QSP Jack-o-Nine-Tails [v2.3] [ImperatorAugustusTertius / qwertyu12359]

[ImperatorAugustusTertius]

Any advice to get people to open up to sexual skills? Trying to get to licking then blowjob but seem to just resist and punishment doesn't work. Assuming I raise sexual fustration with vagina beads?

Wait until she is D- (positive obedience) before starting with sex, unless you choose to rape her. You can also try your luck in active sex as she might be more open if you can get her interested (or if you can get her to let you tie her up, you can have your way with her... whether she likes it or not). Raising her arousal (especially to the max) will lower her obedience thresholds for sexual activities but many will still be refused until she is either very afraid or starts becoming devoted. Acts that are more intimate or deviant have higher thresholds. Petting skills for the master are worth prioritizing once you have solved the strength problem.

Common skills first, then sex. The slaver is the only one who can teach most sexual skills, so that's his primary job as a trainer. Conveniently, teaching sex skills also generates lots of merit from the slave and has many benefits for the slaver.

Edit to add: slaver's allure is important for sex training. Invest in better hygiene and clothing and get a shave and haircut every decade or two.

 

[Sonsuka]

Wait until she is D- (positive obedience) before starting with sex, unless you choose to rape her. You can also try your luck in active sex as she might be more open if you can get her interested (or if you can get her to let you tie her up, you can have your way with her... whether she likes it or not). Raising her arousal (especially to the max) will lower her obedience thresholds for sexual activities but many will still be refused until she is either very afraid or starts becoming devoted. Acts that are more intimate or deviant have higher thresholds. Petting skills for the master are worth prioritizing once you have solved the strength problem.

Common skills first, then sex. The slaver is the only one who can teach most sexual skills, so that's his primary job as a trainer. Conveniently, teaching sex skills also generates lots of merit from the slave and has many benefits for the slaver.

Edit to add: slaver's allure is important for sex training. Invest in better hygiene and clothing and get a shave and haircut every decade or two.

Makes sense thanks.

Also for gladiatrix D+ contract shouldnt it just be D+ for Gladiatrix, Nature, Temperament and Endurance. I think I'm hitting above D+ so am I missing something or misunderstanding

 

[ImperatorAugustusTertius]

Makes sense thanks.

Also for gladiatrix D+ shouldnt it just be D+ for Gladiatrix, Nature, Temperament and Endurance. I think I'm hitting above D+ so am I missing something or misunderstanding

To qualify for the gladiatrix specialization requires at least B+ in endurance, temperament, nature, endurance, and gladiatrix skill. In general, specializations require minimum B+ thresholds. The slave's overall rating is D+ because they aren't well rounded or obedient or beautiful/famous enough to rank higher.

Winning arena battles (or sparring or training in the skill) raises nature [and temperament*] so she will get there through continued practice. (* gladiatrix lessons only raise nature, but lots of other things raise temperament.)

 

[Sonsuka]

To qualify for the gladiatrix specialization requires at least B+ in endurance, temperament, nature, endurance, and gladiatrix skill. In general, specializations require minimum B+ thresholds. The slave's overall rating is D+ because they aren't well rounded or obedient or beautiful/famous enough to rank higher. Winning arena battles (or sparring or training in the skill) raises nature and temperament so she will get there through continued practice.

Oh so even if the slave requirement for contract is D+ the gladiatrix still needs to have B+ in all those stats. Any advice with nature and temperament?

 

[ImperatorAugustusTertius]

Oh so even if the slave requirement for contract is D+ the gladiatrix still needs to have B+ in all those stats. Any advice with nature and temperament?

Right. Difference between overall rating (D+) and specialization (B+ or better for specific skills / attributes). If the contract wants an A+ gladiatrix then her specialization needs to be A+ level too.

 

[Sonsuka]

Right. Difference between overall rating (D+) and specialization (B+ or better for specific skills / attributes). If the contract wants an A+ gladiatrix then her specialization needs to be A+ level too.

Got it. I've also had troubles with maintaining obedience and spoiling. For some reason I'm getting spoiling orb when I didn't even reward that day and I can't seem to maintain the obedience at 6 it just spikes to 2 randomly.

