VN Ren'Py Intertwined [v0.14.1] [Nyx]

[MrDude1977]

Because John was a father figure to MC, so trust was already built. It's why Emily asks MC if he's ok with them dating.

MC only just met Brooke, building up a rapport with her and helping her with her feelings towards Emily makes much more sense than the "I was a lesbian, but your bike is so cool so I'm going to forget all that and ride your rocket".

Again we don't know if she's only into women so there goes that theory also. As i said before some ppl was probably wanting Emily to be with someone so the Dev gave them John and made it an option for those that doesn't want it. I think Zak is the only person that you can score points for that isn't a Li or someone MC can Bang. And I already told you why we can score points with Zak. I think if Emily was actually Bisexual she would have done something in the 19 years since college. She kisses Mel in the pool after getting drunk and that's it.

 

[byaaahh]

Again we don't know if she's only into women so there goes that theory also. To me i just think the Brooke and Emily thing is just a few ppl's wishful thinking. As i said before some ppl was probably wanting Emily to be with someone so the Dev gave them John and made it an option for those that doesn't want it. I think Zak is the only person that you can score points for that isn't a Li or someone MC can Bang. And I already told you why we can score points with Zak.

I'm pretty sure Brooke mentions only being into women when laying on the couch with MC, in the restaurant locker room. I don't think anyone was actively calling for Emily to have any partner, apart from the gooners who can't play an AVN without an MC who bangs his mother. Once it was revealed that Brooke was crushing on Emily (Episode 10 i think), that's when people started paying attention and speculating on Emily/Brooke. You said it yourself, prior to that revelation hardly anyone discussed Brooke because there are better options for MC to pursue.

Zack, Emily, Naomi, Adriana, Sienna and Sha'Carri are all characters that have points available. We know the first two are never going to be LI. The others are highly unlikely except Sienna and Sha'Carri, which could go either way.

 

[MrDude1977]

I'm pretty sure Brooke mentions only being into women when laying on the couch with MC, in the restaurant locker room. I don't think anyone was actively calling for Emily to have any partner, apart from the gooners who can't play an AVN without an MC who bangs his mother. Once it was revealed that Brooke was crushing on Emily (Episode 10 i think), that's when people started paying attention and speculating on Emily/Brooke. You said it yourself, prior to that revelation hardly anyone discussed Brooke because there are better options for MC to pursue.

Zack, Emily, Naomi, Adriana, Sienna and Sha'Carri are all characters that have points available. We know the first two are never going to be LI. The others are highly unlikely except Sienna and Sha'Carri, which could go either way.

Discussed Zak and Emily, i forgot who Naomi is, Hey maybe Adriana could be something maybe her husband is always busy so maybe lol We don't yet know about the future of Sienna and Sha'Carri so they could be future LI or just somebody to bang who knows so i still stand by my statement on those. Maybe Brooke does say she is only into women i don't remember her saying but it wouldn't be a first time a lesbian in a vn to go Bisexual for the right guy. To me the A Emily and Brooke would have to be an arc by it self and i don't see the Dev spending that much time on side characters. They have to much against them to make it a quick side story, Emily is twice her age, plus you would have to reopen Emily's mind to going Bisexual she hasn't been with a woman in nearly 20 years. Plus like said why give us the option to be flirty with Brooke? And why give a side character multiple Li options? Why would the Dev spend that much time on a side character? I know it would probably piss of 95% of players if dev spent to much time on it when she could be spending it on the MC.

 

[byaaahh]

Discussed Zak and Emily, i forgot who Naomi is, Hey maybe Adriana could be something maybe her husband is always busy so maybe lol We don't yet know about the future of Sienna and Sha'Carri so they could be future LI or just somebody to bang who knows so i still stand by my statement on those. Maybe Brooke does say she is only into women i don't remember her saying but it wouldn't be a first time a lesbian in a vn to go Bisexual for the right guy. To me the A Emily and Brooke would have to be an arc by it self and i don't see the Dev spending that much time on side characters. They have to much against them to make it a quick side story, Emily is twice her age, plus you would have to reopen Emily's mind to going Bisexual she hasn't been with a woman in nearly 20 years. Plus like said why give us the option to be flirty with Brooke? And why give a side character multiple Li options? Why would the Dev spend that much time on a side character?

