VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.14.1] [Nyx]

[Dragon59]

The other problem with AVN genre is that I would guess is not lucrative for even the top 10% creators. It's only lucrative for maybe 0.01% or so of them maybe.

Devs spend their free time making a game, and upon release, not enough people patron the lowest tier even on release month.

This leads to good games or potentially good games being abandoned. The AVN genre environment is not conducive enough for consistent start-to-end development.

I'm hoping that the fact that I'm retired and moderately disabled will help me continue through lean times.

 

[MaliPizdek]

13.1GB wow

 

[SwedishDi]

 

[dolfe67]

That's right. But how do you know which devs belongs to the second group? Sure, some devs made it obvious and lied much, so that's easy to tell. But as long as Nyx is transparent about what she's doing and working on her game I refuse to put her in the milker drawer. It's just not fair to demand devs should put aside their jobs and lives. There's only a hand full devs who could make a living with their AVN and this one here isn't one of them.

How do I know which devs belongs to the second group? With their communication. I'm fine with Intertwined's pace of development, dev said it was not her full time job. Of course faster would be better but that's ok.

 

[LSC82]

How do I know which devs belongs to the second group? With their communication. I'm fine with Intertwined's pace of development, dev said it was not her full time job. Of course faster would be better but that's ok.

I wouldn't put her in the second group just yet, but i suspect she has a bit of a burnout.
This project used to get updates every 2 months, she improved her hardware and yet the pace slowed waaay down.
She just did a "reboot" and you read her development blog and she's already leaving stuff she ain't happy behind to change at a later date... that's bad planning.

It's not only that, the game became repetitive and very slow pacing wise... i'm waiting for this but i already have very little expectations of getting what "i" want.

Unfortunately this is starting to resemble those TV series that i once loved but now follow just out of stubbornness.

 

[Just Jericho]

Couldn't it be an argument for better awareness of time constraints? She's compromising quality to appease patreons who are unhappy with the schedule of updates?

Furthermore, as time passes and she has to deal with the consequences of every prior decision a player has made, I imagine it will become increasingly difficult to make episodes seem long rather than broad with several separate playthroughs. This game's ensemble of characters is varied, with no one point of contact between all LI. Elena and Erynn, for example, have no strong motive to interact. Making it even more challenging for her to produce a fast-paced plot is the fact that each LI must be given time in each episode, but it must be done under unique and specific circumstances. I believe the plot requires more instances in which everyone comes to the MC rather than the MC going to 1 on 1 EG: the track and field story which condensed Layla, Tori, Elena and Gabi all in 1 location.

I understand your point of view, but I believe you are oversimplifying/minimalising the events that have occurred. Ignoring the expanded scope/difficulties and merely acknowledging the increased time of each episode.

From what I've read, Nyx clearly has a strong drive to create and expand her narrative, and she appears to be a authentic developer.
But then again I'm an idiot who pirates AVN online and likes watching other people bang my girl

Kind of agree with LSC on this one judging by some things Nyx has said in prior progress updates. She's said stuff like "still debating which LIs will get content and who won't", then she's mentioned times where she's worked on a scene, didn't like it, redid the scene, still didn't like it, then ended up dropping the scene entirely.

So I get the impression she does a lot of "writing on the fly" with a smattering of ideas instead of relying on outlines, and she's run into hiccups related to that. Seems to me with a story with so many cross-relationships and paths, some outlining would make the whole thing easier to tackle without so many rewrites and scrapped scenes.

But the dev's style is the dev's style. If that's what works for her, then who am I to judge.

 

[NebulousShooter]

On the technical aspect, we just had an update that fucked saves up, next update will be more code rework so probably will need to start again and she is leaving stuff up to update at a later time so new playthrough will be required again when that will happen. I am pretty sure there were other times in the past, before I started playing, where a restart was required because of patching changes she didn't plan.
Just wait and see how many people will give up just for this very reason, no matter how good a game is, it's not worth the hassle after a while, let alone one like this that has lost so much steam to the point of plot barely moving.

