VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.14.1] [Nyx]

[doovel]

I'm willing to bet that it was his parents who made him do it and Santi regrets having let himself be persuaded. In short, he will get away with it easily.

You're probably right, but I hope people here understand that even if that was the case. Santi still chose to do nothing for 18 years.

That's not a singular mistake that's 18 years of inaction. No matter how handsome, charming and successful he is. He shouldn't come off looking good in any way, shape or form.

But likely Nyx will frame this as "it's all the fault of Andres". So both Santi and Emily don't look like the actual shitty parents they are/were. (Emily obviously to a far lesser degree than Santi)

 

[Salgijash]

I wonder if there will be possibility to have love triangle MC - Alexis - Erynn.

Spoiler: threesome dialogue

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[cxx]

Yet she knew right after

she saw bloodied sheets so easy to figure.

 

[motseer]

I'm willing to bet that it was his parents who made him do it and Santi regrets having let himself be persuaded. In short, he will get away with it easily.

Even if that's true, Santiago was a child in a man's body who allowed himself to be controlled and made the wrong choice. He then proceeded to ignore his responsibilities for 18 years. He's a cunt.

 

[byaaahh]

Are you two for real? The guy that's willing to help her raise her kid, doesn't get to set conditions?

"I'm willing to help you raise your kid, but I will only do so if I can raise him as my own"
"I'm willing to shelter and raise that same kid for 5 years on my own, even after we've broken up"

That guy?

The "I can't get you to actually fall in love with me, but I'm willing to basically do anything for you" guy retroactively gets turned into an asshole and a womaniser. Everything up to that point is Andres being a stand up guy, albeit clumsy in matters of romance at least when it comes to Emily.

Who after 12/13(?) years says he can't do it anymore, especially not with her seeing her baby daddy ex behind his back.

Even if what Emily says is true "I only met up with him to chat about the kid we had together, the kid he wanted nothing to do with. Not to bang him, okay?" that's still reasonable from Andres' side. I don't want you meeting up with the baby daddy who didn't want to raise the kid, she does anyway repeatedly, Andres conclusion "She's cheating on me", is true even if it is only in an emotional sense.

Compare that to the two others:
- Santi walks out on the relationship and the baby, providing literally no support in any way shape or form.
- Santi's parents show up to buy off Emily or tell her to get an abortion
- Emily is willing to start dating someone she has no romantic interest in just so he will help her out.
- Emily starts seeing her ex behind his back to "just talk about the child they have together" the bio dad has shown no interest in
- Emily who juggled two men and hooked up with Mel at the same time.
- Emily sends off her bio kid to her ex because she can't handle him herself. The ex who is not the bio dad and has broken up with her for the previous point.
- Emily is no contact with MC for those 5 years, save for 1 time she tried to see him. (revealed later)
- Emily who at the first opportunity throws "he's not your dad" in MCs face, after being 'caught' with Mel. (someone who raised a kid for 18 years, is far more of a dad than someone who walked out after he knocked someone up)
- Emily for who all reconciliation first comes from the MC. (it is the MC who initiates this every time, at least to my recollection. But this is a small point and I'm not sure about the accuracy)

Andres got swapped into someone else entirely with the cheating subplot. You don't go from raising someone else's kid, even without that person to "Oh yeah I'm just a womaniser who cheats on my new fiancee and punches the kid I raised as my own". I know Nyx frames it this way deliberately to make Emily look good, but from a neutral perspective based on the facts it really doesn't make a lick of sense.

I get that Andres is the less attractive and fun person out of the 3, but he is by far a better human being than Santi and Emily. At the very least far less selfish.

First, the only people we know who knows about Santi's parents offering money for an abortion are his parents and Emily. When he sees her on the beach after, she is mad at him and storms off with no explanation, to which he is clueless as to why.

How is Santi supposed to support his kid with Andres' ultimatum of Emily cutting him off? Especially after he has proven to be extremely jealous of Emily meeting Santi and updating him on their son.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

You're probably right, but I hope people here understand that even if that was the case. Santi still chose to do nothing for 18 years.

That's not a singular mistake that's 18 years of inaction. No matter how handsome, charming and successful he is. He shouldn't come off looking good in any way, shape or form.