Naomi is the black teacher, you get points in her class and have a chance to peep at her in the store changing rooms. It is highly unlikely that Adriana would jeopardize her happy marriage to a multi-millionaire, former athlete husband, to bang a student who happens to be dating one of her daughters. This entire game is predicated on arcs for side characters, even Haley and Coach Mike, who have no real impact have a reconciliation arc and they are nobodies.

I can't recall if Brooke's age has been explicitly stated, but she isn't the same age as MC. She has a younger brother that is 21, so I'd say mid-to-late 20s. If Emily had MC at 18 and he's 19, she's only late 30s. Not any more horrendous an age gap as MC/Mel. Also I don't recall being given the option to flirt with Brooke post-learning she has the hots for Emily. In fact it becomes playful ribbing about her becoming his "mommy".

As for "reopening" Emily's mind, you forgetting the major fallout after MC catching her kissing Mel? Nothing needs reopening.

 

[MrDude1977]

Naomi is the black teacher, you get points in her class and have a chance to peep at her in the store changing rooms. It is highly unlikely that Adriana would jeopardize her happy marriage to a multi-millionaire, former athlete husband, to bang a student who happens to be dating one of her daughters. This entire game is predicated on arcs for side characters, even Haley and Coach Mike, who have no real impact have a reconciliation arc and they are nobodies.

I can't recall if Brooke's age has been explicitly stated, but she isn't the same age as MC. She has a younger brother that is 21, so I'd say mid-to-late 20s. If Emily had MC at 18 and he's 19, she's only late 30s. Not any more horrendous an age gap as MC/Mel. Also I don't recall being given the option to flirt with Brooke post-learning she has the hots for Emily. In fact it becomes playful ribbing about her becoming his "mommy".

As for "reopening" Emily's mind, you forgetting the major fallout after MC catching her kissing Mel? Nothing needs reopening.

Yeah and while ago you was excusing mel for being intoxicated and Emily was stressed and intoxicated. And i just read the convo between Brooke and MC and he asked her if she liked his flirting and she said she liked it and he asked so your not 100% lesbian and she said i don't know. And she actually flirted back. And having a younger brother at 21 doesn't meant she's in her mid to late 20's she could be 22 or 23. And Emily probably in her late 30's to early 40's because we don't know what phase of college she's in when she got pregnant. Haley and Coach? They are barley mentioned so that doesn't count and i don't know of any other arcs of side characters. Like i said i just seen the scene with Brooke and there is more of a chance for MC getting with her than your letting on. It was admitted that she liked his flirting and that she flirted back and she didn't know if she is 100% lesbian. Her own words She did not know. and she flirted a bit with him when she was looking at his bike and kissed his cheek.

 

[byaaahh]

Yeah and while ago you was excusing mel for being intoxicated and Emily was stressed and intoxicated. And i just read the convo between Brooke and MC and he asked her if she liked his flirting and she said she liked it and he asked so your not 100% lesbian and she said i don't know.

I wasn't "excusing" anything, merely stating Mel hasn't exhibited lesbian tendencies while sober. She may just like fooling around when drunk, but doesn't want a lesbian relationship, something you implied Emily and her "would have done a long time ago".

It is also possible for friends to like flirting and there be nothing beyond that. It can boost people's mood and confidence. There is a clear paradigm shift in MC's behaviour towards Brooke when he learns she likes Emily, to the point of it looking more like him wing-manning her than trying to blow her back out. The whole "Mommy Brooke" moniker didn't spring from the community, but what MC calls her himself when he realises she may become his stepmom.

 

[MrDude1977]

Yeah and while ago you was excusing mel for being intoxicated and Emily was stressed and intoxicated. And i just read the convo between Brooke and MC and he asked her if she liked his flirting and she said she liked it and he asked so your not 100% lesbian and she said i don't know. And she actually flirted back. And having a younger brother at 21 doesn't meant she's in her mid to late 20's she could be 22 or 23. And Emily probably in her late 30's to early 40's because we don't know what phase of college she's in when she got pregnant.

