than at least make sure that all content you are getting is NEW, otherwise it’s getting tedious even on easy. I honestly think that any option for witch you’ve seen all the content should just be excluded from play — either inside the code or by Hermione saying something like «Enough kisses» or «I don’t really have more secrets to share» or «Sorry, I’m not sure I can drink anymore» and removing the respected pic from roulette. Still, just removing all those after a couple scenes is not optimal. It would be much better to simply have more content. More secrets from Hermione in different states of drunkenness. More kisses with some steady progression of their passion. More drinking and talking about said drinks. Different dialogs for when you ask her to repeatedly do stuff. I’m not saying that writing is easy, but it certainly is faster that drawing, so that is some content that can be added while waiting for great, but slow art (or for coding, or for whatever is the main bottleneck now).
- That said, I do believe that this game needs more art as well. And in that regard I kinda feel like there is too much emphasis on making huge scenes with a lot of changing parts. Obviously it’s easier to make one art with 10 revisions than 10 totally different pieces of art, but it would still be great to have a single pic to show up here and there — things like an early nude photo of a mysterious somebody from slytherin. For example, it would be great to have an actual new art for a sexy photo of your chosen waifu instead of her simple sprite you’ve seen a million times. And to see MC and Hermy kissing instead of a black screen — simple small pic zoomed on their faced would be enough. And to see girls during their discussions in swimsuits. You know, more things like CGs from visual novels — single-time art pieces for the most important (and/or sexy) scenes.
- I hope we’ll get an option to jump to a chosen day instead of being forced to wait till evening and then getting to sleep if we have to skip a day. Right now the amount of clicks around the time management part of gameplay is ridiculous and not fun at all. And I honestly don’t think that Sad_Crab needs to pad the game’s runtime in that way — there is enough actual content (not necessarily sexual) for it not to become short.
...I guess I’ll stop now. Not that it’s impossible to continue, but the length of this post already got out of hand. Sorry.
TL;DR: Innocent Witches got a lot better with v0.6. If v0.7 continues to deliver new content (especially for Hermione) while finishing reworking of the earlier chapters — I might actually pay for it finally. And I’ll surely do it if saves stop breaking between versions.
boxfresh123999
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Actually it seems to me that it's all too common for the MC in these types of games to be a complete and total jerkwad. I find it very off putting to be expected to play that sort of role so I've tried and deleted a lot of games just for that reason.
boxfresh123999
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It's from someone who's a patreon on their discord so I guess one of the recent news posts could have said or something in one of the patreon channels?
At the very least he's not a rapist. So many of the games you find on this site involve the player character either sexually assaulting or straight up raping his friends and family in their sleep. The pieces of a great game exist in Innocent Witches, the team just does not have what it takes to pull it off. As a result the art will always be held back by the game.
Agreed. That scene is seriously rape-y, and it is even badly written: comes out of nowhere and doesn’t fit MC usual behavior. I still wonder why they did not redo that scene when they redid the intro. Joe banks told me it was just too much confusing code.
Guys I need a little help. I can't use diadem on Marcus, it says something to do with expelled girl I don't know what to do and other one is "make a bet about the girls" I talked to Snape but it show no option about bet to talk with him.
Draccon99
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If I remember right you are on the dark path, and you expeled one of the girls she should come back on her own in a week or two if my memory good, I don't remember about the bet thing maybe the girl need to come back first for that.
While I mostly agree with you there's a couple of things where I don't. Making you choose a girl feels like you're missing on content (and I don't know if you actually do) and it leads to some plotholes (like Susan saying "Oh, it's true that he's gay" if you aren't on her path that line comes out of nowhere). This game has low replayability value so I don't see why you should not be able to play all routes at the same time (and have it be something different, not four times the same date, but four different dates). Maybe two paths, light and dark only.
I wonder where the original author planned to go with the sister story, though. If he planned to go anywhere at all, that is.
I know there would be no porn cg of it yet (give it another 20 years), but has the plot started to hint at any eventual content featuring Nola yet? I know she's not one of the main 4 girls, but way back in the day when I tried this thing she was my favourite visual design in the game.
This game feels like an exhausting PnC story with really basic erotic stories and scenes. The dev might just remove the lewd scenes and it still will be 98% of the current game. Very unrewarding.
Oh that's right, I forgot about that thing. It's been so long since I saw it that I forgot it starts out as a rape scene. Well I take that back, he's just as bad. I hope they rework that scene at some point as it doesn't fit with how the game has turned out since then.
I wish they'd spend less time on these mini games. it does not fit to the rest: you grind yourself through walls of text and grind updating your stats, do unrewarding chords (like the swimsuit-from-hell-task) just to play child games to see some nude pics. Plus, they aren't even that fun (granted, that is subjective).
I really like the art (see my profile to believe), and I think JoeBanks impacted the game tremendously, but now I hope they will return to storyline riddles as opposed to yet another mini game, which hampers my immersion into the game. It set out to be a porn trainer game, and now we play kids games.
Ask yourself this, would you ever play these mini games if you could play them separately with no reward (nude pic)?
I really like the art (see my profile to believe), and I think JoeBanks impacted the game tremendously, but now I hope they will return to storyline riddles as opposed to yet another mini game, which hampers my immersion into the game. It set out to be a porn trainer game, and now we play kids games.
Ask yourself this, would you ever play these mini games if you could play them separately with no reward (nude pic)?
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DigitalFire
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But that's not a good argument, I hesitate to play most games with no sexual reward.
Fuck mini-games tho, there are smarter ways to make us work for progression and the execution of that progression is what makes or breaks gameplay. It shouldn't feel too easy but it also shouldn't make us want to kill ourselves.
No one got any tips for this? I mean I have gone so far I haved guessed two of the core girl's "code" for the diary.. but still ginny say she cant concetrate and the game gives me 0 tips