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MrD812

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Had no interest in Tori or Julia but eventually Lexi/Layla forces a choice I just ran into. So now it's Erynn/Cara which will come to a head at some point I'm sure. How did you manage all those LI's with no repercussions?
Make no mistake, there are some here and there.
 

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Had no interest in Tori or Julia but eventually Lexi/Layla forces a choice I just ran into. So now it's Erynn/Cara which will come to a head at some point I'm sure. How did you manage all those LI's with no repercussions?
Like the Lexi/Layla choice, Nikki/Cara are the same. Even while in a relationship with Layla or Lexi, you can still sleep with the other girls... there will likely be repercussions... But you can do it.
 

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This game needs a blackmail tag
That is not really a key element of the game, nor is it part of the fetishes.

As an analogy: an interracial couple might be the main couple in the story. But if the interracial part is not fetishized, it doesn't get an interracial tag.
 
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i had this argument with NYX a long time ago!

Alexxis has had the hots for the MC ever since she saw him at the tattoo parlour!
She also talked with Laykin who told her he is an amazing fuck!
that before she knew the MC was Erynn little brother!

and thats what Nyx kind of told betewen the lines to shut me up!

as for the Erynn crush i once more must call bullshit or people must believe Erynn to be a pedophile!
she can not have sexual interest in a little child last time she saw him he was a 13 year old pimpled puberty little dork!

she as no claim on the MC love life whatsoever, she can claim dibs or brotherly love or old childhood friends (NO NOT LIKE THAT FFS!), she can even be bothered Lexxi lied to her, but considering her obcessive behavior she did the best she could to scoop in some time before Erynn went all Erynn on him and smother him without letting the poor dude breath!

If Erynn was a true friend and we forget the little lie of costing her a few days with her long lost little brother then she should be thrilled that an amazing girl she calls her best friend is in love with someone she loves... in a non sexual way!

all we see is jealousy bullshit but when it comes time to pay for that attention they envy so much they find excuses not to put out! Lexxi pays in full Erynn creates even more debts with her tears and problems and lack of trust!

so sorry here i disagree Erynn as no more right to the MC affection in terms of sex then lexxi, if anything lexxi pays in full what Erynn takes in credit and probably will never repay!
because she is not a virgin, and according to the tape she kind of really enjoys sex ... and if you say trust issues... i agree with you totally and in every way, she says one thing and does another time and time again taxing the MC time patient and emotional attachment!
I generally agree with you here, but I would point out that when the MC declared his love for her at 13, she was still a kid as well, so having a crush on him would have been weird but acceptable. I think what has happened is that the MC left without the two of them ever talking about it and over the years, the idea/mystery of the MC became appealing to Erynn. She doesn't really know what those feelings are but she wanted to explore them; she wants to meet with the MC and see what her feelings really are. This is what she would have told Alexis and this is why she is pissed. I think Erynn had every right to be angry at Alexis, not because Alexis fell for the MC, but because she hid it and lied along the way. This is where Alexis loses all credibility for me.

I am not a fan of Erynn. She thinks the way she treated the MC when they were kids was okay, but she left the conversation when the poor kid was pouring out his heart. That was pretty cold. It showed me that the MC wasn't important enough to give the MC her full attention at that moment. Yes, okay, she was 16 and confused... I am not saying I don't understand it, but while the MC ran away, she didn't really handle it well either. Plus, her choice to be friends with Ethan in the first place was stupid.
 

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Yeah, okay, I'm gonna give my opinion here, and as always, everyone can disagree, but...I just played the update, and it lasted...an hour? an hour and half? I was on the Nikki route, so I don't know if that's a problem or not, but in any case, I have to ask, and this is not said as an offense or anything like that, but, why do people pay for this? I'd understand if you paid for a month, but to pay for 6 months, so much can change in 6 months it's ridiculous, which is pretty much the time between one update and another, so you can have so little content? It feels like such a waste to me. I suppose I'd even get if it was something like BaDIK, that has so much content it's ridiculous, but this is not BaDIK. Do you believe the update was worth the wait? Genuinely asking. I truly don't think so. The amount of content + quality, even if it's fun, it's just not worth it for me. And I'm just sharing this here to know you guys opinions.
 

