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Jah-Ith-Ber

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Very interesting.

I've held off on this game for so long it keeps popping up with high reviews but I normally don't like "game within a game" type novels because it makes your choices feel completely unimportant but I thoroughly enjoyed act 1 and while act 2 is a little jarring as long as it sort of gets back to reality soon like author has mentioned I'm definitely intrigued. It takes a neat approach and I'm interested to see how much MC's choices actually affect things. Just hope it doesn't get too 4th wall breaking.

Natalie is awesome. Cuckquean, Dd/Lg, breeding - she just freaking encapsulates so many of my favorite fetishes :love:
 
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vlastislav

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I agree with poster above I enjoyed reading game more than I thought. I will go back now and read Tolstoy and think of simulation. Good Work DigiDec. But I also thinking grandfather must be Jackie Chan.
 
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DigiDec

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I disliked my experience playing this game.

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Why make a fantasy VR setting only to turn it into a prison of the mind nightmare. How is that hot?! When can we start winning?
Sorry you didn't like it.

I've been pretty open about how linear the game is, part of the wanky self-indulgent meta conversation with Qai was addressing that. Telling a story through a game is a tricky balance and different AVNs fall at different points along that line, this one lands pretty deep in the 'linear story' quadrant.

The femdom vibes aren't an intentional decision. I suppose I could've made some of those characters male but then there'd be less ladies for the MC to do weird sex stuff with.

And I could've made a game where the MC is in control of Qai from the jump and uses it to corrupt/romance all the women in his life. There are a lot of games like that though so I wanted to do something a little bit different.

I was having a conversation a week or two ago on a different site about how I've come to realize that AVNs more often offer a power fantasy (with sex scenes) than an erotic/sexual fantasy. That's not a criticism, it describes some of my favorite AVNS, but it's probably not a good way to describe this game. But it's kind of an irrelevant distinction if you didn't enjoy the sex scenes in this game.

Again, sorry you didn't like the game and thanks for not being a dick about it. :LOL:
 

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And I could've made a game where the MC is in control of Qai from the jump and uses it to corrupt/romance all the women in his life. There are a lot of games like that though so I wanted to do something a little bit different.
No hard feelings, it just isn't for me. Though rogue/out-of-control AI is a pretty commonly used trope as well so I'm not sure this qualifies as that different. :unsure:
 
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DigiDec

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No hard feelings, it just isn't for me. Though rogue/out-of-control AI is a pretty commonly used trope as well so I'm not sure this qualifies as that different. :unsure:
I don't know what you mean, everything in this game is a 100% original idea that has never been addressed in any form by any other media.
 
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gregers

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I was having a conversation a week or two ago on a different site about how I've come to realize that AVNs more often offer a power fantasy (with sex scenes) than an erotic/sexual fantasy. That's not a criticism, it describes some of my favorite AVNS, but it's probably not a good way to describe this game.
Yeah, that's one way to look at it. Or conversely: This game is unusual in being for large swathes a powerlessness fantasy (with sex scenes), which is certainly not common in the genre, outside of games centered explicitly around powerlessness as part of a kink (your femdom (and maledom) with MC as a sub, cuckoldry, NTR, race fetish games etc.).

The game doesn't occupy that same kink space but it has similarities in the MC so far being apparently powerless to stop or affect anything that happens (not that he ever bothers to try, but we've had that discussion before). That may be part of the reason it reads as femdom-adjacent to some players.
 
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Why make a fantasy VR setting only to turn it into a prison of the mind nightmare. How is that hot?! When can we start winning?
Yes, the dev is aware of this but still pushing towards it. Hence i said the actual villain in this game is DigiDec.
Probably one of the Meta ending, we will see DegiDec sitting in the Matrix Architect Table and looking at MC's reality as a part of one the many Simulated reality. Qai is aware of this but cant fight her code. SIMCeption.

*Note: Everything written above is bullshit. I'm just here to pokefun at the dev for making us endure the long AI philosophy monologue.
 

Molch1211

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I like the game and the style but there are so many renders where I cant read the text because its white letters on a white background. Am I blind or is there no option for a textbox as background?
 
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I was having a conversation a week or two ago on a different site about how I've come to realize that AVNs more often offer a power fantasy (with sex scenes) than an erotic/sexual fantasy. That's not a criticism, it describes some of my favorite AVNS, but it's probably not a good way to describe this game. But it's kind of an irrelevant distinction if you didn't enjoy the sex scenes in this game.
Well this makes sense if you see AVNs more as games than novels, which I think most do. (With Kinetic Novels being more on the novel side obviously.) I'd argue (most?) games where the player takes his character through the story/scenario are inherently power fantasies. The player becomes the hero of the story defeating the villian/saving the world/solving the mystery/{instert whatever goal the game presents}/...

