VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.12.3] [Nyx]

[LSC82]

Thats a harsch way to say it, i purposefully ignored her, cause i honestly don't want to be involved in that mess and simply don't care enough.

Well... Alexis doesn't agree with your take.
Whatever you think of Erynn and the mess she's in, it's still woman getting assaulted, and you can stop it.
Then you can tell her "good luck with your problems" later.

Still a bit of a prick move if i'm honest, this girl is your friend, cares for you(romantically or not) and needs your help.

 

[ShadowThrone]

The hints are definitely there that if we don't help she might end up as the hooker people suspected her to be.
Just a small correction, for all the asshole that he is, i don't remember Ethan saying she should fuck them, he says flirt (which i interpreted as merely act happy and playful) rather than fuck them.
Right before he tries to rape her .

I'm red blooded male and i was frustrated when she backed out of it in that scene.
But soon i understood that it was suppoused to illustrate how that one sexual experience has left her scarred and traumatized to this day.
And yeah she gets triple the flack of everyone else... it's curious people just don't avoid her if they despise her so much...
My guess is(in addition to prominence) people have a hard time changing their minds, so when initial introduction was "the bitch that friendzoned us" people are gonna keep finding ways to hate her, if it gets proven incorrect.

I think that Ethan doesn't actually want her to fuck the clients and is just making her situation worse so she finally gives into his demand for sex (as the supposed sex tape threat no longer seems to be working). She is starting to panic as she has realized that if things continue the way they are, something bad will happen soon (possibly her drink being spiked (drugged) and her being raped). Maybe the client groping is starting to get worse and it is getting harder for her to make them stop.

He says :
et "This can all be over today. You know what I want."

I'm surprised that Erynn actually let the make-out with MC get as far as it did. It seems to only requires that you agree to help with her blackmail and have at least 27 points with her (maybe it would make more sense for her to only go that far if you are not involved with Alexis). I actually feel a bit sorry for the MC, as with the information that he has, he could be forgiven for thinking that she is still friend-zoning him, but he does recognize that the timing is wrong. (i don't think it is her past sexual experience itself that has left her traumatized, but that it is so closely linked to her blackmail)

 

[LSC82]

I think that Ethan doesn't actually want her to fuck the clients and is just making her situation worse so she finally gives into his demand for sex (as the supposed sex tape threat no longer seems to be working). She is starting to panic as she has realized that if things continue the way they are, something bad will happen soon (possibly her drink being spiked (drugged) and her being raped). Maybe the client groping is starting to get worse and it is getting harder for her to make them stop.

He says :
et "This can all be over today. You know what I want."

I'm surprised that Erynn actually let the make-out with MC get as far as it did. It seems to only requires that you agree to help with her blackmail and have at least 27 points with her (maybe it would make more sense for her to only go that far if you are not involved with Alexis). I actually feel a bit sorry for the MC, as with the information that he has, he could be forgiven for thinking that she is still friend-zoning him, but he does recognize that the timing is wrong. (i don't think it is her past sexual experience itself that has left her traumatized, but that it is so closely linked to her blackmail)

Agreed on Ethan, he's at the same time making money and trying to make Erynn the most uncomfortable he possibly can so she gives in to him, win-win from his perspective.
She's clearly worried about escalation too.
She was ready to tell the whole story to the MC the week before, Ethan says she's become less compliant since he's been back, she's slowly waking up imo.

I don't think Alexis current status should affect the making out, MC only mentions Alexis if he stops the kiss, if you kiss her back she doesn't have a clue so it shouldn't affect her (and get the fireworks ready if you did both make out with Erynn and date Alexis ).

And yeah, it's not about wether the sex itself was good or bad, it's about how that one night is hurting her up to this day.

 

[Avaron1974]

Redheads are the definition of perfection.
Sage (BaDik)
Nami (Summers Gone)
Cara (Intertwined)
Selina, Rosa (Become a Rockstar)
Jaye, (Chasing Sunsets)
Elly (Bad Memories)
Rachel (Sisterly Lust)
Emily (Halfway House)
Norah (Secret Summer)
Avaron1974(Forum Goddess)
I will exclude Leah, she hurt me so much

I totally agree about redheads and your kind words about my humble self I absolutely didn't add myself were truly divine.

 

[Darkmetal]

The opinion about Erynn has run the gamut since the beginning of this game, people have said she was horrible for laughing at the MC (she didn't), that she was creepy for alluding to the two of them eventually marrying (it was a joke), that she is a slut/whore/whatever (she is not).

You're putting words into mouths of many Erynn critics who never said any of those things, mate.

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None of this happens, if Erryn doesn't choose to watch a funny video on a phone.

