Did you all just realize storytelling and logic writing is not really the strong suit of this AVN ?
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Quetzzz
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I enjoyed the game and its writing. It's entertaining and fun, and even internally consistent... Except for the lewds and everything surrounding that. Which is a very weird thing to say about an AVN
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I think you're the one taking it too seriously....it's an AVN
We're here for the MC to repopulate, not the fight scenesOn the subject of the story I want to talk about one of its problem children specifically Vega. Now Vega gets a lot of deserved hate for what's she's done story wise to the MC for very poorly thought out reasons and then the almost instant forgiveness of these acts by everyone involved. Which is so annoying for me because character concept wise she's right up my alley, but everything she's done makes it hard to like her. What's worse is when i think about it there was a relatively easy way in my opinion to make her a more compelling and understandable character.
By this i believe Vega should have been after the MC not for the use of magic but because she thought he was part of Outer. the reason this made so much more sense to me is Vega is basically the Royal families branch in the underworld info gathering is most likely one of her main duties in this role, as such she should be shown with a high degree of competence, even in the story everyone you talk to is scared of her, but the way she handled the MC made very little sense when you look at it though the magic use perspective. However if you look at it like what if she thought he was a potential threat to the kingdom and Vivi then a lot of things would fall into place so much easier.
1) She suspects him of using magic and had altered his guild card with ancient magic, the head of outer is probably the foremost expert on ancient magic on the continent there could be a connection
2) She knows his story stops and the main city and there is no trace of him before that almost like a criminal with something to hide using a fake identity
3) the spirit contract should not be possible for a human leaning more into the outer leader and ancient magic connection.
And now the one small change i wish had happened to help her character, is after she hears about the spirit contract she gets a tip outer got a big break and are on the move and are planning something big soon and Vega thinks its linked to the spirit contract. This would explain the rash actions the interrogation the hostility, she suspects him of being part of a criminal organization targeting her family rather than he can use magic and she couldn't help herself.
By this i believe Vega should have been after the MC not for the use of magic but because she thought he was part of Outer. the reason this made so much more sense to me is Vega is basically the Royal families branch in the underworld info gathering is most likely one of her main duties in this role, as such she should be shown with a high degree of competence, even in the story everyone you talk to is scared of her, but the way she handled the MC made very little sense when you look at it though the magic use perspective. However if you look at it like what if she thought he was a potential threat to the kingdom and Vivi then a lot of things would fall into place so much easier.
1) She suspects him of using magic and had altered his guild card with ancient magic, the head of outer is probably the foremost expert on ancient magic on the continent there could be a connection
2) She knows his story stops and the main city and there is no trace of him before that almost like a criminal with something to hide using a fake identity
3) the spirit contract should not be possible for a human leaning more into the outer leader and ancient magic connection.
And now the one small change i wish had happened to help her character, is after she hears about the spirit contract she gets a tip outer got a big break and are on the move and are planning something big soon and Vega thinks its linked to the spirit contract. This would explain the rash actions the interrogation the hostility, she suspects him of being part of a criminal organization targeting her family rather than he can use magic and she couldn't help herself.
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The biggest issue, for me, is the "interrogation". She's portrayed as this larger-than-life noble, and we're supposed to believe that she'd lower herself to have sex with a lowly villager as a way of torture.
With all the magic at her disposal, that's what she's going for? The same woman who supposedly wiped out an entire village?
I understand the creative decision that the MC outfucking his rapist is a power fantasy, but it's just the same as with Velera. Except that the framing around Velera being a succubus makes sense. She is an inexperienced predator. Vega, on the other hand, should've exuded class and poise.
Anyone knows how to get rid of the plapping sounds here? It still persist even after a scene.
Maybe it's because I just played through the game first time, but I see no issues logically with Vega and any of the other girls falling for the MC and choosing lewd/sex acts against him. Remember, since the beginning of the game, he has been in possession of the Shard of the Orc Kings Dick, which grants 'strength and endurance' during sex acts. While the Level 2 upgrade to get the x2 to x5 stat boost is the main focus soon after, I think the explanation for the girls going immediately to sex related acts has to do with the base ability of the shard.
It's very obvious how the 'endurance' plays out, but 'strength' is a lot more broad a term and considering it doesn't grant a buff to his 'strength' stats. So how are we to interpret the effect, just that he's better at sex? MC has endurance and a 12 inch python, that's doing all the heavy lifting. It makes more sense then that by 'strength', he basically has a sex aura about himself that conveys 'strength' in sex to those he's interested in. This also aligns to the actions of the various girls he comes across, that as soon as he's interested in them (be it verbally or his internal monologue that we read) they start to get turned on and fall for him. You can also see this narrative visually by blushing or increased blushing as things go along.