On the story aspect, there were major change all through the development of this game, so much so, that now we have 3 'side' characters, one was supposed to be a background character and one was supposed to die, having the most screen time and more scenes than the main girls the game was designed to be centered around, Layla and Erynn.

To defend Nyx on having a clear plan with the game is so delusional, is laughable.

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Edit: Forgot she almost lost her files because she didn't think to back up her game duffs, like lol.

 

[LSC82]

Couldn't it be an argument for better awareness of time constraints? She's compromising quality to appease patreons who are unhappy with the schedule of updates?

Furthermore, as time passes and she has to deal with the consequences of every prior decision a player has made, I imagine it will become increasingly difficult to make episodes seem long rather than broad with several separate playthroughs. This game's ensemble of characters is varied, with no one point of contact between all LI. Elena and Erynn, for example, have no strong motive to interact. Making it even more challenging for her to produce a fast-paced plot is the fact that each LI must be given time in each episode, but it must be done under unique and specific circumstances. I believe the plot requires more instances in which everyone comes to the MC rather than the MC going to 1 on 1 EG: the track and field story which condensed Layla, Tori, Elena and Gabi all in 1 location.

Being A DIK provides a solution to this difficulty by employing the party planning minigame to unify all LIs into a single area, allowing the narrative to advance with little individual pathing and circumstances per LI.

Nyx I believe has acknowledged this issue, particularly with Cara and Nikki, who Nyx appears to find it difficult to justify maintaining their contact without impeding the growth of other LIs.


I understand your point of view, but I believe you are oversimplifying/minimalising the events that have occurred. Ignoring the expanded scope/difficulties and merely acknowledging the increased time of each episode.

From what I've read, Nyx clearly has a strong drive to create and expand her narrative, and she appears to be a authentic developer.
But then again I'm an idiot who pirates AVN online and likes watching other people bang my girl
#CLM
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It's already been more than 6 months since we got new content, i would rather wait and see something polished than Nyx planning her next reboot, right after we had one...
This is the worst of both worlds, the release schedule is slow and despite this the scenes still haven't been well planned and polished.

Nyx doesn't include every character in every release, some get extra focus some sit out(to come back later) but the story has been status quo for too many of the characters for too long now.
Nyx seems to love her mysteries and teasing confrontations but not delivering answers to these mysteries, they keep carrying on, even if seemingly the answer is obvious and constantly hinted at(Erynn-John and MC with Navarro), makes me fear for asspulls just to surprise the audience.
The game has several LIs just waiting to take the "next step", but it never comes...

I'm not simplifying anything, i just feel like we've waited way too long for this next step and the mysteries need a definitive answer.

Nyx sure sounds passionate and commited in her blog, but if she fails to deliver what good is that?

 

[Acsuka]

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I definitely don't wait or pay attention nearly as much as most of you, therefore my frustrations are considerably lower so my view will be swayed to more forgiving.

I'm going to play devils advocate here. However, I believe you are completely accurate.

As you mentioned, Cara and Nikki were definitely a horrible decision to introduce/continue using in the plot. As you point out, this indicates that a thorough planning step was not carried through or she failed to effectively utilise the plan. My argument is around the idea of longer updates being caused by detached characters as the plot progresses and choices necessitate increased branching. Nyx exhibits sphagetti-type thinking, in which her intentions and writing goals twist and twirl without a definite complete circle finish. As evidently seen with Iris and Nikki/Cara.

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In terms of programming and technology, it was clear to me when I first looked at Intertwined that she was unfamiliar with AVN development/programming. So it's not surprising that these difficulties have arisen, although frustratingly. But I don't see the sense in becoming outraged when it's obvious that a project isn't being generated by a seasoned developer. I believe she has previously stated that intertwined is a learning process for her. So I don't understand why I should be unhappy when she has been open about the fact that she is learning.