I wasn't "excusing" anything, merely stating Mel hasn't exhibited lesbian tendencies while sober. She may just like fooling around when drunk, but doesn't want a lesbian relationship, something you implied Emily and her "would have done a long time ago".

It is also possible for friends to like flirting and there be nothing beyond that. It can boost people's mood and confidence. There is a clear paradigm shift in MC's behaviour towards Brooke when he learns she likes Emily, to the point of it looking more like him wing-manning her than trying to blow her back out. The whole "Mommy Brooke" moniker didn't spring from the community, but what MC calls her himself when he realises she may become his stepmom.

Let me ask you this. For those that has already hooked Emily up with John. What's the point in gaining points with Brooke? And your talking about a 1 time thing that happened 20 years ago in college. And every arc in this story has a LI attached to it Coach and Haley that arc has Nikki or Cara attached to it. and the friendly flirting to boost confidence i don't by that MC doesn't lack confidence and nether does Brooke and your forgetting that she said she didn't know about not being 100% lesbian. And also he was still flirting with her after the lesbian talk we just didn't get any options for flirting. Did you see how hew was still checking her out while she was laying on top of him on the couch?

 

[TonyMurray]

I may be wrong but IMO I don't think there will ever be a Brooke and Emily thing. For one There is flirty options with her and through the mod you can see you can earn points with her. Some will say well you can earn points with Emily but there is a reason for that, Like getting the Motor bike. I think what happens is the more time she spends with MC the more she likes him and eventually falls for him. But Meh, Brookes not that popular enough for the Dev to spend time on putting her with Emily if Dev does anything with her it'll be with MC. I checked out of 1863 pages there's only 30 pages even mentioning Brooke and half of those even mention her being with Emily. Most ppl don't even care if Emily even gets with some one because she's not a Li. Heck out of those 30 pages is the same 10/15 ppl talking about it. I'm not ruling it out completely but i give it a 5% chance it will happen.

I'm not going to go into it because there have been plenty of responses while I was away getting my beauty sleep, but you're doing a fair bit of assuming and speaking for all in this post (and speaking for the dev, too).

 

[byaaahh]

Let me ask you this. For those that has already hooked Emily up with John. What's the point in gaining points with Brooke? And your talking about a 1 time thing that happened 20 years ago in college. And every arc in this story has a LI attached to it Coach and Haley that arc has Nikki or Cara attached to it. and the friendly flirting to boost confidence i don't by that MC doesn't lack confidence and nether does Brooke and your forgetting that she said she didn't know about not being 100% lesbian. And also he was still flirting with her after the lesbian talk we just didn't get any options for flirting. Did you see how hew was still checking her out while she was laying on top of him on the couch?

I don't see why it would matter if Emily had a date with John, one pump and they are tethered for life? It's been confirmed by Nyx a few characters aren't making it to the end. With John on Ethan's radar, I wouldn't be surprised if he goes.

Emily was completely sober (Mel wouldn't allow her to drink) when she initiated on Mel, Sober people don't just fuck people unless there is some attraction there. Then she got married to Andres and has been divorced, we don't know who or what she's been doing since.

Your whole spiel that Emily couldn't possibly get with Brooke because they are both side characters and it would be a waste of time, who's Emily most attached to? Story progression for side characters (which I don't count Emily as, she's his mother ffs) doesn't have to be predicated on "Is someone attached to this character getting pounded by MC?".

 

[MrDude1977]

I don't see why it would matter if Emily had a date with John, one pump and they are tethered for life? It's been confirmed by Nyx a few characters aren't making it to the end. With John on Ethan's radar, I wouldn't be surprised if he goes.

Emily was completely sober (Mel wouldn't allow her to drink) when she initiated on Mel, Sober people don't just fuck people unless there is some attraction there. Then she got married to Andres and has been divorced, we don't know who or what she's been doing since.

Your whole spiel that Emily couldn't possibly get with Brooke because they are both side characters and it would be a waste of time, who's Emily most attached to? Story progression for side characters (which I don't count Emily as, she's his mother ffs) doesn't have to be predicated on "Is someone attached to this character getting pounded by MC?".