Good example is the princess. Dialogue wise we realize he is trying to avoid wooing her the entire time, but also quite attracted by her such that he cannot help his interest from their first meetup. Even with his cold responses after saving her in the dungeon and leaving, she's blushing up a storm so her switch is obviously flipped. Then we see her go to the trouble of bringing Vega back into the narrative to find the MC (which he continues breaking Vega further later due to the opportune proximity), but remains distant to the princess. Then later the MC and princess finally go at it after a full week spent in close proximity. The 'strength' of the shard / aura breaking her down, yet even still a small push from the succubus to push MC is needed.
Within the world and narrative put together for this game, everyone is behaving fairly logical and ordinary in a fantasy setting. It's only the harem girls that get swept into the MC's gaze / aura that behave abnormally. And given the MC has had the shard from almost the very start of the game (and only given it to Vega just recently), it is safe to assume the shard and it's influence is the key. Levelling it up more / getting more shards will likely be the way the narrative will move things forward in terms of world breaking abilities and more elaborate sex acts.
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I mean, some level of suspension of disbelief is necessary, and I think this part of the AVN just doesn't mesh with my style of humor or preference regarding intimacy. The "cheap" first times (drugged LI or needing to charge the artifact) are about the worst motivators to have sex, in my opinion. That the girls fall for the MC easily enforces a power fantasy, but the context around their intimacy feels wrong to me.
Vega cursing the MC as a way of torture and then proceeding to have sex with him doesn't do it for me either. Like I said earlier, she's a fierce noble, so the power fantasy isn't the MC lasting for an hour of intercourse, but her lowering her station and begging for his cock.
What we get is a woman who tricks herself into having sex with the MC (same as Sora) and later rewards him with a mansion to apologize. It just doesn't work for me.
I don't think the shard is giving him that kind of aura, and I sincerely hope it doesn't. I'd rather play an MC who is irresistible than one who has an item that influences women. Ask yourself what is more interesting, having an item that makes women lust after you or having them lust after you because you're a great guy with a fun personality who's also in good shape?
But, I'm not even criticizing that part. What I'm saying is that Reyla's 2nd chance while camping at the lake is much more my style of intimacy than her getting fucked for the first time because she stepped on a mushroom. At the lake, she wants it and expresses an active interest. When she's drugged, it's more about not minding that it's him and that it's a necessity to survive. A big difference.
The same goes for Fraya. I call it a cheap first time because it is, in a sense, thrown away. The narrative makes sure that we know she's pure but then does nothing with it. She needs no convincing; she doesn't even remark, "This isn't how I imagined having my first". If Rayla were experienced or even promiscuous, then her being in that situation and quickly deciding to have sex would make more sense.
Here as well, the power fantasy doesn't work because external factors push them toward sex; it's not the LI who desperately wants to be with him.
Let's disregard the shard and just say that the princess becomes more infatuated with the MC for whatever reason.
The MC needed a push because he put the princess on a pedestal, was conflicted about politics, and did the typical man-thing of not reading signals.
This scene works better for me when I tell her to leave the room and she admits to wanting it desperately. But again, using Vel's powers here is cheap. It's lazy writing, in a way. Yet again, we need an external factor to get to intimacy. If it wasn't for Reyla's 2nd chance, I would think the dev just doesn't know how to write seduction and erotic tension.
And Vega... I just wished sex scenes with her weren't mandatory after the first one. I'm not into the huge ass/huge tits thing, so the MC lusting after her because boobs is just alienating. I don't think she has really redeemed herself either. And pranking her after she touches the shard the first time by sending her home to be horny for a week would've been funny and a lighthearted way to get even. The game is already playing fast and loose with the charges the artifact contains, so letting players avoid scenes wouldn't be a narrative issue, I think.
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I wrote an unlocker and did some basic testing.
All items were unlocked after I deleted my persistent and loaded a save.
Can you give it a try?
Just save it in your game folder and relaunch the game. This unlocker should keep working for all future scenes and characters, as long as the dev keeps the data structure the same.
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The game was ok,until we met Vega.A total disappointment after that.I wish the MC had the balls to slap or refuse to talk to some characters at all