VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.14.1] [Nyx]

[shazba]

For all the people complaining when changes break saves. I'd like to enlighten y'all.

When you save in a Renpy game, it saves a pointer to the current statement that's executing (like loading a render, or putting a sentence on the screen).

If you add one single line to the code somewhere before the save, that pointer is misaligned, and when you load the save, it'll load one step backwards.

If you delete a whole lot of code before point where the save was done, when you reload it's gonna load much further down the code, and maybe there isn't even code there. Probably a good time for the game to crash.

But wait, there's more.

What if a new variable was added to the game, but it was added in a section before your save and then gets referenced after your save? Renpy doesn't like that. Crash!

Going back and changing existing code has an inherent potential to break saves. So does that mean a developer, who is in the middle of creating their game should never go back and fix things? No. That would be silly to expect a game to be perfect on the first pass.

There are ways to minimise the potential for these save breaking changes, but it requires experience and foresight. A lot of developers are cutting their teeth on these projects, learning along the way.

Now, you wouldn't play the game if you weren't enjoying it, and you wouldn't complain if you weren't playing the game. So at least the developer is creating a game you're enjoying.

So yeah, it's a pain in the ass to have to start again, but whatever.

Me? I already deleted this game, I think it's shit.

 

[J.R.]

Well, now Nyx implements drama not only to the story, but also to the RenPy code either....

For those saying "braking saves can happen for a game in progress": yes, it can. Especially in the first game of a developer. But it's imo a dick move doing that after more then two years of game developement. And also especially in a game where every damn choice is maybe braking your wanted playthrough with a li. We already had that (new game start after a major code change) in this game before in - I think - 0.6. Actually don't want to do that again (and again) for something I've actually played a long time ago (twice). And now I would even have to make other choices because some vars have changed and therefore the outcome changed now, too.

Well, the game is not bad, I still liked to play it. But I'm not that hardcore fan to start over again multiple times. Better for me now to stop and wait when it's (maybe) finished at some time.

 

[NebulousShooter]

The fact that any reputable mod guy absolutely refuses to touch this game, no matter how many requests it gets should be proof enough her code is a mess and make people stop blindly white knighting, but apparently not. Remember the infamous jacuzzi scene that 99% of the people haven't ever seen? Now there are several scenes like that requiring people to have 100+ pages of saves at every single point, since 10 episodes later you might have to go back because your run is fucked...

I usually recommend people stay clear of walkthroughs and mods, especially if its 1st playthrough, well here I don't recommend playing the VN at all without one since only frustration awaits you. From the poorly emphasized choices, to tight point system that 8 episodes later will lock you completely from experiencing entire chain of events, to way too many opportunities to permanently break a relationship from the most innocuous mistakes such as 'not answering the phone' , but none so far to get you back in, to myriad of bugs, the game is full of questionable game design decisions that should have been left in the 2018 era of VNs.

Since I don't like ending on a sour note, may Elena do a split on your faces!

 

[Deleted member 207916]

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What's next? There are quite a few things to talk about. I hope I won't forget anything.
First something personal. I'll move to a different country in December (New job). Meaning with the move, the new job and the Holidays, I'll be busy and won't have that much time to focus on the next episode in December. I'll prepare part of the script, but the renders will be worked on after the Holidays. More info about Episode 11 below. This will also give me some time off the game because those lengthy episodes drain me.
So, what am I doing now? I spoiled it on Discord already last week (Work in Progress):

I'm finally working on the Replay Gallery! I'm still learning the how-to's and the what-not's, but I'm getting there.
Now a question for you. What scenes do you want in the gallery? Obviously, the sex scenes and nude scenes, but are there other scenes you want in there? Let me know in the comments or on

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Since I'm messing with the code anyway, I'm going to do a code overhaul for all episodes:
- Fix some stuff that will make it easier for me to code in the future.
- Adding new statements which I already needed but had to work around and that caused a lot of bugs.
- Re-evaluate certain points thresholds. For example, I don't like that you have to choose between Layla and Erynn very early on, without actually getting to know them. That will give you more scenes in the long run.
- Changing scenes and labels to make them easier to use in the gallery.
This will break ALL saves and you'll need to start a new game! I know, I know...
But to compensate a little bit, I won't wait to release the gallery and code changes until Episode 11 is finished. Once the changes are done, I'll release it, maybe even in December, at the least in January. That way, you'll have the time to create new saves before the next episode releases.