I've thought about how I would minimalisticly define a game and came up with the following:

1. A Scenario presented to the player(s)
2. A set of actions for the player(s) to choose from
3. A win condition

(The last one isn't completely necessary and some games don't actually have a set win condition and let the player decide for themselves when they "won" the game [Dwarf Fortress / Crusader Kings /Any Sports-Team-Manager])

Given that I think there is a certain expectation of players coming in and playing an AVN:
A game where the MC they play is the "Hero" and they are given some agency to try and reach the "good" ending. And some sex along the way. (Or at least feel like they have some agency)

With all that said I'd agree with you that your game is (currently?) more on the novel side which seems to clash with some players expectations.
 
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Yes, the dev is aware of this but still pushing towards it. Hence i said the actual villain in this game is DigiDec.
Probably one of the Meta ending, we will see DegiDec sitting in the Matrix Architect Table and looking at MC's reality as a part of one the many Simulated reality. Qai is aware of this but cant fight her code. SIMCeption.

*Note: Everything written above is bullshit. I'm just here to pokefun at the dev for making us endure the long AI philosophy monologue.
Digi being the villian to me was totally obvious the moment he ended the scene with Izzy, her dom and the pony before it even began :)

That was a tough one.

Nevertheless this is still an excellent VN with great art, interesting story and the feeling that something totally unexpected can happen every Moment.

Together with DiscipleofVirginia one of the craziest dev I have seen here so far.

I really look forward to the next update!
 
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DigiDec

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Yeah, that's one way to look at it. Or conversely: This game is unusual in being for large swathes a powerlessness fantasy (with sex scenes), which is certainly not common in the genre, outside of games centered explicitly around powerlessness as part of a kink (your femdom (and maledom) with MC as a sub, cuckoldry, NTR, race fetish games etc.).

The game doesn't occupy that same kink space but it has similarities in the MC so far being apparently powerless to stop or affect anything that happens (not that he ever bothers to try, but we've had that discussion before). That may be part of the reason it reads as femdom-adjacent to some players.
I can see this. I'm not attempting to rub the player's nose in it as much as it's just the premise/setup for the story. Pretty much every character aware of the magic macguffin saw it as something they could use but in the end (of Act 1) it turns out that everyone is getting fucked by it because it was more of a Pandora's box scenario.

Yes, the dev is aware of this but still pushing towards it. Hence i said the actual villain in this game is DigiDec.
Probably one of the Meta ending, we will see DegiDec sitting in the Matrix Architect Table and looking at MC's reality as a part of one the many Simulated reality. Qai is aware of this but cant fight her code. SIMCeption.

*Note: Everything written above is bullshit. I'm just here to pokefun at the dev for making us endure the long AI philosophy monologue.
MC will beat the 'game', and just as he goes to claim the prize the screen will cut to Rick Astley.

Well this makes sense if you see AVNs more as games than novels, which I think most do. (With Kinetic Novels being more on the novel side obviously.) I'd argue (most?) games where the player takes his character through the story/scenario are inherently power fantasies. The player becomes the hero of the story defeating the villian/saving the world/solving the mystery/{instert whatever goal the game presents}/...

I've thought about how I would minimalisticly define a game and came up with the following:

1. A Scenario presented to the player(s)
2. A set of actions for the player(s) to choose from
3. A win condition

(The last one isn't completely necessary and some games don't actually have a set win condition and let the player decide for themselves when they "won" the game [Dwarf Fortress / Crusader Kings /Any Sports-Team-Manager])

Given that I think there is a certain expectation of players coming in and playing an AVN:
A game where the MC they play is the "Hero" and they are given some agency to try and reach the "good" ending. And some sex along the way. (Or at least feel like they have some agency)

With all that said I'd agree with you that your game is (currently?) more on the novel side which seems to clash with some players expectations.
This is a pretty good way to frame it. Part of the conversations with Qai, and some of the narration/vibes during Hanna and Candi's sim scenes, were kind of touching on the subject.

For the record, Qai is making very cynical arguments but being cynical doesn't make you correct.

I don't really want to make this conversation about other AVNs but I'm going to name drop a few (that I think are very well made and don't really have anything negative to say about) just give some reference points. And obviously there are exceptions.

Most of the bigger, more popular, AVNs don't really have anything resembling winning vs. losing. Something like Strangers on Paper gives you choices and there are consequences but (unless the game takes a turn that I'm not aware of) the MC isn't really going to lose, or win. Games like Race of Life or Being a DIK have some minigame type things and you can win/lose those but I don't think either game is steering towards a potential 'bad end' or gameover situation.

Which was sort of what some of the conversation about Candi's sim was addressing.
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And for what it's worth, I don't plan on having any 'bad end' situations either. The decision points for the final outcome will (hopefully) be clear enough that you'll get the end result you want (or at least the closest option available).
 
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DigiDec

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I like the game and the style but there are so many renders where I cant read the text because its white letters on a white background. Am I blind or is there no option for a textbox as background?
Sorry, I'm pretty sure I actually killed the textbox when I was trying out the 'no textbox' look and then forgot to put it back in. I'm probably going to have a new build pretty soon after I try to unfuck the android version/package the game better for itch and I'll add it back in.
 

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She's the blonde girl wearing the pink sweater in the banner gif, but her appearance changes some throughout the game.
Thanks for your reply i saw that she has become a bimbo could you please show me a pic? as a bimbo
 
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