But likely Nyx will frame this as "it's all the fault of Andres". So both Santi and Emily don't look like the actual shitty parents they are/were. (Emily obviously to a far lesser degree than Santi)

Even if that's true, Santiago was a child in a man's body who allowed himself to be controlled and made the wrong choice. He then proceeded to ignore his responsibilities for 18 years. He's a cunt.

Absolutely, even with this taste on the part of Nyx Santiago took a cowardly path by discharging his responsibilities

 

[cxx]

You mean she was watching during my second time with Layla?

possible.

 

[motseer]

Absolutely, even with this taste on the part of Nyx Santiago took a cowardly path by discharging his responsibilities

Heh, I'm also having a tough time understanding this debate about Andres. He and Santiago were rivals. When Santiago bails on Emily, Andres swoops in to pick up the pieces - just to get back at Santiago. The entire time he spent with her, pretending to be MC's dad and a loving husband was a lie. It's compounded by his demand that MC never know he isn't his real father. He's a bigger cunt than his buddy Santiago. Heh Don't even get me started on Emily. She made soooooooo many bad decisions. Santiago, Andres, agreeing to Andres lie, abandoning her son because of his bad behavior caused by her drinking problem and neglect... I have a hard time deciding who is the dumber "dumb blonde", Emily or Erynn. MC is surrounded by people who give meaning to the phrase, "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."

 

[Dr.TSoni]

Heh, I'm also having a tough time understanding this debate about Andres. He and Santiago were rivals. When Santiago bails on Emily, Andres swoops in to pick up the pieces - just to get back at Santiago. The entire time he spent with her, pretending to be MC's dad and a loving husband was a lie. It's compounded by his demand that MC never know he isn't his real father. He's a bigger cunt than his buddy Santiago. Heh Don't even get me started on Emily. She made soooooooo many bad decisions. Santiago, Andres, agreeing to Andres lie, abandoning her son because of his bad behavior caused by her drinking problem and neglect... I have a hard time deciding who is the dumber "dumb blonde", Emily or Erynn. MC is surrounded by people who give meaning to the phrase, "Never underestimate the power of human stupidity."

It's probably due to the fact that the only intelligent people in town are Enzo and Adriana, not for nothing that they mind their own business without getting involved.

 

[byaaahh]

People acting like Andres is a Saint because he raised MC, ignoring the fact when he found out she was pregnant he berated her for having the audacity to get with Santi and calling her a slut. Andres reeks of a guy who couldn't win the girl, so leveraged raising her son as long as she cut the biological father out the picture. She was just dumb enough to go for it.

What we learn from Enzo is the latest update is that Santi would probably want to meet his kid, I'm not so sure he wouldn't have been around to raise MC had Emily not agreed to the ultimatum. He took a few days after Emily told him she was pregnant, likely sought advice from his parents, who then offered money for the abortion without his knowledge. If he knew about that, I don't understand why he would be so perplexed when he meets her at the beach and she storms off.

 

[jllkfsdj]

Jesus, I go away for a while and when I come back everyone's regressed to kindergarten level and are having sandpit fights with pushing each other's heads into the sand. Dafuq?

 

[doovel]

First, the only people we know who knows about Santi's parents offering money for an abortion are his parents and Emily. When he sees her on the beach after, she is mad at him and storms off with no explanation, to which he is clueless as to why.

How is Santi supposed to support his kid with Andres' ultimatum of Emily cutting him off? Especially after he has proven to be extremely jealous of Emily meeting Santi and updating him on their son.

*Knock knock knock* FBI OPEN UP!

Or in this case "I'm the biological father of that child, I will not be denied my parental rights". He was already quite well off and this would be easy to fight in court if even needed. Had he shown up at Emily's door within a year I'm 90% sure she would've taken him back.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

People acting like Andres is a Saint because he raised MC, ignoring the fact when he found out she was pregnant he berated her for having the audacity to get with Santi and calling her a slut. Andres reeks of a guy who couldn't win the girl, so leveraged raising her son as long as she cut the biological father out the picture. She was just dumb enough to go for it.

What we learn from Enzo is the latest update is that Santi would probably want to meet his kid, I'm not so sure he wouldn't have been around to raise MC had Emily not agreed to the ultimatum. He took a few days after Emily told him she was pregnant, likely sought advice from his parents, who then offered money for the abortion without his knowledge. If he knew about that, I don't understand why he would be so perplexed when he meets her at the beach and she storms off.

