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1/ Amateurs need feedback too. For the several shitty ones that just say "lol ur game broken" there's others like me who report things properly. The game's clearly not being made by English-speakers so that's a problem to begin with. Amateurs don't get a pass because they're starting out, this game is 3 years old. You don't get a participation trophy because you did your best but came up short. That's not how this works, you set out to start a business you don't get out of bankruptcy after mismanaging assets because you "did your best" with your spending. Stop it.
It's i try to say dude no one here try to understand or even give him a thank you for what he do it's not right pal.
You can say wathever you want but it's not cool the dev try or i think he try to give us a good game but some reason he's not the best game but i deal with it.
2/ Yeah who's to know, do you know? I sure don't. Speculation happens when a game mysteriously goes from 80% done to 100% and nothing's said about it. It's a natural reaction to the unknown. Unless you have hard facts and direct quotes you have no ground to stand on to tell people to stop speculating because that's what people do.
You right i don't know but i don't care the dev don't owe me anything.
People here are like they pay a game no they don't pay anything they support a game nothing less if you thing the dev owe you something you're wrong mate.
The dev do what he likes he does what he want US we can just support him or give him some feedback nothing more not criticism a game just because it fells rushed or because it still buggy it's stupid.
Now if the dev say screw this game i don't do anything about it what you can do about it nothing mate just deal with it that what i say there's feedback and bad criticism saying the game is buggy it's a bad criticism saying the game need be better in his ending's characters it's a good feedback that's the point.
3/ The argument is childish. Geseeki is easily the WORST, LAZIEST dev on Patreon but I'm not comparing his work to any other game. When I talk about it, unless it's explicitly necessary I will only speak about his game on his own merits. Simply put, someone else doing something shitty doesn't make it okay for you to do it, otherwise the fucking planet would be chaos.
This game is 3 years old, it took that long to make.. this. By your logic, your standard, if I were to compare it to other games then I've seen games made by start-ups begin and finish within that timeframe, being an amateur isn't an excuse anymore especially when there's so many resources readily available to the public for free that you could use to learn to code. There's free online courses, there's a trillion Youtube videos and support forums, this one being one of them, etc. You're defending the game even though no one's attacked it.
1) My argument is childish but you're complain too that's my point the only thing people say it's the game still buggy the english it's not good.
Speaking about the narrative dude this game it's not depraved awakening who's care about the narrative this game don't even want that a good story just a small story to explain what you do.
For me this game it's the same as Panthea just the same not a good story but some good animations that's want people in a small game like this.
2) I'm not defending the game i'm just want to say that people complain about the buggy issue or some shit i don't read all but they praise for some games they'll not finished that's what i say.
P.S. Still waiting on that quote. Find a post that says "i hate these people i hope they lose all their money they don't deserve it" etc. You're not getting away from making such a bold allegation without backing it up.
That's more or less what these devs are: very very very lucky, in my opinion they don't deserve one tenth of what they made.
There or maybe i don't understand the sense but for me that's what he means.
I'm not getting away dude i'm good here. =)
1/ Yeah people are pretty supportive when things go well and criticism happens when they don't. The devs are adults, they can take it and improve from it. That's what feedback is, that's what criticism is, you're not always gonna get people who blindly accept everything you do. That's how it works, that's how it should be, otherwise like you say we'd have a ton more lazy developers who don't do anything. Because people like you will defend anything. "Yeah they tried" sure they did. Everyone tries. I'm sure someone somewhere tried to start a business and I'm sure they tried their best to make it a good business and be useful, but they didn't do well and it went bankrupt. The real world doesn't care for "try." If you do something bad you'll be told about it, then you can either be an adult and fix it, or give up and "try" something else.<snip>
Okay I'm gonna try this again and I'm requesting two things of you now:
1: You said people only come to this website to complain and pirate the game. Give me a list of people you know for sure are just here to pirate the game.
2: You said people have stated that the devs don't deserve any money and those people give money to games that haven't been finished in years. Give me a quote or two of people saying and doing this.
You requesting nothing of me mate.
Thee only thing i see about you it's you want the last word don't even try what i try say.
