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MilesEdgeworth

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I agree with your post, i think it's commendable how protective she is of her friends and keeps putting them ahead of herself and i'm waiting to see how that story will unfold.

But why do you say Mckayla instead of Layla? It's not the first time i see it...
I have no idea I guess I subconsciously think that she looks like more of a mckayla. Probably the hairstyle lolz
 
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Are there any long term positives that come out of not helping Erynn when she gets slapped by Ethan? I can't bring myself to abandon her like that on any route. It just seems like a nuclear option on MC's love life except for...Tori and possibly Nikki/Cara.
 

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Are there any long term positives that come out of not helping Erynn when she gets slapped by Ethan? I can't bring myself to abandon her like that on any route. It just seems like a nuclear option on MC's love life except for...Tori and possibly Nikki/Cara.
No.

It was meant to lead into a different storyline (the one that gave the game it's corruption tag) but that storyline has been abandoned.
 

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Thanks, that makes sense. I was trying to follow where it might have led with a walkthrough and it just seemed to be a huge dead end or at least self-sabotage.
You lose Erynn's romance path if you were on it, as well as x10 Erynn Points if you just walk away. If you help her, you can stay on her romance path and gain 2 Erynn Points. At least if memory serves, I just did an Erynn playthrough this evening.

Later in the story, for the "Plan" you again encounter them. Helping Erynn, instead of sticking to the plan John unlocks a FATALITY, if you bash Ethan's head against the door 50x before stopping. It doesn't seem to do much to the story (yet?), as he still gets up and is a part of it. So just an 'achievement' I guess?
 

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kick the ball to Sha'carri to lose her path and if you're gonna burn it down, the way to do it is kiss erynn when she first offers it skip training fool with lexi and call erynn a liar when she accuses you of moving onto Alexis after she refused to have sex with you
 
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Later in the story, for the "Plan" you again encounter them. Helping Erynn, instead of sticking to the plan John unlocks a FATALITY, if you bash Ethan's head against the door 50x before stopping. It doesn't seem to do much to the story (yet?), as he still gets up and is a part of it. So just an 'achievement' I guess?
It's looking like sticking to the plan may lead John in to some hot water. Ethan already has someone looking into the fake name he gave.

This is the only choice I'm hesitant to make, so my saves all stop there atm.
 
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It's looking like sticking to the plan may lead John in to some hot water. Ethan already has someone looking into the fake name he gave.

This is the only choice I'm hesitant to make, so my saves all stop there atm.
Yeah, I'm really torn on that one. The other part I don't get at all is if John interrupts the fight (instead of Val), Ethan and his cronies see him. How does Ethan or his buddies not instantly recognize him? John has a very distinct look. Either way they "investigate" him... but he went way off-plan anyways, so that's partly on him.

The Fatality route is very, very satisfying as I always help Erynn, even if not on her path I just feel too bad to leave her to the likes of him. Although my finger usually cramps up from clicking 50x. :LOL: And it is an incorrect name, as it's not permanent and he does get back up quite quickly.
 

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Yeah, I'm really torn on that one. The other part I don't get at all is if John interrupts the fight (instead of Val), Ethan and his cronies see him. How does Ethan or his buddies not instantly recognize him? John has a very distinct look. Either way they "investigate" him... but he went way off-plan anyways, so that's partly on him.

The Fatality route is very, very satisfying as I always help Erynn, even if not on her path I just feel too bad to leave her to the likes of him. Although my finger usually cramps up from clicking 50x. :LOL: And it is an incorrect name, as it's not permanent and he does get back up quite quickly.
Hate quoting myself, but I was wrong on the intervene path, but didn't want to go back and edit something people had already left thumbs up for. Seeing I just did it, it's unfortunate I forgot it so fast, but I went back and replayed it.

There is no "investigation" asked for by Ethan if you intervene with Erynn while John is inside. Ethan just leaves his business card with John and says he wants to discuss further and leaves with the other girls. Perhaps that is the right path? Although Ethan is clearly on the warpath for the MC now now. ;)
 

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Hate quoting myself, but I was wrong on the intervene path, but didn't want to go back and edit something people had already left thumbs up for. Seeing I just did it, it's unfortunate I forgot it so fast, but I went back and replayed it.

There is no "investigation" asked for by Ethan if you intervene with Erynn while John is inside. Ethan just leaves his business card with John and says he wants to discuss further and leaves with the other girls. Perhaps that is the right path? Although Ethan is clearly on the warpath for the MC now now. ;)
I'm certainly curious to see if either choice will have an impact in this next update, will we finally do something with that phone? Will John expendending extra time inside play against him? Same thing for the MC in the punch Ethan scenario?

And it is an incorrect name, as it's not permanent and he does get back up quite quickly.
It's just an easter egg, meant to be a little fun to us, the game wouldn't actually allow us to commit murder... even if the guy has it coming.
It would also lead to a totally different story with the MC finding love in prison with a guy named "Big Mark".
 
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Hate quoting myself, but I was wrong on the intervene path, but didn't want to go back and edit something people had already left thumbs up for. Seeing I just did it, it's unfortunate I forgot it so fast, but I went back and replayed it.

