Avaron1974

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Quoting for posterity. Didn't you also say there will be no harem in WTHI? Just teasing ;)
Now you just gonna get me ranting over that again. Already had a go at the dev that lied to us over that and abandoned the thread.

Was not amused.
 

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That could work, but most WTs done by devs are... let's say oversimplified. You know the other popular VN's, they're basically the "green choice is best" kind of thing and not truly that helpful (imho). I just looked and haven't messed with this particular VN since v0.5.5 so I'll take a look after I finish the other project I was planning on releasing today/tomorrow. I've pushed two things off my plate already this morning and that would be the third. Surely there might be enough room on it to at least allow me to eyeball what we have going on. We'll see.
You know what I wish, especially for a game like this? If a walkthrough (whether a mod or pdf) would just lay out the choices for a certain path or paths that exist in the game. Even the pdf in OP is just a flow chart but it's still confusing as fuck because it's all one giant flow chart instead of having things separated. If it was on a mod, I wish I could just have a setting where I click a button that says something like "Layla only" and the WT would adjust to only show green for choices that were good for that path and then do Blue for Choices that don't affect it and red for choices that end relationships or cause negatives. I get that it'd be a lot of coding and such but with a game this confusing for pathing, it's getting hard to know.

Like there's Val content in this one I don't see, mainly because I think I'm with Layla. If I were on the Friends with Layla path instead, I'd probably see it but I have no idea if that's true or not and I don't want to spend an hour fast forwarding through the entire game just to see if I was right.

If you play "Where the Heart Is", CheekyGimp and Ace built a system that literally lets you choose what chapter to start on and what paths you're on with the various girls. That needs to be more common.


No, his mother isn't a love interest. There are certain options but they don't lead to anything, same for Melissa.

I don't know if she's doing it to purposefully troll the incest crowd but I do know she has her reason for doing it whether that's for story reaction or trolling I don't know.

I do know that his mother is not and will never be a love interest.

As for Melissa, I don't know if she'll ever get any actual scenes but i'm 99% sure she won't.
I think the Emily Love points will affect the ending. More or less about how good your relationship is with her in any given epilogue. I also am of the belief that the Melissa stuff is just for sexiness and laughs because #1 there's no way she'd act on it and #2 she'd never do ruin her relationship with Emily or Erynn for some sex with a younger man. It's just a fantasy. Which is just like reality, which I like. Women and men can have plenty of fantasies, but unlike VN's they don't just instantly act on them.

As for the Kiss and the Sexy in this episode, that's clearly just for fun, and a call back to other things that have gone on. The only important choice as far as points go for Emily is encouraging her to go on the date with John. Yes that's right, Nyx is making NTR the correct choice to stick it to the incest crowd.
 
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I thought the developer says that she is not a love interest

and that's perfectly fine not every girl needs to be a love interest but if she's not a love interest

why are these options in the game it's like showing a starving man a sandwich and then telling him he

not allowed to eat it
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Yeah like she trolls modders and people who like walkthroughs, she's trolling people who like incest at this point.
 
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No idea what that had to do with Layla or Erynn but nevermind.

No, his mother isn't a love interest. There are certain options but they don't lead to anything, same for Melissa.

I don't know if she's doing it to purposefully troll the incest crowd but I do know she has her reason for doing it whether that's for story reaction or trolling I don't know.

I do know that his mother is not and will never be a love interest.

As for Melissa, I don't know if she'll ever get any actual scenes but i'm 99% sure she won't.

I do know that Nyx really doesn't like some people on here so I don't know if she's doing that to piss them off or some other reason. All we do know is she is deff not in the running to be a LI.
oh yeah I wanted to ask you something

about Layla Vollezar he's doing a Layla only playthrough

but he says in this updateLayla is acting like the two of them are only friends and she's even telling him

to ask other characters out on dates when he's only been with her and the game is still forcing

other characters on him
 

Avaron1974

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oh yeah I wanted to ask you something

about Layla Vollezar he's doing a Layla only playthrough

but he says in this updateLayla is acting like the two of them are only friends and she's even telling him

to ask other characters out on dates when he's only been with her and the game is still forcing

other characters on him
We don't know if there are bugs on a couple of routes because right now Layla and Erynn are both acting more like friends even if people are on their routes and Lexi is acting like they had never declared their love even though they did in earlier updates.

As for girls still being pushed, yeah that's for drama reasons.

There are people that are going to chase sex scenes and will probably end up in a Become a Rockstar like moment when they all catch on and dump him.

The other reason being Val being added so late means most people playing are already on a route so need a way to move over to hers so she's going to get a push.
 

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The trolling incest people I get, but she really shouldn't be mocking people who want walkthroughs when she makes every single choice a critical hit to whatever path you're on.
Dunno. If it's an attempt to troll WT users then it's a fail. See, the choices are the same whether the player used one or not... they both get bamboozled if the same selections were made in a playthrough. So, one would think there's more to it than that but fuck if I know... I'm just now getting dragged into this drama :ROFLMAO:
 
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There are people that are going to chase sex scenes and will probably end up in a Become a Rockstar like moment when they all catch on and dump him.
It doesn't help that Layla's path is pretty much required for not just Elena but Val as well (at least at the start). And that everyone on that path is the slowest burn possible. But maybe we'll get a Lisa/Jade style option since you brought it up. Doesn't help that Layla and Lisa look similar... (are they the same model? I can't tell for sure.)
 
