VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.14.1] [Nyx]

[Tremonia]

You're all forgetting one thing: Nyx doesn't give a shit about the age thing. Patreon had no problem with it and that's the only thing that mattered to her. She changed the age thing solely because so many alleged players were constantly bugging her about it and she was constantly pestered about it. In the end, she said that she was changing the numbers so that the toddlers would stop bitching and that she didn't care if the new ages made sense.

Any discussion about this is therefore pointless. She knows that the ages don't really fit the story anymore, but it doesn't bother her. If it bothers the players, they shouldn't have complained about it beforehand. From a European perspective, the debate is ridiculous anyway. Sexual intercourse between teenagers is normal here and only a very small minority have a problem with it. Nyx is a Greek woman living in Spain, so she obviously has a European background.

And once again: it was fine for Patreon. It was players who had a problem. So we've to deal with it thanks to some fellas.

 

[Maviarab]

You're all forgetting one thing: Nyx doesn't give a shit about the age thing. Patreon had no problem with it and that's the only thing that mattered to her. She changed the age thing solely because so many alleged players were constantly bugging her about it and she was constantly pestered about it.

Suuuuuure....

More like Patreon missed it or never saw it. I refuse to believe she is changing it to appease a few whiners. Patreon for damn sure, even 2 years ago, would have a huge fucking problem with what is effectively chi1d porn (because the authorities could also sue the shit out of them too if for no other reason).

Sorry Trem, anyone saying (and believing) Patreon knew about this and were all...'is ok..it's all fine' is majorly deluded.

Sexual intercourse between teenagers is normal here and only a very small minority have a problem with it

FFS...that is not the issue. Underage teens are fucking like rabbits here too.....Nyx could have described it, fine...but you CANNOT SHOW IT if one is a minor (animated or otherwise)!

And once again: it was fine for Patreon.

And once again, I can assure you, fuck what Patreon may or may not have known about or were ok with...the fucking LAW would have a problem with it (a pretty universal law btw all around the damn world), therefore so would Patreon! Why the feck do you think Reddit (an massive international company about to be floated on the market) banned it? For the shits and giggles?????

Why is that so godamn hard to sink in and comprehend for you?

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Edit: Not that any of it ultimately matters now, she is changing it, it is fucking up her story...and it is what it is.

 

[cxx]

I think it maybe easier to simply remove that one flashback scene with Iris from the game than to change the MC's age and try to fix all of the above.

then her being at present doesn't make much sense.

If it's just to remove the obscene scene, I would agree, but I disagree with removing the entire flashback. I thought it turned out really well, and I loved that young Iris.

well "old" iris looks very much same.

 

[Tremonia]

More like Patreon missed it or never saw it.

Yeah, sure. After they got her under review five times? They missed it all the five times? Well, after all, nothing changed after these reviews.

I refuse to believe she is changing it to appease a few whiners.

That's not what I wrote. She changed it to shut people up and have peace of mind. Changing a few lines of dialog may have cost her half an hour of her life. Working through these toddlers over and over again obviously cost her more than just a few hours. Why should she go to more trouble than changing a few words in the code, let alone changing everything from a high school setting to a college setting? That would be months of rework without working on new content.

She resisted changing the age of the MC for a long time, precisely because it's kind of pointless. At the end of the day, however, it's an extremely small detail in the context of the whole story. It's just Nyx's way of giving the middle finger to petty idiots. You may say:

it is fucking up her story

Well, she made clear she don't give fucks anymore about this.

I'm just saying how it is. Don't shoot me.

 

[cxx]

I'm just saying how it is. Don't shoot me.

now where did i put that shotgun?

 

[Maviarab]

At the end of the day, however, it's an extremely small detail in the context of the whole story

Having what is classed as child p0rn in your VN is not a small little unimportant detail. A detail Nyx chose to put in by explicitly stating the MC's age and explicitly stating the timelength of his relationship and when with Iris. Or she failed to do simple math (would not surprise me). I'll leave it for others to decide if Nyx was pushing the boundaries or she not that smart.

Again, you're pushing the narrative...if you really believe....truly think Patreon saw that...and were fine with it...(when you have no idea exactly how many times she has been 'inspected'...if she even actually has, or what she showed them....or what she purposefully didn't...when...)

Then....I really don't know what to say. Unless we're also going to assume whoever keeps 'inspecting' her is as dumb as rocks also when it comes to basic math and a global age law? (also a possibility I guess).