I just don't see Dev spending that much time on Side characters. It's uncommon for side characters in vn's to get Li's Much less 2. Because most ppl don't care. evidence is on this site. out of 1864 pages there is only 31 pages which Brook is mentioned 50 about John half of those are not even talking about them as romantic Li just in general. So it shows how un popular that even is so why would Dev even spend time on that? You keep saying emily was sober i also said it was 20 YEARS AGO ONE TIME and hasn't done it since until the pool scene where she was drunk. Yeah and with your theory With John what if. Sounds like your doing a lot of what if with Brooke. But all we going to do here is argue and nether of us are going to win that arguement because it probably won't come to fruitation for another year or 2. You could be right and so can I. But i will say this your making assuptions and i'm taking mine from facts that's already been said and done in the VN. She liked his flirting and she flirted back. and she said she didn't know if she was 100% lesbian those are facts and has been said.

 

[MrDude1977]

I don't see why it would matter if Emily had a date with John, one pump and they are tethered for life? It's been confirmed by Nyx a few characters aren't making it to the end. With John on Ethan's radar, I wouldn't be surprised if he goes.

Emily was completely sober (Mel wouldn't allow her to drink) when she initiated on Mel, Sober people don't just fuck people unless there is some attraction there. Then she got married to Andres and has been divorced, we don't know who or what she's been doing since.

Your whole spiel that Emily couldn't possibly get with Brooke because they are both side characters and it would be a waste of time, who's Emily most attached to? Story progression for side characters (which I don't count Emily as, she's his mother ffs) doesn't have to be predicated on "Is someone attached to this character getting pounded by MC?".

Yes wether you like it are not Emily is a side character and story progression with a side character having one LI is umcommon 2 would be unheard of because majority of players would feel robbed of content because Dev getting side tracked on side characters. PPl want either main story progression or sex scenes. They couldn't care less about story progression with a side character.

 

[Dessolos]

Yes wether you like it are not Emily is a side character and story progression with a side character having one LI is umcommon 2 would be unheard of because majority of players would feel robbed of content because Dev getting side tracked on side characters. PPl want either main story progression or sex scenes. They couldn't care less about story progression with a side character.

there is Side character ( just there for sex mostly) and then there is side characters that have a purpose be story or progression to the point they are kind of in the middle between side and main. I've seen a decent amount of games have the 2nd. I'd say Emily would belong to category 2. Tho she would be the more rare un -romanceable side character

 

[MrDude1977]

I'm not going to go into it because there have been plenty of responses while I was away getting my beauty sleep, but you're doing a fair bit of assuming and speaking for all in this post (and speaking for the dev, too).

If you read my first sentence i said IMO.

 

[MrDude1977]

there is Side character ( just there for sex mostly) and then there is side characters that have a purpose be story or progression to the point they are kind of in the middle between side and main. I've seen a decent amount of games have the 2nd. I'd say Emily would belong to category 2. Tho she would be the more rare un -romanceable side character

There is only 1 MC or unless it is multiple MC which this is not. Your either side character or your main character. Now side characters can be almost as important to the story as the MC but they usually never have Li much less an option for second Devs usually don't go off track to far with side plot that don't involve MC because usually ppl don't care. Somebody was saying i'm making an assuption with saying that but look through this forum of 1864 pages and tell me how important is emily having a Li is.

 

[Dessolos]

There is only 1 MC or unless it is multiple MC which this is not. Your either side character or your main character. Now side characters can be almost as important to the story as the MC but they usually never have Li much less an option for second Devs usually don't go off track to far with side plot that don't involve MC because usually ppl don't care. Somebody was saying i'm making an assuption with saying that but look through this forum of 1864 pages and tell me how important is emily having a Li is.

Well my point still stands there is 2 different categories of side characters, that's all I was saying. There are ones id consider in the middle where they are almost a main or can almost be considered as one / they have alot of plot reasons but not romanceable or just there for sex or .

For me id consider : Valeria , Emily ( even tho she isn't romanceable) , potentially Gabi depending on how her path plays out as side characters that can be in the middle.