Also included in that update: Episode 1 will be re-rendered with better quality and some changes. (Spoiler pictures in weekly previews)
- Emily will have a new car
- Emily will have a new house (Bedroom/Kitchen/Living room,...
- Slight MC room changes (more to come in the future)
- Melissa will have a new house/backyard/pool
- scenes will have more detail, more people/cars on the streets
- The Monroes will get a huge house upgrade (Work in Progress. Don't need it for episode 1, but the changes will be seen in episode 11!)
- I want to change the look of the school, make it more modern looking from the outside but haven't found a good asset yet. If you know of a good asset of a building that can be used as a school, let me know.
Other episodes will be upgraded in between, whenever I have time to spare, but continuing the story and working on episode 11 has priority.
Episode 11 will be a shorter episode (At least I hope). It will include 2 days for now (Tuesday and Wednesday). Some scenes have been spoiled already in episode 10. For example, the Erynn photoshoot and the Layla hot tub party. Those 2 characters will probably have the focus in episode 11.
Zach is still on his family vacation. So, punching his face has to wait a little longer.
I'm not sure if all characters will get scenes. Maybe a cameo in another scene or a short phone call, but surely not every character will have a lengthy scene.
I think that's it? If not, you'll hear it next week.

Actually i'm cool with all the changes Nyx mentiones. I don't have anything against reworks, if it will help her to speed up future development of this game and for me personaly it's not a big deal for replaying the game. Gallery is much welcomed so i don't nead to save all those hot scenes. Only downside is that i won't be able to punch Zach. Idk if you (Nyx) read it but best of luck.

 

[Nurikabe]

The fact that any reputable mod guy absolutely refuses to touch this game, no matter how many requests it gets should be proof enough her code is a mess and make people stop blindly white knighting, but apparently not. Remember the infamous jacuzzi scene that 99% of the people haven't ever seen? Now there are several scenes like that requiring people to have 100+ pages of saves at every single point, since 10 episodes later you might have to go back because your run is fucked...

I usually recommend people stay clear of walkthroughs and mods, especially if its 1st playthrough, well here I don't recommend playing the VN at all without one since only frustration awaits you. From the poorly emphasized choices, to tight point system that 8 episodes later will lock you completely from experiencing entire chain of events, to way too many opportunities to permanently break a relationship from the most innocuous mistakes such as 'not answering the phone' , but none so far to get you back in, to myriad of bugs, the game is full of questionable game design decisions that should have been left in the 2018 era of VNs.

Since I don't like ending on a sour note, may Elena do a split on your faces!

KoGa3 is quite a reputable modder and provides the mod for this game...

 

[Deleted member 207916]

The fact that any reputable mod guy absolutely refuses to touch this game, no matter how many requests it gets should be proof enough her code is a mess and make people stop blindly white knighting, but apparently not. Remember the infamous jacuzzi scene that 99% of the people haven't ever seen? Now there are several scenes like that requiring people to have 100+ pages of saves at every single point, since 10 episodes later you might have to go back because your run is fucked...

I usually recommend people stay clear of walkthroughs and mods, especially if its 1st playthrough, well here I don't recommend playing the VN at all without one since only frustration awaits you. From the poorly emphasized choices, to tight point system that 8 episodes later will lock you completely from experiencing entire chain of events, to way too many opportunities to permanently break a relationship from the most innocuous mistakes such as 'not answering the phone' , but none so far to get you back in, to myriad of bugs, the game is full of questionable game design decisions that should have been left in the 2018 era of VNs.

Since I don't like ending on a sour note, may Elena do a split on your faces!