Patreon and AVNs are unambiguously a risk since they are so easily accessible. Nyx obviously grasped the importance of planning and constructing the initial segment of the game, when there was not a lot of branching and uncertainties. The inexperience with creating and projecting future deliverables has becoming increasingly more evident as the game has expanded. But my justification and reasoning for not being as upset as you guys are, is that she has been upfront about her inexperience and lack of expertise in these areas. I'm under no illusion that this is a masterpiece project that will be completed without faults and future refinments. She has clearly improved in her ability to code and produce renders and updated episode 1 to reflect that. Frustration at this is completly valid! I view this project as a learning ground that will slowly develop into a acceptable product.

I will be the first to admit I'm a fucking idiot who knows nothing and is only writing this because I am a fucking degenerate loser. This is what I probably look like typing this:
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Reading your replies and justifications has undoubtedly influenced my perspective and ideas on the project. I hadn't considered the angles from which you are plainly viewing the project. Thank you for taking the time to explain your opions to me!
To finish this off I just want to say if anyone wants to make love to my wife, let me know.
#CLM
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Don't hurt Nikki, I love her. You can get Elena for free, but Nikki stays and that's it.

 

[camube]

On the technical aspect, we just had an update that fucked saves up, next update will be more code rework so probably will need to start again and she is leaving stuff up to update at a later time so new playthrough will be required again when that will happen. I am pretty sure there were other times in the past, before I started playing, where a restart was required because of patching changes she didn't plan.
Just wait and see how many people will give up just for this very reason, no matter how good a game is, it's not worth the hassle after a while, let alone one like this that has lost so much steam to the point of plot barely moving.

On the story aspect, there were major change all through the development of this game, so much so, that now we have 3 'side' characters, one was supposed to be a background character and one was supposed to die, having the most screen time and more scenes than the main girls the game was designed to be centered around, Layla and Erynn.

To defend Nyx on having a clear plan with the game is so delusional, is laughable.
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Edit: Forgot she almost lost her files because she didn't think to back up her game duffs, like lol.

who was supposed to be the background character?
supposed to die is Nikki?

 

[Acsuka]

supposed to die is Nikki?

 

[NebulousShooter]

who was supposed to be the background character?
supposed to die is Nikki?

Alexis was supposed to be a side fuck and Nikki was supposed to die

 

[camube]

Alexis was supposed to be a side fuck and Nikki was supposed to die

on my first blind playthrough (before i knew everything is intertwined around Alexis), i rejected alexis, lol

I thought the story was supposed to be about Erynn, and hten i realized i missed shit ton of content by rejecting Alexis (and also not wanting anything to do with Cara and Nikki).

That blind playthrough legit is missing 30% of the game, lol

 

[Acsuka]

Alexis was supposed to be a side fuck and Nikki was supposed to die

You are mean to them...I like this story with these girls.
Everyone's taste is different...

 

[soprano31]

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[Just Jericho]

on my first blind playthrough (before i knew everything is intertwined around Alexis), i rejected alexis, lol

I thought the story was supposed to be about Erynn, and hten i realized i missed shit ton of content by rejecting Alexis (and also not wanting anything to do with Cara and Nikki).

That blind playthrough legit is missing 30% of the game, lol

I still reject Alexis at the beginning of all my playthroughs lol.

I don't know if I'd say "everything is intertwined around Alexis". As a character, she really doesn't have much impact on the story at all. Sure there are a lot of sex scenes and a couple extra date scenes on her route but she barely appears at all otherwise. Everything else progresses with or without her.

That might change at some point in the future, but I don't really see her as a very important character right now. Nikki and Cara too for that matter. Probably because all three characters were initially meant to be side fucks only.

 

[anonnyscouse]

Kind of agree with LSC on this one judging by some things Nyx has said in prior progress updates. She's said stuff like "still debating which LIs will get content and who won't", then she's mentioned times where she's worked on a scene, didn't like it, redid the scene, still didn't like it, then ended up dropping the scene entirely.