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Yeah, okay, I'm gonna give my opinion here, and as always, everyone can disagree, but...I just played the update, and it lasted...an hour? an hour and half? I was on the Nikki route, so I don't know if that's a problem or not, but in any case, I have to ask, and this is not said as an offense or anything like that, but, why do people pay for this? I'd understand if you paid for a month, but to pay for 6 months, so much can change in 6 months it's ridiculous, which is pretty much the time between one update and another, so you can have so little content? It feels like such a waste to me. I suppose I'd even get if it was something like BaDIK, that has so much content it's ridiculous, but this is not BaDIK. Do you believe the update was worth the wait? Genuinely asking. I truly don't think so. The amount of content + quality, even if it's fun, it's just not worth it for me. And I'm just sharing this here to know you guys opinions.
I think, if you were a patreon of hers (and I am), you would probably understand. She gives a ton of updates and discusses her successes and her struggles. She struggled with this update as far as getting the story to go the way she wanted it but worked through it and talked about it along the way. She is one person doing all of this. I am not sure if she has a rendering rig or not, but regardless, it's a lot of work, especially with all the paths. It may not take much time to write one scene, but if you have to tweak that scene base on previous choices, you could be writing that scene multiple times.

The great part about this VN is also the worst part... all the choices and all the repercussions. The farther along in the game she goes, the more choices she has to manage and keep track of. She has to think of every scenario based on who the MC is dating, fucking or ignoring. It would be a maddening job.

So to answer your question, we support her because she works really hard and she is all by herself and she really wants to put out a quality product.

So yeah...


EDIT; I should also point out, she has never coded or rendered prior to this game. I mean, this is her first effort out of the gate. It really is impressive.
 

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The idium is played like a fiddle though.

5 years apart is probably why. Ethan has 5 years to manipulate Zach and everyone else.
I know the idiom, I just don't think it fits the situation very well so I prefer to mangle it into something more apt. :p

At any rate, it sure doesn't feel like Ethan's been pals with Zach for 5 years. When the game started, Zach was extremely eager to hang out with the MC again. That suggests that either the MC and he used to be REALLY good friends, or that Zach had no other close friends at the time (or both, of course). Personally, given how socially awkward Zach is constantly portrayed as, I'd say this 'close' friendship feels extremely recent. Which is fine - I can see Zach bonding with Ethan very quickly and I could even see him taking Zach's side thanks to his frustrations at the MC's success with the girls. But that still leaves us well short of slugging the MC just because he accused Ethan of misbehaving.

Unfortunately, that's what we got. It not only torpedoes Zach's already fragile likeability, it also feels like yet another retcon to justify yet another shocking twist.


She wasn't forced, she had sex with her boyfriend and Ethan says he has a recording of it.

I will admit the plot line surrounding it is really dumb in my opinion for this reason....

She is being blackmailed because she wants to be a teacher and if her sex tape got out it would ruin her chances .... so she's being blackmailed into escorting the rich clients Ethan asks her too which would also ruin her chances if it got out.

She has more chance of shutting the blackmail down, because it's an actual crime, whereas escorting is more likely to ruin any chance she has of being a teacher so she's causing more harm than good.

This after the game tries to tell us how intelligent she is and her falling for, arguably, the dumbest blackmail ever because she hasn't even verified the existence of said sex tape.

Also she knows Ethan is trouble, she knows he's been getting more aggressive and she still puts herself in the position to be in where we are now.

So, 2 things are possible here. Either her plotline is dumb on purpose because she's being killed off and it won't matter OR she herself is dumb and falls for the most basic of shit.

1 thing I want to put on record is I love this game. My comments about dumb plotline ONLY counts towards Erynn. She is, by far, the single worst "love interest" in the game (term used loosely because i'm not convinced of her survival ... by all rights she should have won a Darwin award by now) and the fact I have to keep her happy to stay on my Lexi route got on my rather adorable tits.

I can ignore other LI's but i've had to follow this ridiculous blackmail nonsense and her headache enducing thought process of "I can't let a sex tape of my college days filmed without my knowledge and against my will get out because that would ruin my chances of being a teacher .... so now i'm working as what is essentially a high end escort which is far worse but i'm blonde so that's my logic".....