If it's all bad why do you play this game at all, just move on? If the game is a broken mess why bother? You complain here that you can't play this game without WT since certain scenes will be locked out. That's why most of the players suggest go for a single girl per play so you can get those scenes and avoid trouble of getting caught cheating. Jacuzzi scene i got with no trouble since i was strictly on Layla's route without the nead of a WT. You say that choices are poorly emphisized? I couldn't disagree more. Choices are clear as they can get. If you choose to ignore "Phone call" or "Stare at mom boobs" you can presume what consequences it will produce. And speaking of modders avoiding this game well MrBuBu and i personaly created WT for this game, written of course, so it doesn't mess up saves, game or what ever. If you know better why not create WT, mod or what ever you want yourself? Create the whole new game yourself since you're smarter than the rest of us here, without the bugs and other issues. I have every confdence in your abilities that you'll do far better job than some drama queen.

 

[Raziel_8]

The fact that any reputable mod guy absolutely refuses to touch this game, no matter how many requests it gets should be proof enough her code is a mess and make people stop blindly white knighting, but apparently not. Remember the infamous jacuzzi scene that 99% of the people haven't ever seen? Now there are several scenes like that requiring people to have 100+ pages of saves at every single point, since 10 episodes later you might have to go back because your run is fucked...

I usually recommend people stay clear of walkthroughs and mods, especially if its 1st playthrough, well here I don't recommend playing the VN at all without one since only frustration awaits you. From the poorly emphasized choices, to tight point system that 8 episodes later will lock you completely from experiencing entire chain of events, to way too many opportunities to permanently break a relationship from the most innocuous mistakes such as 'not answering the phone' , but none so far to get you back in, to myriad of bugs, the game is full of questionable game design decisions that should have been left in the 2018 era of VNs.

Since I don't like ending on a sour note, may Elena do a split on your faces!

Yeah there are quite a few ways to lose paths.
I remember a Layla path, at the training camp and didn't push her down, which apparently ends her path. I mean, it doesn't make much sense and you don't even get any dialogue which would indicate that you are no longer on her route, took me quite a while to figure out where i choose the wrong choice....well after i noticed i'm not on her route anymore, which also took some time.

 

[NewTricks]

Then I obviously wasn't referring to you then, was I?

"Oh, I don't do the things she mentioned but i'll reply like it was aimed at me"

I would apologise that my post aimed at completely different people hurt your feelings for .... reasons but i'm still trying to wrap my head around why. Why my post aimed at the handful of people that complain about broken saves was taken as a man hating lesbian rant, that's the weirdest shit i've read.

Nevermind telling me to take a pill, I think you best stop taking them.

We all love you here. You were just spitting some facts and there was some splash damage as usual. If you weren't your normally caustic and abrasive self we would get worried and assume that your account got hacked.

 

[Mr. Muscles]

I remain firmly in the camp that says rework can wait until the game is done, because who knows what other tech advantage they'll have by the time it's done? Save all the remaster work for a post-completed sale.

I share the same sentiment. For example, I would enjoy if the DPC went to rework the first episodes of BaDIK after he finishes the game in 2040, but it's not something that is needed too.

It's not being reworked, a few scenes are being altered and more added to early game to make sense of things later on.

It's not just that though, code changes and when code changes saves break. It happens. It happens to the big AAA companies and solo devs, it's just a thing that you deal with during development.

The amount of people that whine when they have to restart a game because saves are broken is beyond pathetic. If they want fully functional games and don't want to restart then they shouldn't be playing games still being developed and wait until they are finished.

Or, and I know this is asking a lot but i'm a hopeful girl, they should act like the adults they pretend to be and stop fucking whining.

When the women of the site complain less than the men you know shits gone wrong.

Worse yet is that some of those that whine about having to restart a game like it's the hardship of a lifetime are in other threads talking about how "alpha" they are and how they "fuck bitches" ..... assuming those bitches are their hands, anime bodypillows and fleshlights then sure, they pound those ho's.

It's certainly being reworked in some capacity, and it sets the precedent for more, either way, it doesn't matter. The game will change and saves will be bricked. People are allowed to share their frustration towards this and it's not like there hasn't been games that stagnated due to things like this, so it's understandable the reaction of many in here.

Aside from that, I believe there might be something wrong with you. It looks like you have lost your cool over nothing, really. This a forum, if you don't want people to share their thoughts, then you are in the wrong place. Seriously, take a chill pill. It's not that deep.

