lol and yet Layla is my favourite. The only girl I'm not keen on Alexis. Its funny how we all have different preferences.
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honestly I almost wrote Alexis off after the first few interactions. But once she went off super slut mode and was trying to act like a somewhat wholesome / playful LI or girlfriend that was enough for me to finish her path and enjoy it from that point onwards.
I honestly wish I knew why I cant see Layla as anything more than a friend. As my first time playing I was going to go for her initially but somewhere along the way changed my mind from LI to putting her in the friendzone.
I'll give Alexis a chance with another playthrough. I'm not a fan of dishonesty in relationships but I'll give her a chance to redeem herself.
I'm not making excuses, i just don't care about it... it's something that happened years ago, when they were waaay too young.
Both could've done things in a slightly different and maybe things would've been better, dwelling on it is dumb and immature, but despite saying "it isn't about the confession" you keep coming back to the well and seemingly getting angry that she didn't do this or that...
Both of us can create scenarios in our heads, is that surprising?
There's a difference though, you create various fantasy scenarios in your head as to what she should've done and i created this scenario to "defeat" your scenario that she should've taken a trip to see him, there's a lot of conditions to be met for this trip to be feasible and we have no idea if they were met, i didn't even need to include the "MC-Andres" possible convo, if Andres simply says no because he doesn't want another kid in his house that's it, so many points where the thing could've broken down.
There's a reason why i spend less time creating fantasy scenarios it's because the game so far is on my side on this one.
The game tells us, "she tried her best but she didn't succeed", that's it, both involved parties seem to agree to it... you don't wanna agree to it, you wanna keep finding reasons to justify you being mad at her, "she's lying" (about what?), "she could've tried harder"...
I'm not gonna convince you otherwise if the game outright saying it didn't.
I'll say it's fine that you don't like her, it's less fine that you keep making stuff up to justify your dislike.
All i'm gonna tell you is that Nyx(until she changes her mind again) has moved on from this topic, which suits me because i'm totally over it.
The game doesn't say they never ran into each other, just that he avoided her and acted like a huge asshole, it's difficult to have a conversation with brat sometimes, and it's not responsability of just one side to deal with general assholiness from the other side.
All it must be said is that, she remained sympathetic to him and wanted to reconect with him despite the MC putting barriers to that interaction and making it difficult, she never gave up and said, you know what "fuck him".
We don't know what which point Erynn found out about the interaction between Alexis and MC, she surely didn't know anything immediately after... not only this is a "coulda/shoulda" when it's perfectly reasonable that Erynn wants to handle this herself instead of involving her friend who has nothing to do with the problem and as far as she knows doesn't have any kind of relationship with the MC, it sounds like her going "talk to his kid you never talked before for me", instead of trying it herself (like she did).
We have no idea when she learned of their interaction, we have no idea if it would have worked... as far as we know as soon as Alexis brings "you should talk to Erynn" he might turn asshole against her too since at this point in time the MC feels wounded by Erynn, and her siding with Erynn makes her the enemy.
I'm not blaming him either for feeling like he did back then, situation looked bad indeed... I just think now that "mistakes were made" and "it's time to move on".
BTW Alexis justification for being "short on the truth" on the plane is that she was scared that if she revealed her identity and friendship Erynn the MC wouldn't react well and would cut her off... and that's with 5 years after the event to cool off.
And you think it's a good idea to send her in "next week" to talk to this guy...
Again mistakes were made, she's a nice good natured girl who kept giving Ethan chances, despite the fact that he didn't deserve it.
Naive? Sure. A little idiotic? Perhaps, but sometimes it takes years to grasp just how much of an asshole someone is... she's a nice girl and didn't want to burn him right away, so much so that when he changed his attitude for awhile she bought into it.
Again, that was very naive, should she be burned at the stake because she was naive and dumb? I don't think so...
Still better late than never, that at least now she has a bad "relationship" with him, knows exactly who he is and just wants to be rid of him.