You want a quote i give you a quote but no it's not what you want now you want some names WTF.
Now i'm out but if you think that all people here support some devs you're strange man dude.
You can't just make blanket accusations like that and expect reasonable people to take them for granted. I'm not having it. Give me names or stop making statements like that.
I don't make any blanket accusations dude. The only acccusation i just do i give you the quote about that but you don't love it so you try to search anything else to tput the blame on me.
I just give my tought about some guys complain about the game.
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If you're not going to meet reasonable demands for evidence of your claims then you do not have an argument and your opinion is invalid. You do not get to call people pirates or weird just because you feel like it.</snip>
I don't. The creator clearly outlines how much money they need to keep working on the game at full capacity, yet these mongoloids keep shoving money down their throat. No one's tricking or deceiving them, they're just throwing money around out of the misguided idea that money automatically fixes things.I feel sorry for all the people who gave them such sums.
That's a common Patreon problem, as well as ghost Patrons who forget that they were even supporting something and don't notice a few bucks being taken out of their bank accounts monthly. It's one reason why delayed or super slow games continue to thrive for so long unattended.I don't. The creator clearly outlines how much money they need to keep working on the game at full capacity, yet these mongoloids keep shoving money down their throat. No one's tricking or deceiving them, they're just throwing money around out of the misguided idea that money automatically fixes things.
I'm unsure who this post was directed at maybe Panx. I'm going to step up and respond to it though. You cut your monologue into 3 parts and I'll respond to all 3.1/ Yeah people are pretty supportive when things go well and criticism happens when they don't. The devs are adults, they can take it and improve from it. That's what feedback is, that's what criticism is, you're not always gonna get people who blindly accept everything you do. That's how it works, that's how it should be, otherwise like you say we'd have a ton more lazy developers who don't do anything. Because people like you will defend anything. "Yeah they tried" sure they did. Everyone tries. I'm sure someone somewhere tried to start a business and I'm sure they tried their best to make it a good business and be useful, but they didn't do well and it went bankrupt. The real world doesn't care for "try." If you do something bad you'll be told about it, then you can either be an adult and fix it, or give up and "try" something else.
2/ Okay, first of all give me a list of usernames you absolutely know are here just to pirate the game and haven't supported the dev. Go ahead, I'll wait. You keep making these bold claims and accusations but I don't see you supporting any of them. I'm gonna start to think you're making blanket statements because you don't have a real argument on your hands.
Saying a game is buggy is legitimate criticism, if sprites are clipping, if scenes aren't working, if you get stuck in a quest because something went wrong and some flag didn't trigger, the game is buggy. That is objective criticism, saying endings weren't established, saying the English is bad, etc. is also proper criticism. I don't know what you're on about, you're not making sense or actively acting like this to detract from real points.
3/ All you do is compare this game to other games, I did it to set an example, here let me do it again. Panthea is as much of a mess as this game, in fact it's worse and hell, earlier you were talking about bad lazy devs who spend years without making progress but now you're saying Panthea is a good game? Hypocrisy much? That game isn't nearly finished. I'd rather have an unfinished game that keeps making steady progress and adding content like Dandy Boy Adventures than some game that is "finished" but most updates either remove content or make it unplayable. Every new content addition in Insexity actively removes scenes and options you used to have. I've never seen a porn game do that for the sake of a muddy narrative. Also, take note, if people keep repeating a criticism it means it's a valid one. The game is buggy? Yeah, it is. The game's badly translated? Yeah, it is. Those are objective feedback points the devs could consider to improve the game. Have they done that? No, they haven't. What does that mean? That people will continue to complain until it's fixed. That's how the world works.
Okay I'm gonna try this again and I'm requesting two things of you now:
1: You said people only come to this website to complain and pirate the game. Give me a list of people you know for sure are just here to pirate the game.
2: You said people have stated that the devs don't deserve any money and those people give money to games that haven't been finished in years. Give me a quote or two of people saying and doing this.
You can't just make blanket accusations like that and expect reasonable people to take them for granted. I'm not having it. Give me names or stop making statements like that.