So I get the impression she does a lot of "writing on the fly" with a smattering of ideas instead of relying on outlines, and she's run into hiccups related to that. Seems to me with a story with so many cross-relationships and paths, some outlining would make the whole thing easier to tackle without so many rewrites and scrapped scenes.

But the dev's style is the dev's style. If that's what works for her, then who am I to judge.

That's the main issue I have. She did have an outline, but it was thrown out of the window years ago. She's now got to write scenes for Alexis and Nikki who were not meant to be involved at this stage of the story and has had that problem for a while now (Alexis was meant to be a quick fuck and out of the story (other than potentially being a problem for Erynn and Layla routes) and Nikki was meant to be killed during that car scene ages ago). So it's inevitable that she is having to write scenes that were not in the outline she originally had, Alexis still being around impacts on Erynn and Layla storylines too, having Layla storyline impacted inevitably then impacts Elena and Valeria storylines. So yes this is all being written on the fly and the game is suffering for it, but it is what it is and there's nothing we can do about it.

 

[nitkonikic]

on my first blind playthrough (before i knew everything is intertwined around Alexis), i rejected alexis, lol

I thought the story was supposed to be about Erynn, and hten i realized i missed shit ton of content by rejecting Alexis (and also not wanting anything to do with Cara and Nikki).

That blind playthrough legit is missing 30% of the game, lol

Oh get on my level, 0 girls run.

I do it for almost every VN, because it's fun to see how much content story remains if you take girls out. Turns out...not that much. Think it was 2 updates ago or so, I loaded my no girls run, use CTRL to skip seen content...and finished less than 10s later.

Still not as fun as another game where I did no girls run. It describes what MC does, then usually has girl for each scene. Was funny as hell seeing MC narrate "I got out of bed", black screen, "I take a shower", black screen, "I went to work", black screen, "I took a lunch", black screen.

Now to be on topic here, I have no idea how Nyx plans to make Elena romance be anything but rushed. She's my favorite girl, but so far she has basically 0 content. Same can be said for Valerie. She was added recently, and unless VN keeps on going for 10 more updates, how does Nyx make MC care more about her than any girl that existed from the start?

Delayed updates never bothered me, plenty of fish in the sea, I'm more worried this one will never get finished because the scope is too large.

 

[Just Jericho]

Oh get on my level, 0 girls run.

I do it for almost every VN, because it's fun to see how much content story remains if you take girls out. Turns out...not that much. Think it was 2 updates ago or so, I loaded my no girls run, use CTRL to skip seen content...and finished less than 10s later.

Still not as fun as another game where I did no girls run. It describes what MC does, then usually has girl for each scene. Was funny as hell seeing MC narrate "I got out of bed", black screen, "I take a shower", black screen, "I went to work", black screen, "I took a lunch", black screen.

Now to be on topic here, I have no idea how Nyx plans to make Elena romance be anything but rushed. She's my favorite girl, but so far she has basically 0 content. Same can be said for Valerie. She was added recently, and unless VN keeps on going for 10 more updates, how does Nyx make MC care more about her than any girl that existed from the start?

Delayed updates never bothered me, plenty of fish in the sea, I'm more worried this one will never get finished because the scope is too large.

Naw, Elena has been slowly set up as a landmine character and/or a potential threesome bang since the beginning. There's nothing rushed about Elena. And sure Val shows up later in the current version but there has been plenty of content with her in EP7~EP10, so she doesn't seem rushed to me at all either. Val has got a LOT of fans so I'd say plenty people care for Val content.

BTW, Val appears to be showing up as early as EP2 in the reworks. There are quite a few notable changes to dialogue and character appearances in the reworks, so who knows.. Maybe you'll get more Elena after all.

 

[Warscared]

Alexis was supposed to be a side fuck and Nikki was supposed to die

and Erynn a whore that you could save or take advantage off if you partnered up with Ethan but she removed the buddies with Ethan path !