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Superocco

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That is usually my explanation to friends/members on why I also enjoy this futa protag game and the 2 other that are in my signature, I really enjoy the female figure. The MCs are much better to look at (and I also never self insert too much on the MCs but I still do a bit since this games are interactive with a few choices, most of the time is similar than watching a movie/show or even read an illustrated book) but I understand that some don't enjoy lesbian scenes because they feel "blueballed". I think it is hot to watch and admire the feminine figure and I don't feel the need of "release" every time a sex scene in AVNs appear :LOL:.

But to each their own, everyone is intitled to enjoy this medium as they see fit, it is just the too easy/pointless complaints and "bitching" about this games that sometimes annoy and bother me.
I tend to have "issues" with lesbian scenes, but only with male MCs. I think it's exactly due to what you pointed out, playing as a futa or female protagonist makes it far easier to avoid self inserts. Of course I still care about said characters, a lot (Jade is probably my favorite MC in any AVN), but these are the cases in which I actually feel like I'm playing as a different character and not a sort of virtual version of myself inside a game, if that makes any sense. So my "issues" then derive from not enjoying my LIs doing stuff, as of course that's something I wouldn't enjoy if that happened to me in real life. Then again, it's not something that always happens, so it depends on a lot of factors. As long as said MC doesn't feel left out at some point, then it's no big deal. I've played harem games in which the MC starts as the main focus but in the end it's just a small part of the harem and rarely participates, so that's not my cup of tea.
 

Superocco

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So is there any actual lesbian content or just ramming poor girls over and over again?
Like they told you, there are a few instances of lesbian content, but the sinopsis on the main page might be a bit misleading. The main content of this game is futa x female, it hasn't been until especially Chapter 12 where there have been more lesbian interactions. And yes, so far the only scene in which there's girl on girl (not involving the MC) is the aforementioned one with Bella and Viv, again during Chapter 12. I'm assuming that the majority of lesbian content for what's left of the game will be during threesomes or group sex scenes as well, so early on you won't have any of it. Therefore, if you're looking for a game with a lot of lesbian content, be aware, it's a dominant futa MC game so, as you said, ramming is what you'll get the most in it.
 

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I tend to have "issues" with lesbian scenes, but only with male MCs. I think it's exactly due to what you pointed out, playing as a futa or female protagonist makes it far easier to avoid self inserts. Of course I still care about said characters, a lot (Jade is probably my favorite MC in any AVN), but these are the cases in which I actually feel like I'm playing as a different character and not a sort of virtual version of myself inside a game, if that makes any sense. So my "issues" then derive from not enjoying my LIs doing stuff, as of course that's something I wouldn't enjoy if that happened to me in real life. Then again, it's not something that always happens, so it depends on a lot of factors. As long as said MC doesn't feel left out at some point, then it's no big deal. I've played harem games in which the MC starts as the main focus but in the end it's just a small part of the harem and rarely participates, so that's not my cup of tea.
Opposite for me. Always love the parts where the mc is not the focus. But obviously the relationships between side characters in mc's harems are barely developed so a alot of times, the scenes feel bland. For example for one of my favs games like double homework and areas of grey, I very much wanted more of the sisters and female cousins lesbian scenes, they were the hottest to me. Games like Treasure of Nadia strike great balance where everything not about male mc. If the game is with male protagonist i very much prefer female dom scenes, where the focus is pleasing a woman.
 

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So, is the writing getting worse or the story falling apart since CH 11?

Anal pregnancy thing felt... off.
Dialogues are lacking conflict.
Birthday orgy felt rushed and Not sure if I miss something. How did everyone get comfortable with it, that fast?
Jade had been always careful with risky situations and always in control. I felt she lost it at the birthday orgy.

Looking forward to CH 13.
 

Kind Nightmares

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So, is the writing getting worse or the story falling apart since CH 11?

Anal pregnancy thing felt... off.
Dialogues are lacking conflict.
Birthday orgy felt rushed and Not sure if I miss something. How did everyone get comfortable with it, that fast?
Jade had been always careful with risky situations and always in control. I felt she lost it at the birthday orgy.