I sincerely hope in real life you are better at "forgive and forget", it's just a skill people need to learn, holding on to grudges is just not a good thing.
A good friend would've given a heads up "hey i'm kinda having a thing with your childhood friend, is that ok?" (specially because Alexis suspects Erynn has a thing for him), that was all it would take, instead of lying and deceiving...
This is being a terrible friend, even Alexis will tell you that since she expresses regret for her actions.
It's telling that Erynn is only pissed at Alexis for lying and not at the MC for dating Alexis.
Incorrect, both girls went to find and talk to him that day... one had terrible luck and due to a convoluted sequence of events and didn't succeed in her mission.
When Erynn finds out that Alexis has been lying to her about this, she wonders what has she lied about in the past? That feels normal to me, you learn someone is feeding you lies you wonder is this just this time? Or has this been going on for awhile?
We don't know in what context Ethan told Erynn she banged Alexis, it would be interesting to explore it lol.
I also think if your "best friend" was banging your arch nemesis, someone who makes your life a living hell, you'd have the right to feel a little aggrieved.
Despite all this, she still trusts that Alexis told her the truth on this, her reaction at the bar was just spur of the moment thing after being lied to.
Somewhat close to the truth i think, Erynn doesn't outright "call dibs" but she has had conversations with Alexis about the MC and how much she misses him, Alexis talks like she believes Erynn loves him... it did nothing to stop her, just made her go behind her friends back, lie to her, and again not even a heads up.
Layla mostly flies on clear skies, not a lot of discussion on her, most people agree that she's fun to be around and a nice girl.
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Yeah I feel that even then I still usually like to play their path for content later. Glad you are willing to give her another chance. Only reason I was able to get past it and giver her a high LI ranking on my personal list. I felt her lie / dishonesty wasn't the worst cause scenario for a lie especially compared to other AVN girls that lie. Also I felt the lie didn't come with bad intentions just strong feeling and emotions which she acted on in spur of the moment without thinking. To me it wasn't a huge lie while it was still big enough to hurt Erynn. Also Erynn forgiving her was a big plus for me. Also the fact she said she was going to tell Erynn (that day If i recall correctly), so I took that at face value and believed her. Would been interesting if you weren't on Alexis's path to see if she does tell Erynn, since Erynn finds out about Alexis cause of your phone. That and im a sucker when a LI gives me that wholesome girlfriend over LI feeling especially when they are playful.
Not trying to convince you to like her just a short summary of why I was able to get past it. As I know everyone treats lies and dishonesty differently. But when you do another playthrough on her path id be curious if you do end up changing your mind slightly about her.
Erynn went through MC's phone and his PRIVATE photos without asking for permission (or even telling him she'd done that) and that really bothers me. Plus it's illegal, at least in my country. We have an option to do that ourselves in the game and it leads to losing points with that girl. I never really paid much attention to Erynn before, but the further this thread goes on and the more stuff about Erynn it digs up, the more minus points she collects in my eyes to me slowly starting to agree that maybe she truly is as crap a person as some believe her to be.
Btw., what lie by Lexi? AFAIK Erynn didn't ask her "is MC back home?" at any point, nor was she ever asked if she's dating him. So, no lying nor dishonesty. Lexi really wasn't obligated to tell Erynn anything since the guy in question had cut Erynn out of his life at that point. Again, since it was his life and his previous friendship with Erynn it was his decision whether to tell her he's back.
Taking the control over his own life away from him by telling Erynn without him being ready for that being known would've been dishonest.
Though less dishonest than going through his phone without permission. If a gf did that with my phone, unless she's got goddamn good reasons she would instantly become ex-gf.
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Your first point is a bit off because the MC did offer for her to use the phone. He just happened to get a text from Alexis during that time. But I will give you this just she did snoop a bit because she was curious if it was the same Alexis there is no defending that. While it's still snooping it isnt as bad as you make it out to be. Since it wasn't like she took the phone without asking.
