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MrD812

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Showing him the pictures from the Valeria date(and future dates) would be nice.
"You wanted, but i got it".
Let's not forget him all over Erynn in front of Val and the Jealousy in Erynn's closeness with the MC.
Think Nyx would keep it mild mannered or kick it up a notch or few, then a simple innocent photo?

Suffice to say, possibly several would rather have a Scorched Earth option.
 
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I want my MC to be a nice guy. A slut, maybe, but a nice guy. Nyx punishes me for it by making being nice a trigger for relationships without actual choices. I don't think that's a bad thing, if you are nice to everyone, and go with the flow, things happen. I hate that I'm going to hurt my friends/lovers/etc.
I agree. Nyx has little middle ground for the gentleman whore path. You eventually end up hurting people.

For your last point: anyone who likes Tori gets what they deserve, I guess? :ROFLMAO:
Hahaha. Discount Quinn? Although I am not into Quinn. And Quinn doesn't block other lady paths? Nyx seems to be doing a too slow burn redemption arc for Tori. And there may be not enough story left to do that.

May have take a ticket, stand in line with those desiring Nyx to create a Hardcore "Cuck Zach" option.
Showing him the pictures from the Valeria date(and future dates) would be nice.
"You wanted, but i got it".
Suffice to say, possibly several would rather have a Scorched Earth option.
I will now call him Zachuck.
 
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Let's not forget him all over Erynn in front of Val and the Jealousy in Erynn's closeness with the MC.
Think Nyx would keep it mild mannered or kick it up a notch or few, then a simple innocent photo?

Suffice to say, possibly several would rather have a Scorched Earth option.
I thought about that, i chose to mention Val because that's his latest target, but he "loves" several girls that could be used to target him.

Erynn, he has a bunch of her stuff in his phone, says out loud she's his ultimate dream(and has sent DMs to her).
He also carries a big torch for Gabi, Layla was his original target, even has made passes at Alexis...
And Elena who he normally expresses dislike... he wanted to get cozy with her when he was thinking they had sex.

Photos was just a PG shot that i thought about... personally i would love to get nasty and really destroy the motherfucker.

But then again future photos might be less PG, girls sleeping on the MCs bed covered only by a blanket maybe?
Brag to him about his entire "dream gallery", Erynn, Val, Gabi... everyone he dreams about.

It comes down to how nasty Nyx will allow us to get here?
 

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Unpopular take: Zach's turn was actually somewhat justified. You were supposed to be his bro, and you're closer to his crushes than he is. He is an idiot, and we know he is, and treat him like one. We only mildly try to correct him, and never really help him, even though he's supposedly a friend. We treat him as a sidekick instead of a bro.

That made him really easy for Ethan to manipulate. The encounter wasn't planned to go that way, Ethan didn't know you'd be there. Zach was trying to do something fun with you, but Ethan turned him, and Zach decked you.

I still think he's Val's best shot at escaping, and he can have a redemption path. Or not. Ethan is the sociopath piece of shit. Zach is just a dumb incel.
 

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Unpopular take: Zach's turn was actually somewhat justified. You were supposed to be his bro, and you're closer to his crushes than he is. He is an idiot, and we know he is, and treat him like one. We only mildly try to correct him, and never really help him, even though he's supposedly a friend. We treat him as a sidekick instead of a bro.

That made him really easy for Ethan to manipulate. The encounter wasn't planned to go that way, Ethan didn't know you'd be there. Zach was trying to do something fun with you, but Ethan turned him, and Zach decked you.

