VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.13] [Nyx]

[stuffstuffstuff]

Yeah the part that it makes Erynn remember that claim from Ethan makes sense, that is not the point and that it might make her more likely to believe what Ethan said then as well at that moment in her anger.

The thing is though that Alexis sleeping with Ethan at that time according to Ethan, should have never been a point in the first place unless Erryn had a claim to Ethan when that was supposed to happen in the first place. Also her connecting it to stealing MC away from her, indicates even stronger how she would have considered Alexis sleeping with Ethan then. Namely Alexis sleeping with what was hers at that time.

The remark says something about Alexis possibly and something bad she might have done earlier, it also says something more even about Erryn though and how she saw the relation with Ethan at the time this was supposed to have happened. Even if I would also prefer if Erryn had never cared about Ethan, that is not what I (read clearly I, Nyx may fully disagree or have meant it different as I see it) take away from all the hints.

My take is way more that Erryn was interested, Ethan blew it due to being a supreme asshole (likely at least twice) and now as the asshole he is will do whatever is needed to still posses her whether Erryn still wants that or not and most indications is that now she does not, which landed Erryn in the mess she is in now. Not really helped by some of her own choices.

Spoiler: The Alexis/Ethan conversation with Erynn

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She says she never liked him like that and rejected him, and so he went back to being an asshole. And if you never hooked up with Alexis, she believes Alexis didn't do it. Just her anger cast doubt over it if you have been with Alexis.

And my guess on why that lie would almost succeed in breaking up their friendship is that Erynn would feel she was betrayed by her best friend hooking up with someone who treats her the way Ethan does.

 

[Darkness65]

The thing is though that Alexis sleeping with Ethan at that time according to Ethan, should have never been a point in the first place unless Erryn had a claim to Ethan when that was supposed to happen in the first place.

Well, it was not a point in the end. It was a failed attempt to separate them. They remained friends after the claim.

The way I see it, there is this scumbag, bullying Erynn's friends, trying to socially isolate her, been overly insisting in a relationship, leaving only Alexis in her life, and suddenly saying "oh, and your best friend? She slept with me". I can see a reason of confrontation. But they talked about it and solved the issue. It surfaces again, well, as a "you're lying now, you've been lying before".

Edit: Damn! Basically what says the post above. To slow to think and write in English

 

[DA22]

Well, it was not a point in the end. It was a failed attempt to separate them. They remained friends after the claim.

The way I see it, there is this scumbag, bullying Erynn's friends, trying to socially isolate her, been overly insisting in a relationship, leaving only Alexis in her life, and suddenly saying "oh, and your best friend? She slept with me". I can see a reason of confrontation. But they talked about it and solved the issue. It surfaces again, well, as a "you're lying now, you've been lying before".

Well we have different takes on that then and when you would use those words Erryn used. Let us leave it at that. Doubt you can convince me or me you after the explanation I gave already. For me, those words do not fit unless Alexis slept with someone Erryn was at the time it was alleged to happen in a relation with, though I agree with your Ethan motivation. Future will tell.

 

[Draakaap23]

The amount of speculation and second guessing is off the charts in this thread. I can see the fun in that, but I would not recommend getting hang up on what you think has happened with characters in the story. That is like hype, you might hype yourself with expectations that might not manifest!

 

[Darkness65]

Hey, DA22 , that's the beauty of it, isn't it? We all got to play our own unique game

 

[DA22]

The amount of speculation and second guessing is off the charts in this thread. I can see the fun in that, but I would not recommend getting hang up on what you think has happened with characters in the story. That is like hype, you might hype yourself with expectations that might not manifest!

It is not like I would be disappointed if Erryn never would have had any interest in Ethan indeed as a friend or more. This is one of those situations where I will be glad if proved wrong in the end and there are enough opportunities for that. Just the story until now makes much more sense in my view if she was interested or flattered by Ethan around the time of the confession, till he blew it himself by her finding out what an incredible dick he was and is.