 

[Avaron1974]

Aside from that, I believe there might be something wrong with you. It looks like you have lost your cool over nothing, really. This a forum, if you don't want people to share their thoughts, then you are in the wrong place. Seriously, take a chill pill. It's not that deep.

It's a constant.

This things over broken saves happens constantly and if i've said it once i've said it ... a lot more times, if something breaking and forcing a restart is going to anger people enough to rage quit a game then they should not be playing games still in development.

They aren't "episodic", they aren't feature complete and things are subject to change.

It's more like early access than anything. People get to play a game as it develops but things can and likely will change causing broken saves.

Imagine for a second, watching a family playing Monopoly and one of the kids lands on a siblings hotel and has to pay their last bit of money. Rather than pay they flip the board and shout "i'm not playing no more"...... That's pretty much what I see when I see people yelling about rage quitting over broken saves.

Sure, people are absolutely entitled to their opinion.

And i'm entitled to think their opinion is dumb as fuck.

 

[SamualHand]

Can't we have some nice Zach discussions? Like he should get the girls and the MC has to watch?

 

[AchedCroissant]

I don't know how difficult it is to accept that she screwed up

 

[FunFuntomes]

I don't know how difficult it is to accept that she screwed up

Nyx will never admit it

 

[Avaron1974]

Your comparison is stupid. Moreover, you're clearly the one bitter the most here. I'm yet to see someone getting this worked up over this matter aside from you. Mf really woke up today and went "I'm going to lose my shit for Nyx now."

You keep replaying and dodging the point like it's trying to collect a debt.....

Nothing to do with Nyx and this isn't the only thread i've brought this topic up.

I also think we've well established the broken save complaining irks me. Well done for pointing it out in 2 replies Captain Obvious.

If you're just going to keep repeating what we all already fucking know, this is going to be a really long day.

I don't know how difficult it is to accept that she screwed up

Mainly because not all of us agree on that point.

Some of us know these games are still being developed and things can and will change and saves can and will break.

Some of you have a hard time grasping the obvious.

 

[LionHeart 95]

It's a constant.

This things over broken saves happens constantly and if i've said it once i've said it ... a lot more times, if something breaking and forcing a restart is going to anger people enough to rage quit a game then they should not be playing games still in development.

They aren't "episodic", they aren't feature complete and things are subject to change.

It's more like early access than anything. People get to play a game as it develops but things can and likely will change causing broken saves.

Imagine for a second, watching a family playing Monopoly and one of the kids lands on a siblings hotel and has to pay their last bit of money. Rather than pay they flip the board and shout "i'm not playing no more"...... That's pretty much what I see when I see people yelling about rage quitting over broken saves.

Sure, people are absolutely entitled to their opinion.

And i'm entitled to think their opinion is dumb as fuck.

Why even care of broken saves. use start new game on auto forward zero out time between renders until you get to your part you left off at.
or use skip and it will stop at any place that is not of the prescient memory so you can see what changed. or the text that was altered to correct the path choice that you made.
whole game takes no time to play this way and you don't truly miss anything.

 

[FunFuntomes]

or use skip and it will stop at any place that is not of the prescient memory so you can see what changed. or the text that was altered to correct the path choice that you made.
whole game takes no time to play this way and you don't truly miss anything.

if the script was changed, skipping might not work

 

[AchedCroissant]

I don't have a problem with a save being broken, the problem is that if you like a girl and for some reason you made a mistake in a decision, you can close that girl's branch thanks to the beautiful code that this game has... And remember each decision to make in these almost 3 years is impossible...

 

[AchedCroissant]

Unfortunately with the Patreons and Discord users we have no hope they will accept what the queen says

 

[FunFuntomes]

Mainly because not all of us agree on that point.

Some of us know these games are still being developed and things can and will change and saves can and will break.

Some of you have a hard time grasping the obvious.

it's one thing to release and update sayig "sorry I changed the script and you'll have to restart" like Nine did in Mythos versus coming out of the gate DURING development timeand forcingplayers to restart

 

[dolfe67]

if the script was changed, skipping might not work

It works if you check "Skip > Unseen Text" in the preferences