I love the game and I love 99% of the cast I just can't . stand . Erynn.
I'd still say Rachel continuing to work at the Red Maiden in Photo Hunt holds the belt for dumbest blackmail plot in an AVN, but I agree Erynn's behavior is certainly a 'worthy' rival. I like Erynn enough that I'm willing to chalk it up to poor writing rather than hanging it all on the character, but we're pretty much at my breaking point. Even if this turns out to be a red herring and Erynn is fine, we need to sort out Erynn's shit and start giving her proper LI content. Otherwise, we need to abandon the pretense, admit she's in no condition to romance anyone, and write her out of the game (though preferably not by stuffing her into a refrigerator).


Honestly it's the worst story for many reasons.

Alexis is introduced as this girl who is into 1 night stands and bootycalls the MC. Nothing wrong with that, that's a fun girl.
But later we learn she's best friends with Erynn and knew who the mc was all along, which begged the question:
"If you knew all along he was your BFFs crush why did you fuck him? And kept fucking him later?"
"I fucked him because he's hot" would obviously make for a despicable friend, so this got retconned into somehow she feels deeply connected to this kid she barely knew but stole her first kiss for a few seconds, five years ago.

The retcon flips her from girl who likes to have some fun to hopelessly in love way too fast(totally overshooting past me who was just having some fun with this girl and now she's uber attached).
And this backstory is something i can't relate to, she's a horrible backstabbing friend and more than a little manipulative.
And funny enough is sanctimonious as shit if she catches you lying to her, Jesus the high horse on this girl.

The Alexis vs Layla (and vs Erynn) drama being written out so quickly killed the character for good to me.
This was the kind of drama that i was enjoying(not girls getting assaulted or worst), how would they react when they found out? It's all solved quickly and without fireworks, Layla takes it in the chin like a champ, which feels very wrong to me(Alexis at least cries).
And if you kept the lie they find out off screen, she just pops in to tell you off, not unrealistic, but not the most entertaining way to handle this.

With Erynn much the same, there is a "getting caught" route, so some fireworks, but even if you witheld info in the previous episode(and got the almost sex with Erynn scene)the MC automatically tells Erynn he's with Alexis after the training camp, you can't even stick to lying, it's handled for you automatically, that's disappointing.
And of course Erynn now has much bigger problems to worry about than catfighting Alexis.
Yeah, that's pretty much my take on Alexis as well. She's introduced as a girl who's down to fuck, which isn't my cup of tea but is fine for a porn game. But then we simultaneously transition from that to explaining that she's always pined for the MC (despite barely ever speaking with him and making no effort to contact him) AND her refusing to admit this to him lest he reject her (despite it being blindingly obvious the truth would come out fairly quickly).

One way or the other, Alexis isn't someone I want to spend time with. Maybe I'd change my opinion if we could see the MC bonding with her over other things, but unfortunately she all but disappears from the game if the MC isn't sleeping with her.


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Yeah, okay, I'm gonna give my opinion here, and as always, everyone can disagree, but...I just played the update, and it lasted...an hour? an hour and half? I was on the Nikki route, so I don't know if that's a problem or not, but in any case, I have to ask, and this is not said as an offense or anything like that, but, why do people pay for this? I'd understand if you paid for a month, but to pay for 6 months, so much can change in 6 months it's ridiculous, which is pretty much the time between one update and another, so you can have so little content? It feels like such a waste to me. I suppose I'd even get if it was something like BaDIK, that has so much content it's ridiculous, but this is not BaDIK. Do you believe the update was worth the wait? Genuinely asking. I truly don't think so. The amount of content + quality, even if it's fun, it's just not worth it for me. And I'm just sharing this here to know you guys opinions.
I don't think BaDIK is a fair comparison. Between DPC's maniacal work schedule and the huge resources he has available to fund the development, BaDIK is an extreme outlier. And frankly, I think there's enough material in this update game to justify the development time... numerically. I just think that time was allocated very poorly. The Iris flashback didn't need this level of attention, and the Nikki/Cara scenes are good but the relationships with those characters are the same place at the end of the episode as they were at the beginning.
 