But depending on your pov can still leave a bad taste and come off as something bad. To me it doesn't as it wasn't her original intent and probably seemed a bit of a coincidence to her. Since someone named Alexis texted him and her best friend that she talked about how much she liked MC is named Alexis. So I imagine a coincidence like that would be hard to not get curious and snoop a bit for a lot of people but yeah you are right should of still told him that she looked at his pictures. If this makes her a horrible person or not is up to the players personal believes because with context it isn't black and white that she did something bad / horrible.
Well Alexis did lie to the MC as she knew who he was the entire time and he even confronts her about this. She did lie to Erynn about not going to the concert with her cause she took the MC instead when they were originally were going to go with one another. While you do make a bit of a point about it would be taking away control from the MC to tell Erynn but it wasn't like he asked Alexis to keep it a secret either. You are right as far as we know the Drama part technically wasn't a lie and kind of was at the same time. I'd say it was more something like an implied promise since they are best friends that tell each other everything keeping the MC's return a secret does come across as one. Even Alexis feels bad for doing it that right there is enough for me to say at the very least she was being dishonest. Since you dont feel bad about doing something unless you know it was wrong to begin with.
Im not sure if this was already asked or not. There are almost 1200 pages at this point. Does anybody know if there is a route now or maybe in the future where you get with Melissa or Emily ?
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First of all, holy fucking text wall. Let's go from bottom to top,
I really don't understand "woulda, coulda, shoulda" defence. In certain situations there are certain expectations from people, usually accepted by the society. When you did not meet them people say you shoulda do that, coulda done anything else, woulda been better etc.
Let's try it over an example, if you are in an exclusive relationship you should stay faithful. If you cheat on her. People say you should have stayed faithful, you could have break up before cheating that would have been better. If you say don't use "woulda, coulda, shoulda" that is not logical explanation, don't you think?
Btw, it is a fairly long text wall for someone who does not care about it, just sayin'.
I over and over said this is not the reason I dislike her, I am not even mad at her let alone try to justify it. I am saying it isn't about the confession because it is not. If you checked how this discussion started, Dessolos said she likes Erynn and I asked why, because I wanted to see other side's opinion on her. He explained his reasoning which I accepted, even joined some of his thoughts. We even agreed on punch counter of Ethan would be good. Then I said I dislike her and listed some interactions I found weird about her. It was not only confession, there were some other things too. It was not even discussion at that point, we shared our opinions on a character. I admit after I read his reasoning, I see Erynn in a different light. Iirc, Dessolos said the same in another post.
Then you people started bashing me why I was wrong about confession, how I misunderstood, how I missed key elements etc. so I basically replied with I am aware all the points you are making and I still stand behind my opinions, though still I accept other opinions and it is just seeing something from different eyes. Also, I am not alone on this opinion so it's not an uncommon one either. If you check last a few pages, you can see that.
But I wholeheartedly agree, let's not dwell on it like it was intended to in the first place.
Here's the post I asked about Erynn,
irl, I am good at "forgive and forget" but I prefer "forget and move on" because of the shits I've been through and mostly the people I forgave did the same after I forgave them. Though I am glad you have not met that many toxic people so you can still see forgiving as a noble act.
Looks like this is the point we are differentiate, what she did was not giving chance to Ethan, it was choosing Ethan over MC. In life, there are some points you make a choice between things. When your new friend bullies your old friend and openly declares he will keep doing it, if you stick with him, that means you are choosing him over the other one. It's not exactly giving another chance because that chance cost you your friendship. She did the same with all other friends too except Alexis. Even Alexis choice was hard to make for her too. When Ethan turned his target on Erynn, it was the time he became bad guy. This shows how bad a person Erynn was. You can not weasel out claiming you were naive and kind.