 

[ImperatorAugustusTertius]

Got it. I've also had troubles with maintaining obedience and spoiling. For some reason I'm getting spoiling orb when I didn't even reward that day and I can't seem to maintain the obedience at 6 it just spikes to 2 randomly.

What are her rules? Is she spoiling overnight or after something you did during the day? Too many rewards on previous day will raise spoiling the next. Tutorial recommends limiting rewards and punishments to 2x/day. Let some merit accumulate and don't feel obliged to immediately punish either.

 

[Sonsuka]

What are her rules? Is she spoiling overnight or after something you did during the day? Too many rewards on previous day will raise spoiling the next. Tutorial recommends limiting rewards and punishments to 2x/day. Let some merit accumulate and don't feel obliged to immediately punish either.

She was on humility, silence, deny orgasm, no masturbation, beads, act as cook and maid. i guess maybe I was using too many rewards? I guess at D- or D+ i should just ignore reward 1?

Also strength, does it eventually go up. At apartment and have sex and eat 3 spark meal and its never changed

 

[ImperatorAugustusTertius]

She was on humility, silence, deny orgasm, no masturbation, beads, act as cook and maid. i guess maybe I was using too many rewards? I guess at D- or D+ i should just ignore reward 1?

Also strength, does it eventually go up. At apartment and have sex and eat 3 spark meal and its never changed

Rules are fine. I meant: What is her diet? Sleeping condition? Giving her perks before she is devoted can spoil her.

Look at the slaver’s diary for complaints about food. If none, diet is adequate to maintain strength so it’s just a matter of time as long as you don’t spend too much energy, get sick, get injured, overuse drugs, etc.

 

[Sonsuka]

Rules are fine. I meant: What is her diet? Sleeping condition? Giving her perks before she is devoted can spoil her.

Look at the slaver’s diary for complaints about food. If none, diet is adequate to maintain strength so it’s just a matter of time as long as you don’t spend too much energy, get sick, get injured, overuse drugs, etc.

Yah I just did another fight at colla and went from lot of obedience to instant 1 rebellion D+ to F-

 

[ImperatorAugustusTertius]

Yah I just did another fight at colla and went from lot of obedience to instant 1 rebellion D+ to F-

Do you have a save from before?

 

[Sonsuka]

Do you have a save from before?

Lost it in the quicksave, but I'll see if I can reproduce it. A moment

 

[Sonsuka]

Hmm weird. I tried it again from a save couple day back and it seems that it doesn't have an issue this time. I'm mainly just having trouble raising nature and Temperment both stuck at C really.

 

[Sonsuka]

Anyone have advice for first 6-9 rebellion orbs. I can't find an efficient way to deal with it on first couple of days of training without spiraling them into depression. Even when I get them to 1 orb of obedience they usually just titter around there and go donwards there. I set the rules and enforce them, but I can't see to get them to stick. Do I just never give rewards or something? I'm unsure what to do when it gets to 7-8 as I can't teach as they refuse then I punish then they complain and spiral into depression.

 

[ImperatorAugustusTertius]

Anyone have advice for first 6-9 rebellion orbs. I can't find an efficient way to deal with it on first couple of days of training without spiraling them into depression. Even when I get them to 1 orb of obedience they usually just titter around there and go donwards there. I set the rules and enforce them, but I can't see to get them to stick. Do I just never give rewards or something? I'm unsure what to do when it gets to 7-8 as I can't teach as they refuse then I punish then they complain and spiral into depression.

Did you follow this advice? https://f95zone.to/threads/jack-o-n...tsman-community-development.390/post-13345670

 

[ImperatorAugustusTertius]

Hmm weird. I tried it again from a save couple day back and it seems that it doesn't have an issue this time. I'm mainly just having trouble raising nature and Temperment both stuck at C really.

Did you see the second part of what I wrote here? https://f95zone.to/threads/jack-o-n...tsman-community-development.390/post-13345991

When she dropped from D+ to F- after a battle, you said she went to “1 rebellion” — did you mean “1 thorn” in her auspex aura reading?

 

[RomanticBifrost]

my slave loses his mood when my assistant prepares food, should it be like this?