The rest are just side's that are there for a fuck or don't have alot of progression

As far as Emily having John being important not really at all. Since there is a way for her to not be with John at all but who knows maybe it could lead to something happening or not happening to John where it becomes important later. It's to hard to say for sure

 

[TonyMurray]

If you read my first sentence i said IMO.

That doesn't change what I said, you're making assumptions and aiming to speak for others when you say "people want this" or "people don't want that". And constantly quoting pagecount in this game thread doesn't mean anything for your argument. There has been so much discussion on main parts of the game and theorising on future developments. That something smaller isn't discussed as much doesn't mean no one is interested in it.

Side characters aren't just irrelevant NPCs, they play an important part in the overall story. Them having interactions with others is natural in terms of the story development and fleshing out the overall game world, making it all feel more real and natural. If it progresses the story, then the dev isn't "wasting time" in working on these parts of the game. I mean, I'm pretty sure the dev knows how to write her story a hell of a lot better than you do. What "usually" happens in other games isn't important. If every dev followed "usually", then there would be no fresh stories out there, as everything would just follow the same pattern.

 

[MrDude1977]

That doesn't change what I said, you're making assumptions and aiming to speak for others when you say "people want this" or "people don't want that". And constantly quoting pagecount in this game thread doesn't mean anything for your argument. There has been so much discussion on main parts of the game and theorising on future developments. That something smaller isn't discussed as much doesn't mean no one is interested in it.

Side characters aren't just irrelevant NPCs, they play an important part in the overall story. Them having interactions with others is natural in terms of the story development and fleshing out the overall game world, making it all feel more real and natural. If it progresses the story, then the dev isn't "wasting time" in working on these parts of the game. I mean, I'm pretty sure the dev knows how to write her story a hell of a lot better than you do. What "usually" happens in other games isn't important. If every dev followed "usually", then there would be no fresh stories out there, as everything would just follow the same pattern.

I agree side characters aren't Irrelevant. They play a major role on how the story flows. Your absolutely right. They help the flow to the main story though, they don't go off on their own story. You say i am going off on assumptions and the page count doesn't matter, But it does show what matters to them and what doesn't. Sure there is some ppl a small % that wanted Emily to have someone and the Dev gave them John and like i said IMO that's it, you got what you wanted i don't see dev going off on 2 different routes like that for a side character when he's got Li for MC that hasn't had that much time like Elena or Val. I'm not completely crossing out Brooke for Emily because she did say she is a lesbian but at the same time the MC did get her to admit she "Does Not Know" if she is 100% lesbian. She did enjoy the MC flirting with her and that she was flirting back. Now wether something comes of it or not none of us actually knows, and we may not know for a long time because of the main story, or way may know in the next 1 to 2 updates if Dev makes her a Li for MC. And also the others i was talking to was throwing their assumptions at me as well and i was just addressing their assumptions. Also i read back on some old posts about Brooke and someone mentioned that the Dev did say there was a path for Brooke as a Li. I usually don't make comments on something unless i've looked it up first and if i go off base with facts i usually let them know if it's my opinion or a fact.

 

[cxx]

If she's a bit over halfway after just 2 months, we could see a new episode by June or July. Maybe I'm an outlier, but I kind of wouldn't mind more frequent but smaller episodes, so I don't have to replay the scenes with Zach again every 10-11 months to refresh my memory.

last update was only 1 day-2 days long update and not that short so if shorter then it'd be max 12 hrs time.

 

[jadepaladin]

I was excited that the thread had so many replies in it until I started reading them. Excitement ruined.

Iirc, the only reason Zach has points is they were tied to the old "evil" route where MC would have the option to side with Ethan. The route got scrapped but not all traces of it are gone.

As for Brooke, game has enough LIs already, Emily can have her. Emily seems like a more viable option than MC anyway, given Brooke's preferences.

 

[Dessolos]

last update was only 1 day-2 days long update and not that short so if shorter then it'd be max 12 hrs time.

don't know where you get this 12 hours from it's confirmed many times the next update is gonna be 1 full day for the MC.