There is no "investigation" asked for by Ethan if you intervene with Erynn while John is inside. Ethan just leaves his business card with John and says he wants to discuss further and leaves with the other girls. Perhaps that is the right path? Although Ethan is clearly on the warpath for the MC now now. ;)


I guess helping Erynn at the door protects John - for now.

My theory is if we don't intervene, we may come home to John in the hospital and his garage trashed. Then Iris might do something drastic.

Since we intervened, we might come home to our house trashed.

Don't be so hard on Ethan's goons Julian and Guy. They either suffer from the same thing Ximena and Santi suffer from: goldfish-itis or goldfish memory. Either that or they have short term memory loss from John punching Julian in the nose and the MC elbowing Guy in the jaw. :HideThePain:

NOTE: That fatality achievement is evidence that Nyx reads this forum and some times takes suggestions.
Months before update 12 was released, user @Defenstrator.for.Traitor made a suggestion that beating down Ethan in the alley the first time should unlock some kind of fatality achievement. He was hoping that we could at least get a Mortal Kombat graphic of Ethan's face in a bloody pulp, but I guess we'll take banging his ape head into oblivion.

 
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I guess helping Erynn at the door protects John - for now.

My theory is if we don't intervene, we may come home to John in the hospital and his garage trashed. Then Iris might do something drastic.

Since we intervened, we might come home to our house trashed.

Don't be so hard on Ethan's goons Julian and Guy. They either suffer from the same thing Ximena and Santi suffer from: goldfish-itis or goldfish memory. Either that or they have short term memory loss from John punching Julian in the nose and the MC elbowing Guy in the jaw. :HideThePain:

NOTE: That fatality achievement is evidence that Nyx reads this forum and some times takes suggestions.
Months before update 12 was released, user @Defenstrator.for.Traitor made a suggestion that beating down Ethan in the alley the first time should unlock some kind of fatality achievement. He was hoping that we could at least get a Mortal Kombat graphic of Ethan's face in a bloody pulp, but I guess we'll take banging his ape head into oblivion.

I am still a firm believer in sticking to the plan and letting John do his thing. The intervene option just seems to me like it will have bad repercussions. I don't think that Ethan and his goons are much of a threat to John, he can take care of himself as we saw if he helped the MC instead of Val.
I will do a run where the MC jumps in and ruins the plan and takes Ethan's phone, just to see what happens. But I have a feeling it's not going to be good.
 

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I am still a firm believer in sticking to the plan and letting John do his thing. The intervene option just seems to me like it will have bad repercussions. I don't think that Ethan and his goons are much of a threat to John, he can take care of himself as we saw if he helped the MC instead of Val.
I will do a run where the MC jumps in and ruins the plan and takes Ethan's phone, just to see what happens. But I have a feeling it's not going to be good.
I'd argue the intervene option will accomplish nothing but giving Ethan an ass-kicking. So they get his phone, do we really think he wouldn't backup his blackmail material?

I think the main reason John could handle himself was because he had the element of surprise and MC joins the scrap. When Ethan learns who he is and where to find him, all he has to do is wait until he is alone at work or it's just John and Iris.
 

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I'd argue the intervene option will accomplish nothing but giving Ethan an ass-kicking. So they get his phone, do we really think he wouldn't backup his blackmail material?

I think the main reason John could handle himself was because he had the element of surprise and MC joins the scrap. When Ethan learns who he is and where to find him, all he has to do is wait until he is alone at work or it's just John and Iris.
I think that the consequences for the MC will be far higher for beating up Ethan again and taking his phone, than it will be for John for not being who he says he is. If we can believe that they can even figure out who John is or isn't, which I doubt.
 

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I think that the consequences for the MC will be far higher for beating up Ethan again and taking his phone, than it will be for John for not being who he says he is. If we can believe that they can even figure out who John is or isn't, which I doubt.
Fair enough. John's only in real trouble if Goon Julian remembers who he is which might take a while.

Intervention may mean immediate repercussions. Ethan knows where the mc and Erynn live. He even taunts the MC regarding Val if she got involved.

Ethan and Tweedledum and Tweedledee may try something while we're in Alvarado, Riverside. Melissa, Emily might also be in danger.
 

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I think that the consequences for the MC will be far higher for beating up Ethan again and taking his phone, than it will be for John for not being who he says he is. If we can believe that they can even figure out who John is or isn't, which I doubt.
I think the consequences will come for MC, intervention or not. Ethan already had his ass kicked at least once (twice if you save Erynn), he knows that MC will continue to lead Erynn away from his influence.
Everyone who learns of the plan to have John pretend to hire Erynn thinks it's a bad idea. The way I see it, you are unnecessarily involving someone and just inviting more trouble.

As for him finding John's identity, it wouldn't be hard. He's hardly the most inconspicuous gentleman. With Ethan's contacts, he'll find him.
 
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Fair enough. John's only in real trouble if Goon Julian remembers who he is which might take a while.

Intervention may mean immediate repercussions. Ethan knows where the mc and Erynn live. He even taunts the MC regarding Val if she got involved.

Ethan and Tweedledum and Tweedledee may try something while we're in Alvarado, Riverside. Melissa, Emily might also be in danger.
I'm not sure about them remembering as it's not a canon event, sometimes Val will help you if you have enough points. But we shall see I guess. My hope is that the whole Ethan thing gets wrapped up quickly so we can move past it honestly.
 
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