Looking forward to CH 13.
Oh, totally. The dev has no clue what he's doing anymore, so he just outsourced the whole thing to ChatGPT and now officially recommend no one plays it.
Or hey, maybe he should hand it over to you, since you clearly know better.
What do you think? Ready to take the wheel?
 

Kind Nightmares

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Whole situation with Andy feels rushed,unless you push him to that
You say that with such confidence, like you even played Andy’s path.
He shows up literally once—at the twins’ birthday—and that alone lit your ass on fire so bad you asked for an option to side with Adam, if I remember right.
Be honest—are you just upset because the way Adam was humiliated touched on some of your own personal homophobic beliefs?
What exactly were you expecting from a game about a woman with a dick and a sissification tag?
 

Kind Nightmares

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Jeez... Sorry...
No need to apologize — I’m not offended. I just tend to reply with sarcasm when criticism sounds vague or lazy.
If something ‘feels off’ to you, try explaining why. Saying ‘anal pregnancy felt off’ without any reasoning doesn’t help anyone — it just sounds like ‘I personally didn’t like it, so it must be bad’. Which is fine, but call it what it is.
Same with ‘dialogues lack conflict’ or ‘Jade lost control’ — those are claims, not arguments. If you have thoughts, share them clearly. Otherwise, it’s just noise.
As for some of the other "criticism" I’ve seen floating around — sometimes I get the feeling folks aren’t reacting to the writing, but to the themes. You don’t have to like where the story went, but pretending it ‘fell apart’ right when queer characters got focus… let’s just say that says more about the player than the plot or me as a developer.
 

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You say that with such confidence, like you even played Andy’s path.
He shows up literally once—at the twins’ birthday—and that alone lit your ass on fire so bad you asked for an option to side with Adam, if I remember right.
Be honest—are you just upset because the way Adam was humiliated touched on some of your own personal homophobic beliefs?
What exactly were you expecting from a game about a woman with a dick and a sissification tag?
Well,that was me,this is one of the moments that slides out of my understanding,even Julie's pregnancy is pretty much understandable and reasonable for me than Andy situation or whatever changed on his mind,but that's alone upsets me pretty much.
 

BroProHelpas

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Be honest—are you just upset because the way Adam was humiliated touched on some of your own personal homophobic beliefs?
that's just so dissapointed as I told earlier, I don't think it's about himself,more about how he grew up and it's ironic that's even conservative Susan is against him at that moment,if I remember correctly,so it's pretty much the only part of that game turns me down,everything outside that's scene is awesome:(
 
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Kind Nightmares

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I'm not that homophobic,but that thing doesn't make me afraid,only disgusts
You keep bending over backwards to say you're not homophobic — you're just “disgusted,” that's all.
Ah yes, totally different things. Potato–potato.
If Andy just existing ruins the whole game for you — oh yeah, you're definitely not a homophobe. Not even a little.
What’s more interesting is that in your focus on hating Andy and feeling bad for Adam, you completely missed the point of that entire scene.
It was about change. Growth.
Ashley stood up to her father — something she had never done.
Susan admitted she might’ve raised her kids wrong, and that they didn’t have to keep repeating her mistakes.
But sure. Let’s ignore all that because one trans character made you uncomfortable.


I’m not interested in having people support my work financially if they believe the presence of a single character makes the whole story worthless.
If that’s how you feel, then this isn’t the story for you — and that’s fine.
Please cancel your subscription and leave the Discord. Let’s not waste each other’s time.
 

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Not sure if this is a bug or when the choice result should appear, but when choosing to calm Adam down or not, it plays out the same. What is the difference in the scenes?
 

Kind Nightmares

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Not sure if this is a bug or when the choice result should appear, but when choosing to calm Adam down or not, it plays out the same. What is the difference in the scenes?
That’s not a bug. It’s a cosmetic choice I intentionally added—to show that Jade’s done her part, and now it’s time for others to stand up for themselves and for the people they care about. That’s why, in both cases, it’s Ashley who steps in.
 

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That’s not a bug. It’s a cosmetic choice I intentionally added—to show that Jade’s done her part, and now it’s time for others to stand up for themselves and for the people they care about. That’s why, in both cases, it’s Ashley who steps in.
Oh ok. So this choice doesn't actually involve Jade. Was just curious as the outcome was identical. But since that was the intent, all good!
 
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