You're partially right, but these are pieces put by Nyx, like changing the MC age, because initially people defended Andres while she prefers and wants the public to appreciate Emily more

 

[misfolk]

Andres got swapped into someone else entirely with the cheating subplot. You don't go from raising someone else's kid, even without that person to "Oh yeah I'm just a womaniser who cheats on my new fiancee and punches the kid I raised as my own". I know Nyx frames it this way deliberately to make Emily look good, but from a neutral perspective based on the facts it really doesn't make a lick of sense.

One way to look at his behavior is to consider him someone who's very bad at the game. He's not a womanizer, he was so desperate to secure a wife he agreed to raise Emily's child as his own. After thirteen years of fidelity he learns Emily has kept in touch with his original nemesis, Santiago the Chad, and he freaks out. He's not exactly wrong, Emily is the kind of woman that would invite a man upstairs after a single date, don't let her conservative hairstyle fool you.

After the divorce Andres is not aware of how much social capital he has, so he thinks Haley is the only option, not just an option. When he realizes he can attract the attention of multiple women, he loses his composure and royally fucks up.

 

[cxx]

Jesus, I go away for a while and when I come back everyone's regressed to kindergarten level and are having sandpit fights with pushing each other's heads into the sand. Dafuq?

just don't look lrh thred.

 

[byaaahh]

*Knock knock knock* FBI OPEN UP!

Or in this case "I'm the biological father of that child, I will not be denied my parental rights". He was already quite well off and this would be easy to fight in court if even needed. Had he shown up at Emily's door within a year I'm 90% sure she would've taken him back.

Would she? If she believes he pushed the abortion issue, why would she take him back?

As for his rights as a parent, maybe he wanted to respect Emily's wishes of him staying away and not disrupting the life she opted for. Why cause turmoil when she chose to accept Andres' ultimatum? It would likely end with Andres dropping her, and pushing her further away with no chance of reconciliation. Is Santi even on the birth certificate? Likely not, so there's another obstacle in the court battle.

 

[doovel]

People acting like Andres is a Saint because he raised MC, ignoring the fact when he found out she was pregnant he berated her for having the audacity to get with Santi and calling her a slut. Andres reeks of a guy who couldn't win the girl, so leveraged raising her son as long as she cut the biological father out the picture. She was just dumb enough to go for it.

It's not unreasonable to call someone a slut when you think you've been exclusive with her and she's been sleeping around (Santi and Mel) and got herself pregnant. It's certainly not nice, but perfectly understandable from an emotional state. "Holy fuck the girl I've been seeing has been sleeping around and got herself pregnant".

Let's also not pretend this is anywhere near the same thing as raising a kid for years. It's rather absurd to suggest a singular 'slut' undoes raising a kid. Or even diminishes it in the slightest.

Yes he was also an idiot who thought he could give her these conditions and that she would love him, but it's still far worse of a thing to do to him than anything he does. "I want to be with you and help you raise your child under the condition that we raise the kid as if it's mine" versus "I will pretend to want to be with you so you will help me raise my child, whilst I won't actually love you and never will or even genuinely try"

What we learn from Enzo is the latest update is that Santi would probably want to meet his kid, I'm not so sure he wouldn't have been around to raise MC had Emily not agreed to the ultimatum. He took a few days after Emily told him she was pregnant, likely sought advice from his parents, who then offered money for the abortion without his knowledge. If he knew about that, I don't understand why he would be so perplexed when he meets her at the beach and she storms off.

Meeting your fully grown child is not comparable to raising your child.

But even if we entertain the notion he would've wanted to raise the child, he's literally only tried to meet up with Emily once and after she stormed off he didn't do anything?

They never talked about this? Even when Emily was seeing Santi behind Andres' back? It never came up in any of their conversations?

S "Hey Emi, why did you refuse to see me for so long?"
E "Oh, I just didn't want to see you."
S "Okay, I get that but what about now? I'd like to be part of our sons life."
E "I'm sorry I can't, I promised Andres."
S "Okay, perfectly reasonable we will never speak about this again"
E "Thank you, now let's keep seeing each other anyway so we can discuss our son without you being part of his life"

Not a reasonable scenario.

 

[doovel]

One way to look at his behavior is to consider him someone who's very bad at the game. He's not a womanizer, he was so desperate to secure a wife he agreed to raise Emily's child as his own. After thirteen years of fidelity he learns Emily has kept in touch with his original nemesis, Santiago the Chad, and he freaks out. He's not exactly wrong, Emily is the kind of woman that would invite a man upstairs after a single date, don't let her conservative hairstyle fool you.

