VN Ren'Py Innocent Witches [v0.12 Alpha] [Sad Crab]

[okapaa]

I must say good joke with the "10k should release content each month", have you seen Summertime Saga?, think they have content each 4 month if you are lucky. And they are way over 10k...
That said no creator did ever release patches each 2-3 weeks as you suggest even if they are up in 10k+

So just because someone else is a scammer, this somehow excuses them?

And getting 10k a month means that some of them should've quit their jobs and started working full time on the game (that's what they promised). Someone working 7-8 hours a day (full time) would finish a considerably big update in less than a month

 

[okapaa]

I was supportive about the project before and I was waiting for 0.5B to try the content out but there's a general rule that more money a project gets, the development becomes gradually slower. That's true for most if not all the projects I've been watching. It's a downside to the donation type of income. Instead of coming up with a good finished project and enjoy its' success after the work is done, developers just start to enjoy that decent level of income and it makes them slower throughout the development process. It's especially obvious for Russian devs. Kinda ironic that the "support" affects development in opposite way than it should.

Because they know they can get away with it. The longer they can stretch the updates, the more money they can keep earning. Examples of this that I've had the (dis)pleasure to encounter: Waifu Academia, Mythic Manor, Harem Hotel, being a DIK, etc

Then you see some japanese devs making eroges and nukiges that manage to finish games 10 times bigger for a fraction of the time a western dev needs, and a fraction of the money some random patreon milker gets a month

 

[JoeBanks]

Because they know they can get away with it. The longer they can stretch the updates, the more money they can keep earning. Examples of this that I've had the (dis)pleasure to encounter: Waifu Academia, Mythic Manor, Harem Hotel, being a DIK, etc

Then you see some japanese devs making eroges and nukiges that manage to finish games 10 times bigger for a fraction of the time a western dev needs, and a fraction of the money some random patreon milker gets a month

Japanese work culture is insane. Comparing studios that pump out content and work in larger teams (we have 2 artists total) isn't fair.

If you want to by cynical, the least you could do it make fair comparisons.

Doing math on how much team members should make is also, your perspective on things.

 

[Jaun Karr]

In that case, shall we use Mr.Dots as an example who last year was working on and releasing 2 games simultaneously; 'Dating My Daughter' & 'Melody'.

 

[SemperFudge13]

My first scene with Luna on the bed after tutoring doesnt seem to end? any recommended fixes?

 

[SemperFudge13]

My first scene with Luna on the bed after tutoring doesnt seem to end? any recommended fixes?

NVM FIGURED IT OUT the UI was missing so i had to slap my random keys to make it pop up

 

[Zellemate]

So just because someone else is a scammer, this somehow excuses them?

And getting 10k a month means that some of them should've quit their jobs and started working full time on the game (that's what they promised). Someone working 7-8 hours a day (full time) would finish a considerably big update in less than a month

I'm not saying either is scammers, but 10k per month does not equal content each month, unless the dev. have said that.
And I do agree if they said 10k will result in some of them working on the game nonstop, lets hope they are true to their own word. And lets hope they also are willing to talk about who will work on it as a day job, to let everyone know what is going on.
We will have to wait and see I guess.

 

[Draccon99]

NVM FIGURED IT OUT the UI was missing so i had to slap my random keys to make it pop up

I have the same problem, remember what did you "slap" to proceed?

 

[Moosy]

I must say good joke with the "10k should release content each month", have you seen Summertime Saga?, think they have content each 4 month if you are lucky. And they are way over 10k...
That said no creator did ever release patches each 2-3 weeks as you suggest even if they are up in 10k+

He thinks that more money makes people code and draw faster lmao

 

[Marpocastra]

Joe Banks is a good man, leave him alone.

I also had this retarded mentality of "They are getting so much money! Why aren't they releasing more updates faster?!", but honestly if you aren't paying anything out of your own pocket, then you have the right to shut the fuck up and thank other people for funding these games that you get for free. (if you were a real patron, you would be complaining to them directly on Patreon where you would definitely get a response)

People waste a shitload of money on stuff that you might think aren't worth it all the time.. The only difference between you complaining about people spending real money to buy dresses for their fictional character in an EA game, and you complaining about people supporting an indie porn game developer on a site where their game is being downloaded for free; is that the indie porn game developer will actually give a shit enough to respond to you and offer legitimate excuses for delays to someone pirating their game, while EA won't even give you the courtesy of telling you that they would rather personally shove your worthless opinion up your ass before letting it affect a single cent of their bottom line.

 

[Qdpb]

Yeah, I've never understood the whole insult the developer thing. What, you think it'll suddenly shame them and make them actually do what you want? You're more likely to get them to do less work out of spite

 

[okapaa]

He thinks that more money makes people code and draw faster lmao

More money = more chances for the coders to be taking the games as a full time employment job and spending 35-40 hours a week at least at coding, drawing some pngs for the main events. 2 months = 300 hours or more per person. How is this so hard for some of you to understand?

 

[JoeBanks]

I'm not saying either is scammers, but 10k per month does not equal content each month, unless the dev. have said that.
And I do agree if they said 10k will result in some of them working on the game nonstop, lets hope they are true to their own word. And lets hope they also are willing to talk about who will work on it as a day job, to let everyone know what is going on.
We will have to wait and see I guess.

Calling myself out, we did say it.

Funny enough, I originally wanted to do sprints with lanes and 2 week release cycles. No one was on board Also, my deadlines plus all the stuff I add mechanic wise are insane.

Lastly, the push was initially on art this last release, we noted it on our map. Then... *I* had a ton of work, and went right into 3 weeks of vacation for the holidays.

So... it was my fault. But hey, I try, and that's all I can do, when we drop the release today, at least I can say it was a 10 day delay from the plans on the map.

Also, everyone has a right to be mad, I am glad you guys like (or hate, I can never tell) the game enough to participate talking about it. Hope you guys had great holidays and enjoyed your family (if you like your family)! With that note, we will be working on 0.5F which is not a content release. It should be a fixing release, although art will be worked on in the background for 0.6A.

 

[JoeBanks]

Yeah, I've never understood the whole insult the developer thing. What, you think it'll suddenly shame them and make them actually do what you want? You're more likely to get them to do less work out of spite

I don't get paid, no one can force me to do anything. It's this perfect thing where I am accountable to no one.

However, caring about people enjoying the game kinda screws that all up. Lastly, if it got to me, I just would stop visiting the site. I mean it does sometimes, so I take breaks.

 

[JoeBanks]

Lastly, I was up until 4am working on the release, woke up around 8am and then worked on the game more...

I come here and...

 

[Darth Nyvol]

I've a question for one of you could answer? On Sep 20, 4f was release to public and we told that follow up would be in a month or so! 5A was release on Nov 13 or 54 days after the 4F. As of the today it has been 55 days since 5A. I understand that the holidays were here and things take precedent, but it does seem that they are taking time. Maybe the dev should plan a better release schedule in the future.

 

[JoeBanks]

We skipped the month of November on the map, we are 10 days behind the end of December.

All our releases are *supposed* to be end of month.

 

[Darth Nyvol]

We skipped the month of November on the map, we are 10 days behind the end of December.

All our releases are *supposed* to be end of month.
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Thank you for response. Most of us know what it take write code. What upset people that you tell them that you are going to do by this time and then you don't. I do think that you should revise your time schedule in the future.

 

[FriendlyBear12]

They missed the date again? It's already jan 11.

 

[Zaiaku]

Maybe where your from, it's barely 7:30 PM Jan 10 over on my timezone.