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We don't know if there are bugs on a couple of routes because right now Layla and Erynn are both acting more like friends even if people are on their routes and Lexi is acting like they had never declared their love even though they did in earlier updates.

As for girls still being pushed, yeah that's for drama reasons.

There are people that are going to chase sex scenes and will probably end up in a Become a Rockstar like moment when they all catch on and dump him.

The other reason being Val being added so late means most people playing are already on a route so need a way to move over to hers so she's going to get a push.
I just have a separate playthrough for Val

I hope all those bug get fix my sister because I am a monogamous person and that's how I've been playing

in my play true my mc is a monogamous guy and I would love the game to reflect that

but anyway thank you so much for answering all my questions

and if there is a bug fix will you let me know
 

Avaron1974

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well. Kind of sucks like I said I don't care if she's not. a Love interest

but doing that is getting the hopes up of people who really love the character

and people who were never Mean to the developer
One of the optiuons is to encourage her to go on a date and that's the one that gives the points.

To be fair, Nyx did make it very clear early on that his mother would never be a love interest.

To be honest I don't think it's about trolling people that were mean to her, more trolling people demanding certain types of content she has no interest in adding.

Again with Become a Rockstar but similar to what Jet did with Julia. Had her appear naked in a few scenes and one with the MC to troll those asking for incest.

There are quite a lot of devs have little digs at certain kinks in their games i've noticed. Some, like Nyx, just make it very obvious they are doing it.

It doesn't help that Layla's path is pretty much required for not just Elena but Val as well (at least at the start). And that everyone on that path is the slowest burn possible. But maybe we'll get a Lisa/Jade style option since you brought it up. Doesn't help that Layla and Lisa look similar... (are they the same model? I can't tell for sure.)
I think it might be the same model now you mention it.

My original thinking was that Layla and Elena were going to end up in a 3way, they seem tied at the hip and it does make the most sense.

I will admit it is frustrating in that sense because if Elena isn't tied in with Layla then she really should have been given her own route from the start.

As for Val. It does feel a bit like forced drama with her being tied to an already established route and the need to cheat to get on hers.

It would be great if it was possible to get on her route if you were only friends with Layla/Elena but I haven't got that far yet so don't know if that's possible, i'm still finishing up my Lexi route.

Some of the routes are getting a bit like Spaghetti with how jumbled they are. I do agree a proper guide will be needed or it could get confusing when trying to pursue certain routes especially the later ones and the slow burn ones that aren't as obvious as say, Erynn and Lexi.
 
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One of the optiuons is to encourage her to go on a date and that's the one that gives the points.

To be fair, Nyx did make it very clear early on that his mother would never be a love interest.

To be honest I don't think it's about trolling people that were mean to her, more trolling people demanding certain types of content she has no interest in adding.

Again with Become a Rockstar but similar to what Jet did with Julia. Had her appear naked in a few scenes and one with the MC to troll those asking for incest.

There are quite a lot of devs have little digs at certain kinks in their games i've noticed. Some, like Nyx, just make it very obvious they are doing it.



I think it might be the same model now you mention it.

My original thinking was that Layla and Elena were going to end up in a 3way, they seem tied at the hip and it does make the most sense.

I will admit it is frustrating in that sense because if Elena isn't tied in with Layla then she really should have been given her own route from the start.

As for Val. It does feel a bit like forced drama with her being tied to an already established route and the need to cheat to get on hers.

It would be great if it was possible to get on her route if you were only friends with Layla/Elena but I haven't got that far yet so don't know if that's possible, i'm still finishing up my Lexi route.

Some of the routes are getting a bit like Spaghetti with how jumbled they are. I do agree a proper guide will be needed or it could get confusing when trying to pursue certain routes especially the later ones and the slow burn ones that aren't as obvious as say, Erynn and Lexi.
well I don't know anything about trolling people

because it seems like a very mean thing to do regardless who does it

so even though it was obvious to some people it was not to me

I'm really heartbroken but thank you once again for explaining it
 

Avaron1974

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I just have a separate playthrough for Val

I hope all those bug get fix my sister because I am a monogamous person and that's how I've been playing

in my play true my mc is a monogamous guy and I would love the game to reflect that

but anyway thank you so much for answering all my questions

and if there is a bug fix will you let me know
Monogamy is the way to go here. There are no group relationships.

Unless, like @RoadWulf said and we get a Layla/Elena 3way, all relationships are solo only.

What does start to throw people off is some of them are really slow burn. If you take Lexi's route they are near enough ready for marriage, kids and a nice retirement home in the tropics it moved that fast. Erynn they are still at the holding hand phase and Elena we can hug a towel with her picture on it.

It would be nice if we could lock a relationship in and not risk losing it because we picked the wrong option somewhere totally unrelated.
 
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Monogamy is the way to go here. There are no group relationships.

Unless, like @RoadWulf said and we get a Layla/Elena 3way, all relationships are solo only.

What does start to throw people off is some of them are really slow burn. If you take Lexi's route they are near enough ready for marriage, kids and a nice retirement home in the tropics it moved that fast. Erynn they are still at the holding hand phase and Elena we can hug a towel with her picture on it.

It would be nice if we could lock a relationship in and not risk losing it because we picked the wrong option somewhere totally unrelated.
I only want Elena and no one else I hope we really do get that option
 

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Rock solid update kinda of leaning toward Cara over Nikki between those sisters the other pair a coin flip that dream was really nice only knock on the update no payback on those 2 assholes hopefully we get that in the next update
 
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