Completely, absolutely wrong. We do know exact point when she figured it out. We do know how she acted to Alexis after that. We do know how she acted to MC after that. Erynn find out about it when MC gave his phone to her to make a phone call. She immediately storm out to meet with Alexis. She yelled at her, blamed her and even accuse her lying about Ethan(so she still believes Ethan, after all he had done to her and her friends) and stormed off the bar without giving Alexis a chance to explain herself, left her broke down crying in her workplace. Then came back to her house, kicked out MC who had nowhere to go without giving any explanation. If MC try to understand what's going on, she just yell at him. He did not even had a chance to get his stuff.
I really don't understand "woulda, coulda, shoulda" defence. In certain situations there are certain expectations from people, usually accepted by the society. When you did not meet them people say you shoulda do that, coulda done anything else, woulda been better etc.
Let's try it over an example, if you are in an exclusive relationship you should stay faithful. If you cheat on her. People say you should have stayed faithful, you could have break up before cheating that would have been better. If you say don't use "woulda, coulda, shoulda" that is not logical explanation, don't you think?
Some things cool down over the time and some others boil up. In what MC has been through, it is expected his anger would cool down and his grudge boil up over time. She did not afraid of his anger because as he stated in the game he is no longer angry but he still holds grudge over it and when she noticed that she was afraid of that. She even acknowledged that within her thought "after all this time, he might still has lingering feelings." No one would want to get cut off of someone they like especially for a thing they did not even commit. Blame was on Erynn, not Alexis but she still felt guilty over that and she left the plane without MC noticed. So what Alexis did on the plane was wrong I've never defended it but it was somewhat acceptable and tbh a little bit expected. Even next time they met in Alexis' house, it still is acceptable because their interaction interrupted by someone, most likely Layla. Where she dropped the ball was afterwards, she should have said who she was to MC because they were starting to a relationship. Confessing to MC much more important than confessing to Erynn but everyone blames her for Erynn not for MC.
I feel like you are overlooking what I say on purpose. When MC came back to town, you can choose to avoid Erynn. Next day she ambushes the MC in his bed to get answers. He still is actively avoiding Erynn and he still is an asshole, in your words, because he got angry over most likely the most terrible experience he have been through. She got the answers when she wanted it. She even reached that point next morning, did not need weeks. I am saying when she wanted it, she can do that. If she wanted that she could have manage to have a talk with MC in that several weeks. Other points that I said you all wrongfully lingering, was extreme examples how could she have done that. Alexis, Emily, Melissa, showing up at his house these are all extreme, some more than others, paths she could have taken. Is it possible, yes; is it likely, probably not but my point in this when there is a will, there's a way. As a good friend what expected from her was at least get an explanation from MC why he was avoiding her since she was too stupid to understand what she did to him. Did she do that in any way? No she did not. That makes her a bad person in my eyes.
The game does not say "she tried her best but she didn't succeed" it is Erynn's claim in the game, there is a difference. You don't even reach that scene if you don't trust Erynn. You are asking about what I think she is lying about, the answer is this. I think she is lying about this, only thing against that is the Erynn's words which I don't believe in the first place. You are saying both involved parties seems to agree, which is not true. Erynn is the one making the claim, whether or not she agrees irrelevant. MC agrees to that, only you as a player go down on that path. First you choose the option to trust and listen Erynn, then you claim MC accepts it. That is at best ridiculous, MC did not accepted it you did. You can also choose to leave Erynn getting beat up by Ethan in a dark alley and he basically says she deserved it. What do you think is this MC looks like would accept Erynn's explanation?
Btw, it is a fairly long text wall for someone who does not care about it, just sayin'.
I over and over said this is not the reason I dislike her, I am not even mad at her let alone try to justify it. I am saying it isn't about the confession because it is not. If you checked how this discussion started, Dessolos said she likes Erynn and I asked why, because I wanted to see other side's opinion on her. He explained his reasoning which I accepted, even joined some of his thoughts. We even agreed on punch counter of Ethan would be good. Then I said I dislike her and listed some interactions I found weird about her. It was not only confession, there were some other things too. It was not even discussion at that point, we shared our opinions on a character. I admit after I read his reasoning, I see Erynn in a different light. Iirc, Dessolos said the same in another post.