After the divorce Andres is not aware of how much social capital he has, so he thinks Haley is the only option, not just an option. When he realizes he can attract the attention of multiple women, he loses his composure and royally fucks up.

Yes, in which case Emily is still a shitty wife/girlfriend and Andres is perfectly reasonable in breaking up with her. But the still raising the MC as his own, on his own. Doesn't match with that scenario.

It's also really strange that Haley would accept not seeing the son of her future husband before agreeing to marry him. That doesn't really line up. He gets introduced to her and her kids literally weeks before they're supposed to tie the knot? Don't buy it.

Mr. Single dad is scoring left and right, despite having 0 rizz? Don't buy that either.

A lot of his shitty behaviour is just retcons, he wasn't written as a scumbag. But after realising people rightfully sided with him, she tried making him one.

Would she? If she believes he pushed the abortion issue, why would she take him back?

As for his rights as a parent, maybe he wanted to respect Emily's wishes of him staying away and not disrupting the life she opted for. Why cause turmoil when she chose to accept Andres' ultimatum? It would likely end with Andres dropping her, and pushing her further away with no chance of reconciliation. Is Santi even on the birth certificate? Likely not, so there's another obstacle in the court battle.

Why would she get back in contact and see him behind Andres' back if she believed that? Why would she never bring that up?

If he was serious about his son he wouldn't have accepted being completely cut out off his life. If Santi isn't on the birth certificate and Andres is, then he would by all rights be Andres's kid.

And if Emily did that, she'd be even worse of a person.

 

[byaaahh]

It's not unreasonable to call someone a slut when you think you've been exclusive with her and she's been sleeping around (Santi and Mel) and got herself pregnant. It's certainly not nice, but perfectly understandable from an emotional state. "Holy fuck the girl I've been seeing has been sleeping around and got herself pregnant".

Let's also not pretend this is anywhere near the same thing as raising a kid for years. It's rather absurd to suggest a singular 'slut' undoes raising a kid. Or even diminishes it in the slightest.

Yes he was also an idiot who thought he could give her these conditions and that she would love him, but it's still far worse of a thing to do to him than anything he does. "I want to be with you and help you raise your child under the condition that we raise the kid as if it's mine" versus "I will pretend to want to be with you so you will help me raise my child, whilst I won't actually love you and never will or even genuinely try"

Emily got pregnant before she got with Andres, we only know of her sleeping with Santi prior to the fallout in the park. Only after this and Andres storming off, supposedly dumping her, does she get with Mel.

The thing is, I don't think Andres ever loved Emily. She even asks him this on the phone after he punches MC. She was a trophy for him. He snagged a hottie and had a son, life was good.

Meeting your fully grown child is not comparable to raising your child.

But even if we entertain the notion he would've wanted to raise the child, he's literally only tried to meet up with Emily once and after she stormed off he didn't do anything?

They never talked about this? Even when Emily was seeing Santi behind Andres' back? It never came up in any of their conversations?

S "Hey Emi, why did you refuse to see me for so long?"
E "Oh, I just didn't want to see you."
S "Okay, I get that but what about now? I'd like to be part of our sons life."
E "I'm sorry I can't, I promised Andres."
S "Okay, perfectly reasonable we will never speak about this again"
E "Thank you, now let's keep seeing each other anyway so we can discuss our son without you being part of his life"

Not a reasonable scenario.

How could he do anything? She tells MC she avoided him for years, until they bumped into each other and discussed how MC was doing, which resulted in Andres pitching a bitch-fit and saying she was cheating and the divorce/separation.

Why would she get back in contact and see him behind Andres' back if she believed that? Why would she never bring that up?

If he was serious about his son he wouldn't have accepted being completely cut out off his life. If Santi isn't on the birth certificate and Andres is, then he would by all rights be Andres's kid.

And if Emily did that, she'd be even worse of a person.

As stated, there was no contact for years until she unexpectantly ran into him.

Are you forgetting that Andres conditions were to raise MC as his own? I'd imagine that'd include being listed as the father. As I said, people are quick to defend Andres, but all he did was self-serving, not because he's such a Saint.

 

[Adhdclassic]

Merry Christmas to all