 

[Canto Forte]

MC did the only decent young boy gesture - offer a flower and confess your love to your best friend.
They were best friends who spent less and less time together, because Eyrinn would banter with Ethan.
She knew Ethan was a s s ho le, she hated him, still she would hang with him despite this.
MC was left with far in between confessions Eyrinn would drop on him,
of how she was fed up with Ethan, how she was hurt or angry.

Problem was, she was not doing any of the stuff best friends do - hang out,
She was doing the hanging out with them other friends, including Ethan.

MC was not into the harass / hormones induced ass hole boy friend nonsense.
Ethan was always bantering for lewds with Eyrinn.

There you have it. Eyrinn chose the ass h ol e instead of the sweet Mc,
Alexis did see his true colors, hurt because he was loosing his best friend.

Because Eyrinn chose not to go immediately and console MC, as a best friend would,
but stay and berate Ethan, that was the last straw.

Even in defending MC, Eyrinn would choose to speak her mind first to Ethan, leaving Mc in the winds.

the MCs confession was him panicking because he thought he was losing his best friend so he thought the best solution was to tell her he loved her

Who is Maya? From which novel? I do like Erynn and I do like Steph... Also like that redhead nurse Leah so many of you have problems with. Poor girl, she was simply misunderstood. She wasn't as great as Melisa, but I like her too.



Ohh I totally missed that!

I don't know anymore, the fact that he has a song dedicated to his love for Erynn... kinda complicated things and how i interpreted his feelings at the time.

It was certainly precipitated by the fact he thought he was losing her however.

i believe he loves her and probably has for a while but at the time of confession i think it was more of a ''please dont forget about me'' kind of thing, and we also dont know when he made that song

I actually loved Erynn reaction. It totally made sense. You are a 15 years old girl. Suddenly this 12 years old boy that is like your young brother comes and confess to you in front of your friends. I think her reactions are totally justified. Being a teenager is not easy!

The part about Erynn complaining to Alexis about sleeping with Ethan is not more a consequence of the impact of learning Alexis is sleeping with MC? After all, in the mid of emotion, suddenly you start believing that thing that you never believed, but you are angry with this person and that event is extremely similar to this one. Again, it feels reasonable.

If there is one critique I would do to Erynn is that she went to Alexis to speak and let her know her opinion on the matter. But now, just because of their friendship, I think she should at least listen to Alexis. While I am not saying it is justified, if I was in Alexis's place, I would like to have the chance to apologize to my best friend. She can later tell me to go to hell, but the benefit of listening to her is something I would do as Erynn, as I would liked to be heard as Alexis!


What? You don't like fiery redheads that would do anything for love? She could be a Disney Princess!

The confession itself is certainly made out of desperation...
His feelings probably very confusing and conflicted at the time.
At 12 he's probably starting to get sexual thoughts, with Erynn naturally taking center stage in his "dreams".

The song has to come from the five years away, and on the later part of it, if i remember it correctly when he moves in with Cara/Nikki the "learning to play" it's still a thing for him, so last 1.5 years maybe... he couldn't simply move there and compose a song.

 

[Darkmetal]

er "He stopped his friendly facade and went back to his old ways of being jealous and bullying everyone I was talking to."
er "It was so bad for a while that only Alexis was left who talked to me."

This just emphasises the point of Erynn, for some reason, being unable to tell Ethan to GTFO.

In a circle of friends, 99.99% of the time the odd one out whom everyone hates is the one ostracized and expelled from the group. Yet the reverse happened here. Believe you me, if Erynn had backed her friends via action, the group would have rounded on Ethan like a pack of wolves on a stranded moose. Instead Erynn and Ethan remained "associated" and all her friends went "fuck this shit, I'm outta here" just like the MC before them. This is a pattern, one that is recognized by Erynn herself. Inaction is also a choice.

Remember, this is pre-blackmail. Erynn is behaving like a person with battered wife syndrome when she obviously isn't a wife nor even owe shyte to Ethan at this point as far as we know...so the question as to why has opened the door to much speculation.