This is a symptom of Erryn's real problem - she can never say GTFO to Ethan for whatever reason - and that is a REAL BIG problem.

- When your BFF since childhood comes to you on his birthday with flower in hand and an important heart-to-heart conversation to deliver, you don't cut him off mid-way and go to look at funny videos on someone else's phone. What you should do is say over your shoulder to the douche calling you, "STFU, not now" and continue listening.

- When the MC ran off hurt, Alexis showed how it was done by almost immediately saying, fook this shit, and going after MC right away in a display of maturity and empathy. Erynn just continued the back and forth with Ethan - which was completely pointless anyway - as Ethan knows she never makes good on what she says with regards to him.

- For years afterward, even though she disliked the guy and her other friends like Alexis hated him, even when she had a boyfriend, Ethan still somehow was allowed to remain in the picture. How she treated Zane (based on the current info we have) was terrible, as I posted earlier:

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There were so many opportunities (and time) for her to have gotten rid of Ethan harassing her all through high school - and plenty of help too. School counselors, Zane, her parent, Alexis' mom (who at the time would be a big rising star in the town's educational system) etc. And yet here we are, despite all her "I don't want to this, I don't like that etc.' still under Ethan's thumb.

If she is ever to become strong confident woman, she (not the MC - who can help, but cannot be her forever shield - what happens if he goes away or picks someone else, for example - she gonna revert and fall under Ethan's sway again?) must take a stand and give Ethan the...

 

[Avaron1974]

There were so many opportunities (and time) for her to have gotten rid of Ethan harassing her all through high school - and plenty of help too. Zane,

We don't know if Zane was working with Ethan.

If Ethan does indeed have a sex tape of Zane and Erynn then it was likely got with his knowledge or he filmed it and gave it to Ethan.

This is a symptom of Erryn's real problem - she can never say GTFO to Ethan for whatever reason - and that is a REAL BIG problem.

- When your BFF since childhood comes to you on his birthday with flower in hand and an important heart-to-heart conversation to deliver, you don't cut him off mid-way and go to look at funny videos on someone else's phone. What you should do is say over your shoulder to the douche calling you, "STFU, not now" and continue listening.

- When the MC ran off hurt, Alexis showed how it was done by almost immediately saying, fook this shit, and going after MC right away in a display of maturity and empathy. Erynn just continued the back and forth with Ethan - which was completely pointless anyway - as Ethan knows she never makes good on what she says with regards to him.

- For years afterward, even though she disliked the guy and her other friends like Alexis hated him, even when she had a boyfriend, Ethan still somehow was allowed to remain in the picture. How she treated Zane (based on the current info we have) was terrible, as I posted earlier:

That said, all this is true and Erynn is a shit friend.

She believed Ethan when he said Alexis tried to hit on him, we all know that is complete bullshit.

She left MC to run off while Alexis went after him.

Alexis is by far the better match. Erynn is not mature enough for a relationship, she has a lot of growing up to do. She's had years to get rid of Ethan but obviously wants him around whether she will admit it or not. That was obvious when the MC, her so called friend, ran off and she stayed with Ethan.

She is a truly awful friend and would make a worse lover. Personally she should get with Ethan and call it done. I don;t see why anyone would still be chasing her at this point. She's shown multiple times now she will always pick Ethan first.

 

[Darkness65]

We just got glimpses of certain acts (not facts) or reactions of the side characters, but not always have access to their reasons. We naturally fill the blanks with our own reasoning, and our own life backstories. Hence, every theory is valid in our own perspective. That's what make this VN so rich. But in the end, we need to be open minded about we could be wrong in our assumptions.

 

[MrFriendly]

You're putting words into mouths of many Erynn critics who never said any of those things, mate.

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I know I’ve not been here for a couple months but those are arguments I’ve seen. Perhaps the argument against her has evolved or you’ve never espoused those beliefs but I did see those conversations. I participated in them, I even jokingly suggested that Erynn was a sociopath who obsessed about the MC when she joked about the MC saying “I do”, so I know that some people had those thoughts. But as to your objections to Erynn I agree and I’ve said similar things about her. It’s why staying with Lexi has been an easy choice for me. That and Layla feeling too young.

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[Avaron1974]

We just got glimpses of certain acts (not facts) or reactions of the side characters, but not always have access to their reasons. We naturally fill the blanks with our own reasoning, and our own life backstories. Hence, every theory is valid in our own perspective. That's what make this VN so rich. But in the end, we need to be open minded about we could be wrong in our assumptions.

All I know is if one of my friends was upset and ran off i'd follow them and not speak to the one upsetting them especially a jack off.

She obviously likes Ethan for it to be a problem when he said Alexis hit on him. She was hella mad about that so if he'd played it smarter and not gone the blackmail route she likely would have fucked him anyway.