I still think he's Val's best shot at escaping, and he can have a redemption path. Or not. Ethan is the sociopath piece of shit. Zach is just a dumb incel.
You're right it will be unpopular.
Zach was a walking red flag even before the betrayal IMO.
Calling every girl "babe" because he can't be bothered to remember their names.
Acting like he owns or has claimed Val because he "saw her first" which I hate.
Going to spy on the girls in the shower/locker room at training camp.
Being an inappropriate cock block when the MC is making out with Layla.
Many other things that I likely forgot to mention.
How is this someone who even deserves the help and friendship of the MC? Not to mention the fact that his friendship points count for nothing, if you have made the effort to be a good friend. He betrays you regardless.
Val is not interested in him in the slightest and I don't blame her.
There is a possibility of redemption if he sees the light and helps take down Ethan, but even then it's a slim chance. Meh fuck him, the sooner that the MC's true bro Nathan comes to Madison Springs the better.
 

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You're right it will be unpopular.
Zach was a walking red flag even before the betrayal IMO.
Calling every girl "babe" because he can't be bothered to remember their names.
Acting like he owns or has claimed Val because he "saw her first" which I hate.
Going to spy on the girls in the shower/locker room at training camp.
Being an inappropriate cock block when the MC is making out with Layla.
Many other things that I likely forgot to mention.
How is this someone who even deserves the help and friendship of the MC? Not to mention the fact that his friendship points count for nothing, if you have made the effort to be a good friend. He betrays you regardless.
Val is not interested in him in the slightest and I don't blame her.
There is a possibility of redemption if he sees the light and helps take down Ethan, but even then it's a slim chance. Meh fuck him, the sooner that the MC's true bro Nathan comes to Madison Springs the better.
Yeah, I agree, he is an immature asshole. However, when we show up back in town, we were quick to latch on to him and call him a friend. He was always like this, apparently, and still, your best (and only) male friend, other than Nathan (who has his own problematic behavior, but is at least less immature). You continue to hang out with him and call him a friend despite his behavior. That's just as bad. Yes, he doesn't deserve much, but he deserves to at least either be a friend and treated as such, or left to his own devices. If you call somebody a friend, you need to treat them as a friend.
 
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I have a major problem in the game in that I feel that I have to treat all the girls (except Tori) nicely. I want my MC to be a nice guy. A slut, maybe, but a nice guy. Nyx punishes me for it by making being nice a trigger for relationships without actual choices. I don't think that's a bad thing, if you are nice to everyone, and go with the flow, things happen. I hate that I'm going to hurt my friends/lovers/etc.
I don't think it's that bad, the game does offer good friend routes, where you are nice and friendly and the girls like your company.
Once you cross the line into flirting and making out it becomes dodgy...
It's this thing, even if it's not a official relationship, no girl is gonna like that the dude who flirts with her also flirts with every other girl in town(and a couple outside of town).

Erynn can be a good friend if you don't veer towards romance, you hang out with her, help her with her Ethan problem, you are both nice and helpful to each other...
Layla can also be a nice friend if you don't go towards romance, still train together, hang out at school, joke around...
Same thing for Val, train together, friendly relationship at school.
With Nikki/Cara the sister that was left behind is also very friendly, and you can have a nice interaction at the airport if you are dating neither.

Even Alexis can be friendly and pleasant... you just have to make sure that you never touch her...
If you do bang her and cut the relationship later, she'll look uncomfortable(and slightly depressed) in your presence all game long.
That one decision in the plane will shape every future interaction.

You're right it will be unpopular.
Zach was a walking red flag even before the betrayal IMO.
Calling every girl "babe" because he can't be bothered to remember their names.
Acting like he owns or has claimed Val because he "saw her first" which I hate.
Going to spy on the girls in the shower/locker room at training camp.
Being an inappropriate cock block when the MC is making out with Layla.
Many other things that I likely forgot to mention.
How is this someone who even deserves the help and friendship of the MC? Not to mention the fact that his friendship points count for nothing, if you have made the effort to be a good friend. He betrays you regardless.
Val is not interested in him in the slightest and I don't blame her.
There is a possibility of redemption if he sees the light and helps take down Ethan, but even then it's a slim chance. Meh fuck him, the sooner that the MC's true bro Nathan comes to Madison Springs the better.
Absolutely, before the betrayal scene i had hope he'd turn out good... but this would include him changing his ways and becoming a nicer guy.
His "normal" behaviour was already pretty bad, even before the betrayal.