I think I've mentioned before, I'm more amazed the page is still here considering it's confirmed in the script, when F95 admins are happy to cover their asses (legally) over what just 'appears' to be underage (rule 7 is it, along with their recent loli announcement).

 

[anonnyscouse]

then her being at present doesn't make much sense.

Intimacy can be implied without being explicitly shown. There's no problem showing Iris in a state of undress in the flashback as she's over 18 back then anyway so you can keep the scene up until MC starts undressing then fade to black, it would make it clear what happened without breaking any laws. There's any number of movies and TV shows with underage characters which have done the same thing.

 

[cxx]

Intimacy can be implied without being explicitly shown. There's no problem showing Iris in a state of undress in the flashback as she's over 18 back then anyway so you can keep the scene up until MC starts undressing then fade to black, it would make it clear what happened without breaking any laws. There's any number of movies and TV shows with underage characters which have done the same thing.

right but it's not same impact as if is shown what mc and she did.

 

[Tremonia]

Having what is classed as child p0rn in your VN is not a small little unimportant detail.

Seriously? Childs? Don't wanna hurt feelings of someone but Intertwined isn't a movie with actors. I hope you never went to Louvre in Paris, because, boy, would you get upset about some art there. But it doesn't matter at all. Patreon was fine with it. It was just Nyx who didn't wanted to deal with all the whining of a certain crowd. It was a small crowd but they're noisy and annoying.

If changing of a few words in some dialogues upsets you so much, you can just uncompile the game and edit the rpy files back in the state you want. Oh wait, you don't have to change anything. The changes will come with the next update release. Maybe you should save these files so you can just copy them back after the update. In the current state Intertwined is what its always was.

 

[dolfe67]

Why should she go to more trouble than changing a few words in the code, let alone changing everything from a high school setting to a college setting?

If she wants to be on steam, she would have to do it. Personally I've no problem with it and I'm sick of those censorships.

right but it's not same impact as if is shown what mc and she did.

Sure but it's the less worse way to censor it, if it needs censorship.

 

[MiltonPowers]

It was a small crowd but they're noisy and annoying.

They always are, no matter what they are promoting or complaining about.

 

[Kond]

remember she doesn't have an ex just a guy who claims her. Which I wonder what happened to him you haven't seen or heard from that character since.

I think hes still around and we are just not seeing him, i bet hes the one who stole Layla's hoodie while she was training with MC and Val.

 

[Adhdclassic]

I think hes still around and we are just not seeing him, i bet hes the one who stole Layla's hoodie while she was training with MC and Val.

I forgot that happened.

 

[Dr.TSoni]

I think hes still around and we are just not seeing him, i bet hes the one who stole Layla's hoodie while she was training with MC and Val.

The problem is that the guy is presented as the major conflict in Layla's romance but we don't see him for a while, and he is put aside for this useless alleged incest problem

 

[cxx]

If she wants to be on steam, she would have to do it. Personally I've no problem with it and I'm sick of those censorships.

this is still quite far away from steam release and nyx could have fixed it after final version but then no debate about it.

 

[Maviarab]

this is still quite far away from steam release and nyx could have fixed it after final version but then no debate about it.

Have to completely remove the 'school' setting for this to even be considered for a Steam release.

 

[cxx]

Have to completely remove the 'school' setting for this to even be considered for a Steam release.

college is ok since all are 18+ (outside flashbacks).

 

[MakkAnzy]

Honestly, I am not surprised the boys at Patreon missed it, even if they inspected the game 5 times.

I've done many playthroughs myself and hadn't noticed until I got that warning on Reddit and looked into why. And even then I was still scratching my head in confusion... lol

If I had to guess, I'd say this could be because the character age in question is a male and the MC, and not the expected underage girl they usually look for and find in the games they ban.

But who's to say that one day they won't wise up to this and decide to ban the game? Nyx is smart, she may seem like she is doing it just to appease the players bugging her about it, but I am sure she also knows that she is on thin ice with Patreon too, especially with the recent changes. All it takes is one savvy inspector and it all goes up in flames.

A Patreon ban will be a hit right on the money. It will hurt, and that's not worth the risk to the project.

Either way, I think fixing this, no matter what her "real" reasons are, is the right thing to do for herself and the game.

 

[Tremonia]

Honestly, I am not surprised the boys at Patreon missed it, even if they inspected the game 5 times.

They didn't "missed" it. This was a specific point in one review from Patreon.

 

[cxx]

well there's still that like a half of town could be related to mc.