The fact she got angry with her so called "best friend" Alexis over the whole Ethan thing shows how fickle a friend she is.

She called her friendship off completely over her actions with the MC. I don't care how angry she is, we've all fallen out with friends but you talk it out, it's what friends do.

I don't like Erynn at all.

I've not seen a single action that has painted her in a good light or as a good friend.

Look at it this way, when Ethan hit Erynn and we had the chance to hit him, how many people thought "oh no, Erynn is in trouble, we must save her" compared to how many thought "fuck that guy, gonna smash his face into the ground"....

Personally it was less what happened to her and more I just wanted to hit the prick. If it had given me the option to hit him and walk off leaving her behind i'd pick that every time.

 

[Tumai]

Personally she should get with Ethan and call it done. I don;t see why anyone would still be chasing her at this point. She's shown multiple times now she will always pick Ethan first.

If that were the ending for Erynn for those not on her path, that'd be ... epic

 

[Raziel_8]

Well... Alexis doesn't agree with your take.
Whatever you think of Erynn and the mess she's in, it's still woman getting assaulted, and you can stop it.
Then you can tell her "good luck with your problems" later.

Still a bit of a prick move if i'm honest, this girl is your friend, cares for you(romantically or not) and needs your help.

Hm the only time i picked Alexis was to tell Layla about her, so the Gabi path stayed open...so yeah she never gave me a piece of her mind.

No u can't stop the assault, Erynn slaps Ethan, Ethan slaps Erynn, if u help her or not the assault ends here either way.
On the other hand if the MC helps her, he brings him self in far more trouble, by assaulting Ethan...not to mention he uses way more force than the situation would have warranted and yes punching Ethan is fun.

Also wouldn't u just worsen the situation if u beat up Ethan and than don't help her, imo he would be even more forcefull the next time they meet or try to push her harder

Well the MC's thoughts are something like, 'thats not the Erynn i know, i don't want to get involved in this shit'...so my guess is that he has changed his mind about them being friends.

Does she need MC's help ?
She could have stopped this situation anytime herself thought, all she needed to fo was saying ' gtfo Ethan'.
Her teaching career ended when she accepted the work as escort either way, even if that tape exists, it's pretty much a empty threat at this point.
If her possible future career really is that important to her, that she would let herself getting blackmailed into working as a escort or even sex with Ethan, well thats on her and i wouldn't feel any remorse about it.

That being said, i don't see her as LI, nor as a friend i want, so there's that.

 

[L0MBR0]

When the MC ran off hurt, Alexis showed how it was done by almost immediately saying, fook this shit, and going after MC right away in a display of maturity and empathy.

Sweetest moment in the game right there. I would chase her to the ends of the Earth.

 

[PipeLayer2000]

Brooke is redhead adjacent right?
Adriana seems sadly out of reach...
Maybe Alexis will be revealed to be a natural fiery goddess(though some would consider a crime to mess with "Carli").

This is funny because I played Intertwined before trying DA, and the model is “Lexi” for me.

 

[MrFriendly]

Hm the only time i picked Alexis was to tell Layla about her, so the Gabi path stayed open...so yeah she never gave me a piece of her mind.

No u can't stop the assault, Erynn slaps Ethan, Ethan slaps Erynn, if u help her or not the assault ends here either way.
On the other hand if the MC helps her, he brings him self in far more trouble, by assaulting Ethan...not to mention he uses way more force than the situation would have warranted and yes punching Ethan is fun.

Also wouldn't u just worsen the situation if u beat up Ethan and than don't help her, imo he would be even more forcefull the next time they meet or try to push her harder

Well the MC's thoughts are something like, 'thats not the Erynn i know, i don't want to get involved in this shit'...so my guess is that he has changed his mind about them being friends.

Does she need MC's help ?
She could have stopped this situation anytime herself thought, all she needed to fo was saying '

Erynn has always been an issue... She's portrayed as one of two "main" love interests (and I think that was the original plan until Nyx kept Alexis in but I am just speculating) but there's not a lot of positives when it comes to her besides her good looks and the fact that her mom is basically the MC's "aunt".
What else is there to recommend her? She was the object of the MC's childhood crush but nothing Erynn has done since the MC has come back makes her interesting as a love interest. She's that friend we've all had who just has WAY too much drama in their life and we like but also kind of avoid so we don't get drawn into it.

 

[L0MBR0]

This is funny because I played Intertwined before trying DA, and the model is “Lexi” for me.

I played DA before Intertwined and the model is still Lexi for me

 

[LSC82]

Hm the only time i picked Alexis was to tell Layla about her, so the Gabi path stayed open...so yeah she never gave me a piece of her mind.

The post you quoted was about how Alexis reacts to you leaving Erynn to her fate, which is why i responded like that.