 

[Bailz]

like i said, before the MC came back Erynn was to far down the rabbit hole she was just trying to survive, now since the MC came back its gave her the wake up call she so badly needed and she started to rebel against Ethan, she just needs that little guidance now to overcome her fears and finally rid herself of that douchebag

 

[gchero21]

i literally just need anyone in the universe to provide an Elena guide and I'll be happy. I have tried everything, and I can never seem to get the bus kiss scene or the post phone call scene to trigger

 

[cxx]

i literally just need anyone in the universe to provide an Elena guide and I'll be happy. I have tried everything, and I can never seem to get the bus kiss scene or the post phone call scene to trigger

wt-mod

 

[LSC82]

This just emphasises the point of Erynn, for some reason, being unable to tell Ethan to GTFO.

In a circle of friends, 99.99% of the time the odd one out whom everyone hates is the one ostracized and expelled from the group. Yet the reverse happened here. Believe you me, if Erynn had backed her friends via action, the group would have rounded on Ethan like a pack of wolves on a stranded moose. Instead Erynn and Ethan remained "associated" and all her friends went "fuck this shit, I'm outta here" just like the MC before them. This is a pattern, one that is recognized by Erynn herself. Inaction is also a choice.

Remember, this is pre-blackmail. Erynn is behaving like a person with battered wife syndrome when she obviously isn't a wife nor even owe shyte to Ethan at this point as far as we know...so the question as to why has opened the door to much speculation.

It took her too long to act, yes... immaturity... naive... wanting to give people a second chance... no matter why it did take her way too long.
But she eventually got rid of him sometime before she started seeing Zane.
Then the MFer sneaked his way back in through blackmail.

Now at this point she's still a high schooler and didn't want anybody to see or know about the tape... so she decided she would handle things alone without asking for anybodies help.
But it didn't go the way she thought it would, he kept coming and escalating her problems and if she was ashamed to tell anyone of the initial tape it only got worst with the escort job.
At this point in that instead of fighting and looking for a way out, she kept digging a deeper hole for herself which is where we find ourselves.

Now with the MCs support she seems to be recovering her will to fight back.

 

[stuffstuffstuff]

This just emphasises the point of Erynn, for some reason, being unable to tell Ethan to GTFO.

In a circle of friends, 99.99% of the time the odd one out whom everyone hates is the one ostracized and expelled from the group. Yet the reverse happened here. Believe you me, if Erynn had backed her friends via action, the group would have rounded on Ethan like a pack of wolves on a stranded moose. Instead Erynn and Ethan remained "associated" and all her friends went "fuck this shit, I'm outta here" just like the MC before them. This is a pattern, one that is recognized by Erynn herself. Inaction is also a choice.

Remember, this is pre-blackmail. Erynn is behaving like a person with battered wife syndrome when she obviously isn't a wife nor even owe shyte to Ethan at this point as far as we know...so the question as to why has opened the door to much speculation.

From what we do know, her friend group outside of MC at the time of the confession was Alexis and Ethan. That's all we see her with. He also tried to monopolize her time (Going to school with her every day, etc), and keep other people away from her.

She may not have had any friends other than Alexis because of him. She didn't say he bullied her friends. She said he bullied anyone she talked to.

EDIT: To add, she also didn't say she continued to hang out with him through high school. She said he didn't take the rejection well and turned into an asshole. They don't have to hang out for him to harass people and continue trying to isolate her.

They're in high school, and in a small town. It's probably hard to avoid him.

 

[Osamabeenfappin]

Blackmail, have you been paying attention?

Thats stupid,so Erryns mom was like your going to prom with this dude you hate. Ok,OK, to see here.

And then further down the road Erryns mom is like,you're being managed by this guy you hate,ok nothing to see here.

Or occams razor,Ethan and Erryn remained friends.

 

[LSC82]

EDIT: To add, she also didn't say she continued to hang out with him through high school. She said he didn't take the rejection well and turned into an asshole. They don't have to hang out for him to harass people and continue trying to isolate her.