If anything he might be a "Ethan in training", he hasn't done anything this bad yet, but if he continues down this path... i can see him becoming a guy who resorts to Ethan style tactics to get what he wants.
 

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You're right it will be unpopular.
Zach was a walking red flag even before the betrayal IMO.
Calling every girl "babe" because he can't be bothered to remember their names.
Acting like he owns or has claimed Val because he "saw her first" which I hate.
Going to spy on the girls in the shower/locker room at training camp.
Being an inappropriate cock block when the MC is making out with Layla.
Many other things that I likely forgot to mention.
How is this someone who even deserves the help and friendship of the MC? Not to mention the fact that his friendship points count for nothing, if you have made the effort to be a good friend. He betrays you regardless.
Val is not interested in him in the slightest and I don't blame her.
There is a possibility of redemption if he sees the light and helps take down Ethan, but even then it's a slim chance. Meh fuck him, the sooner that the MC's true bro Nathan comes to Madison Springs the better.
he will never be a "friend" again (I never really even considered him one to start with he was just sorta inserted in the story) regardless of what happens.
 

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he will never be a "friend" again (I never really even considered him one to start with he was just sorta inserted in the story) regardless of what happens.
YOU didn't consider him a friend, but the MC did. He calls him one, treats him like one to his face, then talks shit about him behind his back. That's canon, we don't have a choice about it. It's still fucked up.
 

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YOU didn't consider him a friend, but the MC did. He calls him one, treats him like one to his face, then talks shit about him behind his back. That's canon, we don't have a choice about it. It's still fucked up.
He thought he was a friend, the same kid that he knew years before. He then learned what a creep he is/has become.
 

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YOU didn't consider him a friend, but the MC did. He calls him one, treats him like one to his face, then talks shit about him behind his back. That's canon, we don't have a choice about it. It's still fucked up.
as I said the game inserted him such way, not like we had a choice in the matter. I never liked his personality.
 
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Guys,"Preview pictures - Episode 14 - No way! (SPOILER WARNING!!!)"Anyone know what this is about? :rolleyes:
 

LSC82

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YOU didn't consider him a friend, but the MC did. He calls him one, treats him like one to his face, then talks shit about him behind his back. That's canon, we don't have a choice about it. It's still fucked up.
as I said the game inserted him such way, not like we had a choice in the matter. I never liked his personality.
Storywise he's a dude who used to be a friend but you haven't hung out(or talked in any way) in a long time.
I know from personal experience that reconnecting is a complex thing... sometimes it's fast, easy and natural... some other times however...
The MC gave him a chance and tried to reestablish the friendship... he kept fucking up.
And given his most recent actions, i don't think the MC owes him any "for old times sake" considerations anymore.



Nyxx put a completely ridiculous title then :ROFLMAO:
Par for the course...
 

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Storywise he's a dude who used to be a friend but you haven't hung out(or talked in any way) in a long time.
I know from personal experience that reconnecting is a complex thing... sometimes it's fast, easy and natural... some other times however...
The MC gave him a chance and tried to reestablish the friendship... he kept fucking up.
And given his most recent actions, i don't think the MC owes him any "for old times sake" considerations anymore.
Yeah, from what I recollect they were friends when he lived in town. After MC left, he cut off all contact with back home. In the years MC was gone, they both grew up separately and very different personalities. So them not gelling right away, or at all, when they reunite isn't entirely unexpected.

Zach was written well for his role as a heel. The first time through, you see the looks he gives the MC and I didn't perceive it as a festering anger growing... more that his ego couldn't handle flaming out so horrifically when he thought he was all "that" and the jealousy grew. I believe you can see the change in looks he gives the MC as his ego gets the better of him. However Zach met Ethan, that ego and jealousy is what Ethan exploited... probably very easily.
 
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