I was replying to Panx but since they were double quoting my quotes went missing, the site tries to delete quotes within quotes, I'll go back and edit those posts so they show up.I'm unsure who this post was directed at maybe Panx. I'm going to step up and respond to it though. You cut your monologue into 3 parts and I'll respond to all 3.
Part 1: Some games do have "fanboys". Diehard fans will defend everything the developer does good or bad. It's like any fandom. You typically won't see "fanboys" for smaller / less famous games. This game is sizable/popular enough to have fanboys. Where are these "Lazy developers that don't do anything." you speak of? To create a game you need writing and not just normal writing. It has to be done in a "choose your own adventure" sort of style unless you are going for a kinetic novel type game. You are going to also need the ability to code such a thing. If you put a colon in the wrong place or forget to capitalize a word, or make a typo it can all come crashing down. Then, of course, you need some sort of visual medium be it daz renders, or 2d drawing or something else... And there can always be more. If you want voices in your game you may need to hire a voice actress, and sometimes you are going to want to add music or sound effects. You may not speak English well and need someone to help translate. Creating even a small game is a sizable project. If you work in a team then you need to figure out logistics and time tables and have everyone work together. If your writing is done in a week, but the renderer takes a month then your supply chain is only as fast as the weakest link in that chain. If you are making the game yourself without a team then you don't have to "wait for others" or "feel bad about making others wait". Instead, it's all on your shoulders. Most developers are solo developers doing it all themself. Also, most developers get paid either nothing or next to nothing. On top of all that Developers are human beings. We have family's, jobs, school, health problems, personal issues, and so on. Most developers would make significantly more money working minimum wage. The vast majority (almost all) of developers make less than $1,000 a month (most make far less, like 0-100) which I'm sorry to say is nowhere near enough to live on. So please tell me again how game developers are lazy. And don't even get me started on how corrupt patreon stifles creativity imposing arbitary rules and regulations on developers to follow both off and on site because the cancel culture cry bullies got to them. As for your point about starting a business then it failing or succeeding. Yes, most small businesses fail. Just need one to succeed though. It's better to try and fail something than not try at all.
part 2: This site is primarily a pirate site. Probably 99% of people here pay $0 to any developers. Don't get me wrong, some support games, but most don't and by a large margin. It's obvious... You want a list? Um... look up every name without a "donor" tag, and without those little "patreon badges" most users.
part 3: Having a buggy / poorly translated game will always draw criticism if enough people see it. This is good, but also take note that there is a possibility a developer reads 0 of these comments. There are 168+ pages of comments for this game. I doubt the developer or anyone else for that matter has read them all especially when people like you, and me write long posts like these. Sometimes a developer doesn't have the ability to fix a problem and they are aware of it. As an example, the game Fashion business lags like crazy. The developer (decentmonkey) is aware of this. Not much they are able to do to fix this due to the insane amount of code they put into that game. Often times feedback is not helpful. Simply saying "These renders suck" or "The writing is bad" or "I don't like this character." is not the most helpful. Is it buggy? describe the bug and maybe the error code or if it crashed and exactly what you did to get the bug. Is the writing bad? Well, explain why it's bad. Are characters acting in an unrealstic way? is it more of a spelling and grammar issue? Did they use too many big words? Is the plot too hard to believe? ect... Are the renders bad? Which renders or all of the renders? is there maybe some grain on them? Well that needs a better video card, or lots of extra time in photoshop... Is it because the lighting changes mid-scene in a strange way? Is it because the character poses in a strange way? Detailed feedback is wonderful. General open-ended feedback is relatively useless.
Ah, the usual shitshows whenever someone posts about a game being rushed. Pages and pages of little quips and dismissive useless comments over people posting about it. Do you really have nothing better to do with your time during the holidays?Ah, the usual shitshows whenever a game is completed. Pages and pages of rants and flinging shit over a goddamn scuffed porn game. Do you really have nothing better to do with your time during the holidays?
Played this like a year back and quit cause I was kinda confused. Is this game worth playing in completed state?
I'd say it's about the same as before, nothing major's changed on the previous content, it's just a bit of a hack-job ending on top of that with a sprinkling of new scenes. Worth a try if nothing else. Still confusing as heck.Okay what is going here how buggy is the game ?