Then you people started bashing me why I was wrong about confession, how I misunderstood, how I missed key elements etc. so I basically replied with I am aware all the points you are making and I still stand behind my opinions, though still I accept other opinions and it is just seeing something from different eyes. Also, I am not alone on this opinion so it's not an uncommon one either. If you check last a few pages, you can see that.
But I wholeheartedly agree, let's not dwell on it like it was intended to in the first place.
Here's the post I asked about Erynn,
and here's the one I accepted of his and listed mine. (not the whole post since this post became a novel, you can click and see all if you want)
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You've been writing text walls for a while yourself haven't you?
At that point she didn't think it was necessary to chose between them, she thought the situation could be handled in a different way, was that the right decision? No it was not.
But she didn't know just how evil Ethan could get.
Then the MC leaves town and takes himself off the table...
At any time if Erynn wanted Ethan she could've had him, this wasn't her prioritizing him, it was simply her being a naive trusting person.
We are talking about 2 different things regarding Alexis, i was talking about when did Erynn find out about the kiss from 5 years ago?
You were insistent on using Alexis to help in that situation, "Alexis and the MC have a good relationship" despite the fact that as far as Erynn knows they have 0 relationship, so i was questioning "does Erynn even know that they interacted?".
Coming back to the present, not showing absolute faith in Alexis words after she proves duplicitous is just human nature, and even then she goes back to trusting her words again shortly after, even before they make up.
The game offers various choices, Erynn's side is obviously portrayed better if you choose to give her a chance and listen to what she has to say, than if you are still holding a grudge and just wants to stay the fuck away from her, that should be obvious, but it seems like you want to stay angry.
On holding on to grudges, i just think it's time the MC recognizes Erynn never intended to hurt him, she did try to reach him and he made some mistakes of his own... to me this seems a situation of forgiveness instead of holding on to a pointless grudge that you know by now only happened because of a misunderstanding and bad timing.
And wether "has she done enough? Has she tried as hard as possible?", dude, it takes 2 people to fight, one is trying for conciliation the other wants to extend the fight... and you place the blame solely on the one seeking conciliation, really?
Yeah you stand behind your opinion despite it being factually contradicted in game, everyone already got that, you have your own made up mind.
There are many reasons to say no to Erynn, she indeed made the mistakes, she's suffering for them to this day, things with her don't happen in a straightforward way... because she brings so much baggage along, those are all good reasons to say "thanks but no thanks to her", and i wouldn't contest....
But your theory that she didn't care enough about the MC is directly contradicted by the story, but it requires you to stop and follow her personal route(with an open mind).
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Mfs be writing the Da Vinci Code for AVN characters.
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Best part of it, I did write that text wall at work.
In my defence, it was a break time. 
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The beauty is this:
People dissing Lexi and trying explain Erynn mistakes.
When talking why Layla is best girl and sad because Elena is in horny jail behind plot gates.
People dissing Lexi and trying explain Erynn mistakes.
When talking why Layla is best girl and sad because Elena is in horny jail behind plot gates.
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Emily is for sure a no, Melissa unlikely but within the realm of possibility I'd say.
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These mofos here are writing the next installment of Harry Potter
Best part of it, I did write that text wall at work.
I agree with pretty much every single thing you said. Thank you for putting it in words so succinctly, I've tried to but made a mess of it.
I dont get why you people feel the need to justify & impose your personal preferences upon total strangers in the internet.
You can like/dislike whoever you want for whatever reasons you want and there's no need to get other people to approve of your likes and dislikes.
You can like/dislike whoever you want for whatever reasons you want and there's no need to get other people to approve of your likes and dislikes.
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While I don't fully agree with some of your opinions or reasoning here I also see / understand your points you are making. I just wanted to say it was interesting to read as I love how in these games we both can see a certain scene or scenario completely different. Which imo is the beauty in playing AVN's and reading other people's thought on these forums.