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Yeah, okay, I'm gonna give my opinion here, and as always, everyone can disagree, but...I just played the update, and it lasted...an hour? an hour and half? I was on the Nikki route, so I don't know if that's a problem or not, but in any case, I have to ask, and this is not said as an offense or anything like that, but, why do people pay for this? I'd understand if you paid for a month, but to pay for 6 months, so much can change in 6 months it's ridiculous, which is pretty much the time between one update and another, so you can have so little content? It feels like such a waste to me. I suppose I'd even get if it was something like BaDIK, that has so much content it's ridiculous, but this is not BaDIK. Do you believe the update was worth the wait? Genuinely asking. I truly don't think so. The amount of content + quality, even if it's fun, it's just not worth it for me. And I'm just sharing this here to know you guys opinions.
i do not think you realize what this is... 1st 80% of the people on this site do not pay for nothing we are pirates harghhh!

those that do pay a small amount like 1$ per month so its well worth the price!

and some of us, who i will not disclose, see this as a mecenas moment we pay for what we consider art, like the Medicis of old payed for Raphaello work!
or the king of France payed for Leonardo da Vinci works! so we are not paying for entertainment we pay for beauty to come into the world!
so its us rubbing our own egos and feeling like the kings of old ordering the construction of cathedrals that we hope will become landmarks in the medium or something that will be enjoyed for generations to come!

most of us can not draw for shit but we can appreciate the work put in!
so we reward the art! besides what for some is 1$ out of their paycheck for others it is 50$ or 100$ it is in relative terms the same!
so for someone who makes 1.000 a month that donates 2$ is in reality giving more then someone who makes 10.000 and only gives 10$!
just because you can not consider others who live under different circumstances it does not mean they do not exist, only that you can not comprehend it!

and if you think that`s insulting i revert you back to your post where you do admit not understanding!
so i am not insulting you... not that i could ever do unless you accept it 1st, but that a fine point of philosophy i do not wish to elaborate right now!

basically what you consider excessive is the priçe of a coffee for others in a few select places in the world!
furthermore if Nyx trully wanted to make excessive amounts of money...
fucking hell making and selling the Erynn sex tape on e-bay for the ntr crowd to bid on i bet she could perhaps make from 200 to 1500!
and the dude that payed the 1500 would probably just pay for what for me would probably mean a night out with the lads!

if she wanted to cater to such types, people are willing to put their money on their fetishes, and nothing wrong with that!
but here we are mostly vanilla... well not really but we suport this story... for the story not the kinks and fan service!

i hope i was able to enlighten you a bit better on the why Nyx gets what she gets... which in imho is not enough for the quality provided!
Also your comparison with the other game in unwanted and unfair, DPC earned everything he has but he has over 12.000 patrons
Nyx not even 1000 so per your own logic she should just produce 1/12 of what dpc produces... since she produces more then 1/12 of what DPC produces
she is giving more for what she gets and therefore is actually, under your logic but just using different metrics, underpaid!

as for the rest, i am sorry i stoped answering back, sometimes i get hard on a debate and go all balls in into it!
but i am also banned in several threads and have too many infractions points for my taste,
so a declaration of waifu wars and i am out can not risk the censorship hammer, again for the *censored* time
besides i have no meat in this battle love the game but not a favorite LI, so not worth it!
you guys are worth it may it be understand but not the situation i find myself in!
 
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Yeah, that's pretty much my take on Alexis as well. She's introduced as a girl who's down to fuck, which isn't my cup of tea but is fine for a porn game. But then we simultaneously transition from that to explaining that she's always pined for the MC (despite barely ever speaking with him and making no effort to contact him) AND her refusing to admit this to him lest he reject her (despite it being blindingly obvious the truth would come out fairly quickly).

One way or the other, Alexis isn't someone I want to spend time with. Maybe I'd change my opinion if we could see the MC bonding with her over other things, but unfortunately she all but disappears from the game if the MC isn't sleeping with her.

That's another thing, that's a lot more personal than a undeniable mistake, but "it's too fast", she bangs the MC day zero, immediately after reencountering this dude she had 1 major interaction with, which makes it hard to buy in how hard she's fighting against her feelings.

And then while i'm still counting my options, she switches into overly attached girlfriend mode!!! Red Flag!!!!

If they kept running into each other for a few episodes, and we had something initiated by the MC instead of her always being the instigator it would be easier to understand that she just "couldn't resist despite her best efforts".
 
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That's another thing, that's a lot more personal than a undeniable mistake, but "it's too fast", she bangs the MC day zero, immediately after reencountering this dude she had 1 major interaction with, which makes it hard to buy in how hard she's fighting against her feelings.

And then while i'm still counting my options, she switches into overly attached girlfriend mode!!! Red Flag!!!!

If they kept running into each other for few episodes, and we had something initiated by the MC instead of her always being the instigator it would be easier to understand that she just "couldn't resist despite her best efforts".
Of course, if it dragged on for several episodes, as you suggest, people would bitch about it taking too long.