Edit: ok, it's some kind of bug, to reproduce
load my save, step 1: "Bathe" (mood C+ is expected to change to mood B+)
step 2: "End of the day" (mood continues in B+?)
step 3: "Isabella, prepare dinner" (mood changes to B-)

 

[ImperatorAugustusTertius]

my slave loses his mood when my assistant prepares food, should it be like this?

Edit: ok, it's some kind of bug, to reproduce
load my save, step 1: "Bathe" (mood C+ is expected to change to mood B+)
step 2: "End of the day" (mood continues in B+?)
step 3: "Isabella, prepare dinner" (mood changes to B-)

Thanks for the save. The slave has an undiscovered trait that impacts her mood but it did not show until the next update. You're right, it's a bug.

Should be fixed if you re-download latest dev build.

 

[Sonsuka]

Did you see the second part of what I wrote here? https://f95zone.to/threads/jack-o-n...tsman-community-development.390/post-13345991

When she dropped from D+ to F- after a battle, you said she went to “1 rebellion” — did you mean “1 thorn” in her auspex aura reading?

Yah I did see that part, weirdly enough her temp and nature didn't change like from a D to C kinda change, none of her stats did really so I was super confused. Also yes 1 thorn sorry the first line.

 

[Sonsuka]

Did you follow this advice? https://f95zone.to/threads/jack-o-n...tsman-community-development.390/post-13345670

If she is feeling guilty then she's expecting to be punished, and you need to deal with that, but take a pause to consider what you asked her to do. You can choose to give her tasks that she won't/can't refuse. Like sending her to school or hiring tutors or taking her to the arena.

The first two levels of positive mood each raise obedience by one point, and once you get into a "countable" amount of disobedience (which usually happens after 1 point of fear unless she has very high attributes) those points make a difference between F- and D- or better outcomes from school/tutor lessons and whether she will refuse personal lessons or activities at home. Her mood also makes a big difference for lessons when she is more obedient.

If she isn't refusing what you are having her do, then her obedience isn't the issue, it's her motivation. Mood is very important for motivation, and clothing bonuses also help a lot. If she has a trait that aligns with some activity then doing that will improve her mood and she will perform better, so try different things to see what works. Variety of activities also produces more merit for you to reward, raising her awareness and mood among other benefits.

If you get stuck and her obedience isn't going up quickly, it can be beneficial to allow a slave to become slightly spoiled. They will feel more merit and you can therefore give larger rewards without raising her spoil level above the first tier. Those larger rewards can include taking her on dates which, if successful, will eventually raise her devotion. It's an alternative to reaching positive obedience through fear. More expensive, and potentially slower, but if the slaver is weaker than the slave or there are other factors making it hard to build up her fear then it's a viable approach.

I attempted to try following it I believe, tell me if I am interpreting it wrong though.
First two levels of positive mood I assume are calm and Hopeful.
I spend first 3 days raising mood and explaining position, from there she's at 7-9 rebellion orbs currently lets say.
If I try to teach her she will refuse of course. So from here I assume I punish, I do verbal 1. I assume whenever she is guility I should punish as long as its reasonable? But how many times should I do it, everytime she refuses or if she refuses or does poorly bunch of times then I do it at end of each time she refuess/does poorly? I guess I'm mainly confused on when should I punish, specifically do I do it everytime she she is guilty or only once at end of day and trying multiple attempts?

Since I don't have many ways to raise her motivation I assume its just bathing, encouraging doesn't do anything currently at low level obedience, and SPA. I shouldn't be rewarding if she refuses as that results in spoiling I assume or maybe this is harsh mental lol. I usually give sundress, leather collar and shackle, I have no idea what crown of thorn does so not touching it currently. So how exactly do I raise her mood to Hopeful or optimistic and get her to do stuff when she's at 7-9 nine sharp thorn of rebellion, should I be sending her to a tutor/school and then rewarding her when she does well I assume? Then spam spa?

Also when should I assume its natural of her and when its a 1 reward just not reward as it should be expected of her, when she has devotion orbs or something?

I'll keep this above but

Edit: somehow i legit never used tutor on day 2-3 on rebellion 7-9? idk if maybe slave is just good but im getting A to S on the trial with optimisticmood and its going rather well on a restart.