They're in high school, and in a small town. It's probably hard to avoid him.

That's a good point, they are in school and it's hard to completely ignore/get rid of someone you forcibly see everyday...
We get enough posts here about "how do i get rid of Layla?"(btw HOW DARE YOU), you can't... because wether you like it or not she's there everyday.
Sometimes you just have to suck it up, (fake)smile, play nice and hope for the best.

Cara hung out with terrible friends in school.
Even Alexis says she didn't like him, but was still hanging around when he was there, no other option really.

Only Layla is blessed with an awesome friend like Elena and sometimes goofball Zach.

Thats stupid,so Erryns mom was like your going to prom with this dude you hate. Ok,OK, to see here.

And then further down the road Erryns mom is like,you're being managed by this guy you hate,ok nothing to see here.

Or occams razor,Ethan and Erryn remained friends.

Melissa clearly doesn't know what's going on with her, MC says "Erynn you should tell your mom", and she doesn't interfere because Erynn hasn't requested help, whatever excuse she made to her mom she took it at face value.

And yeah, best of friends, their interaction in that alley really warmed my heart...

 

[Bailz]

what i wanna know now is, if there is a tape was Zane involved because how else would Ethan be able to record it, if he was then i'll just have to dig a second grave next to Ethans maybe a third for Lucas

 

[LSC82]

what i wanna know now is, if there is a tape was Zane involved because how else would Ethan be able to record it, if he was then i'll just have to dig a second grave next to Ethans maybe a third for Lucas

Either Zane was "boys" with Ethan, told him his plans... and Ethan backstabbed him.
Or being a little too loud on what he was planning to do with Erynn that night (in this case a good portion of the school also knew).
Maybe Zane taped it and sent it to his boys, most just watched and gave him "props", except Ethan again playing backstabbing bitch.

He has to play some part, i just don't know if it's gonna be out of being just as much of a dick, or a loudmouth idiot...

 

[Osamabeenfappin]

That's a good point, they are in school and it's hard to completely ignore/get rid of someone you forcibly see everyday...
We get enough posts here about "how do i get rid of Layla?"(btw HOW DARE YOU), you can't... because wether you like it or not she's there everyday.
Sometimes you just have to suck it up, (fake)smile, play nice and hope for the best.

Cara hung out with terrible friends in school.
Even Alexis says she didn't like him, but was still hanging around when he was there, no other option really.

Only Layla is blessed with an awesome friend like Elena and sometimes goofball Zach.



Melissa clearly doesn't know what's going on with her, MC says "Erynn you should tell your mom", and she doesn't interfere because Erynn hasn't requested help, whatever excuse she made to her mom she took it at face value.

And yeah, best of friends, their interaction in that alley really warmed my heart...

I didn't say thier still friends,but odds are they remained friends at least till prom.

 

[stuffstuffstuff]

I didn't say thier still friends,but odds are they remained friends at least till prom.

I am genuinely curious what leads you to believe this? Pretty much all Erynn or Alexis has ever said is about how terrible he is/was and their dislike/hatred for him.

EDIT: A snippet from my last post:

Spoiler: Ethan is an ass

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That definitely doesn't read like "Oh, I continued to be friends with him for the next two years"

 

[LSC82]

I didn't say thier still friends,but odds are they remained friends at least till prom.

For that to be the case she would have to be lying, which i guess it's possible but there are no signs corroborating it.
She was opening her heart, telling a whole story about being blackmailed, a lot of things that she is ashamed of... afraid the MC would hate her for it... but decided to tell a lie about this one (kind of irrelevant) thing? Doesn't compute.

And of course opens up a whole can of worms, are other characters lying?
For example, Did Alexis hook up with Ethan and is now lying about it?

Keep in mind that most girls have their own douchy guy... Layla has Lucas, Erynn has a tag team of Zane/Ethan, Gabi is married, Cara has E-Manual, Nikki had... ex-boyfriend from the bar.
For Alexis this spot is still to be filled.