Erynn and Alexis have been best friends since early childhood. The MC and Erynn have also been very close during that time. It follows that Alexis has stood by and watched as the MC's childhood crush becomes puppy love, becomes wannabe girlfriend/boyfriend. Her interactions with the MC may not have been as deep as Erynn's, but they have been there as long. Just thinking out loud here.
 
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Of course, if it dragged on for several episodes, as you suggest, people would bitch about it taking too long.

Erynn and Alexis have been best friends since early childhood. The MC and Erynn have also been very close during that time. It follows that Alexis has stood by and watched as the MC's childhood crush becomes puppy love, becomes wannabe girlfriend/boyfriend. Her interactions with the MC may not have been as deep as Erynn's, but they have been there as long. Just thinking out loud here.
Most other girls are dragging along to this day, and i wasn't even advocating taking this long.

And indeed her relationship to the MC wasn't anywhere near as deep as Erynn, it's established that Erynn has been pining for the MC to come back into her life for a long time.
Alexis barely remembered him and basically goes "oh it's that kid" and jumps into hopelessly in love in a flash.

One thing i can buy is that both girls meet this guy who they used to have some type of feelings for, except he is now grown up into a hunk and makes them wet and tingly.
But for a girl who has some personal reasons to resist her urges, Alexis doesn't do super well.
 
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The story needs work. So the MC just got jumped by the dude that attacked his childhood friend/crush/LI + 3 other guys, his response is to go home and play video games? Not to check on her or even give her a heads up the dude with 3 other dudes and is out for revenge.
 

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Also, why would we get friendship points with Zach if, in the end, he will always side with Ethan and punch MC? Even if Zach apologize in the future, he cross the line too much in that moment. I feel like Nyx kinda gave up on Zach and will bring back the other friend from the past, since he was shown a lot in this episode (part of the backstory that felt really long. If he comeback, that backstory wouldn't just be for Iris and could make more sense).
Nyx is one of those writers who just make the story up as they go... She is getting heavily influenced by her patreons and her discord.

She is winging it. Your example is just one of those blunders. It's frustrating to witness because even if she recognises the mistake made, her shit rendering setup doesn't allow a quick correction without significantly increasing developement time.

Another example: Under specific circumstances and without realizing it she transformed Alexis into a hypocryte...
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Welcome to Erynns world I guess... For me personally this character was unlikeable from the start but for others this could lead to frustration and I highly doubt that this was intentional.

At some point things like this, and the fucking IDIOT of a MC, could put me off completely.
 
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Honestly it's the worst story for many reasons.

Alexis is introduced as this girl who is into 1 night stands and bootycalls the MC. Nothing wrong with that, that's a fun girl.
But later we learn she's best friends with Erynn and knew who the mc was all along, which begged the question:
"If you knew all along he was your BFFs crush why did you fuck him? And kept fucking him later?"
"I fucked him because he's hot" would obviously make for a despicable friend, so this got retconned into somehow she feels deeply connected to this kid she barely knew but stole her first kiss for a few seconds, five years ago.

The retcon flips her from girl who likes to have some fun to hopelessly in love way too fast(totally overshooting past me who was just having some fun with this girl and now she's uber attached).
And this backstory is something i can't relate to, she's a horrible backstabbing friend and more than a little manipulative.
And funny enough is sanctimonious as shit if she catches you lying to her, Jesus the high horse on this girl.

The Alexis vs Layla (and vs Erynn) drama being written out so quickly killed the character for good to me.
This was the kind of drama that i was enjoying(not girls getting assaulted or worst), how would they react when they found out? It's all solved quickly and without fireworks, Layla takes it in the chin like a champ, which feels very wrong to me(Alexis at least cries).
And if you kept the lie they find out off screen, she just pops in to tell you off, not unrealistic, but not the most entertaining way to handle this.

With Erynn much the same, there is a "getting caught" route, so some fireworks, but even if you witheld info in the previous episode(and got the almost sex with Erynn scene)the MC automatically tells Erynn he's with Alexis after the training camp, you can't even stick to lying, it's handled for you automatically, that's disappointing.
And of course Erynn now has much bigger problems to worry about than catfighting Alexis.
100% agree to all of this! There is no way Nyx will be able to fix all of these inconsistencies... So the story will be a mess to the end...
 
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