No u can't stop the assault, Erynn slaps Ethan, Ethan slaps Erynn, if u help her or not the assault ends here either way.
On the other hand if the MC helps her, he brings him self in far more trouble, by assaulting Ethan...not to mention he uses way more force than the situation would have warranted and yes punching Ethan is fun.

You don't know that, Erynn was on the floor and Ethan was still standing, since the options are either run away or interrupt, we can't know if he kept beating her or not. In the path you didn't follow Alexis breaks up with you because Erynn called her for help after getting assaulted, she could be seriously hurt.

Also wouldn't u just worsen the situation if u beat up Ethan and than don't help her, imo he would be even more forcefull the next time they meet or try to push her harder

Well the MC's thoughts are something like, 'thats not the Erynn i know, i don't want to get involved in this shit'...so my guess is that he has changed his mind about them being friends.

I think any man who is worth his weight should stop an assault happening on woman if he's able to, not because it's Erynn and Ethan, if it was 2 randos i still think the correct action would be to help.
I also believe the correct action on the follow up is to keep helping her, me calling step away being a dick move should've been obvious enough, just saying if you are that disconnected you could step out after you stopped a crime from happening.
The assault on Ethan isn't a crime as it's defense of a third party.

Obviously at this point, this (despicable) MC that you are building doesn't consider her a friend anymore, i bet she doesn't think much of him at this point either.

Does she need MC's help ?
She could have stopped this situation anytime herself thought, all she needed to fo was saying ' gtfo Ethan'.
Her teaching career ended when she accepted the work as escort either way, even if that tape exists, it's pretty much a empty threat at this point.
If her possible future career really is that important to her, that she would let herself getting blackmailed into working as a escort or even sex with Ethan, well thats on her and i wouldn't feel any remorse about it.

That being said, i don't see her as LI, nor as a friend i want, so there's that.

Yeah... she slapped him and told him to stop, he knocked her on her ass for it, i don't think GTFO is gonna work.
There's a lot of holes in her reasoning to submit, i agree with that, the help she needs is more psychological than practical which is what would a friend would provide.

And yeah i got it, i don't think i would want to be a friend to your version of the MC either...

 

[ShadowThrone]

Some notes about Erynn and Alexis (much of the below is opinion only and as such may be nothing more than insane ramblings)

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[LSC82]

Erynn has always been an issue... She's portrayed as one of two "main" love interests (and I think that was the original plan until Nyx kept Alexis in but I am just speculating) but there's not a lot of positives when it comes to her besides her good looks and the fact that her mom is basically the MC's "aunt".
What else is there to recommend her? She was the object of the MC's childhood crush but nothing Erynn has done since the MC has come back makes her interesting as a love interest. She's that friend we've all had who just has WAY too much drama in their life and we like but also kind of avoid so we don't get drawn into it.

She is that hurt bird who needs care to fly again and be happy, that is the point of her character, not the easy immediate rewards.
It's about you empathizing with her pain and suffering and wanting to see this bird fly again, rather than going the easy route.

I do find it funny how, the fact that she was immature as a teenager(yeah no shit) and didn't handle the events in the backyard 5 years in the best way, keep being brought back by those who love to spout about the merits of "Mighty Alexis our mistress and saviour".
Just pointing out, Erynn while making mistakes was trying to do the right thing, she failed yes, but not out of malice.

All this while they "forget" the fact that adult Alexis (still young), lied and manipulated, conciously, to the MC and Erynn to get what she wanted.

A lot of projection too on how they speak about her relationship with Ethan, it's a toxic relationship she believes she can't break free from people, it's not that she secretly wants him... in her current damaged state she doesn't have enough willpower to fight against.

I do hope the "Ethan fucked Alexis" thing proves to be true, i wanna see the freak out when their world shatters lol.

 

[Raziel_8]

Erynn has always been an issue... She's portrayed as one of two "main" love interests (and I think that was the original plan until Nyx kept Alexis in but I am just speculating) but there's not a lot of positives when it comes to her besides her good looks and the fact that her mom is basically the MC's "aunt".
What else is there to recommend her? She was the object of the MC's childhood crush but nothing Erynn has done since the MC has come back makes her interesting as a love interest. She's that friend we've all had who just has WAY too much drama in their life and we like but also kind of avoid so we don't get drawn into it.

That sums it up pretty well.
Even in terms of looks, i find her nothing special compared to the other main & side girls. My top 3 for the best looks would be Nikki/Gabi/Emily, well thats a matter of personal preference, but as u said, there isn't much positives going for her.

 

[Deleted member 2528490]

it's not that she secretly wants him

Nobody actually believes that... do they? This is the first time I'm even seeing this dumb idea.