ToreLore99
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who is the artist from your signature my friend?For a project thats taking years, absolutely
who is the artist from your signature my friend?For a project thats taking years, absolutely
There's a famous John Cleese story from when he was on the set of Monty Python's Holy Grail where they were waiting on filming a scene while the crew tried to get a fog machine to work. After a long period of waiting Cleese finally blurted out, "Is the fog funny!?", pointing out that the whole production was getting tied up in something that actually didn't have any real impact on the overall goal - making a funny movie.I do gotta say, it's amazing how he managed to destroy all the good faith people had on him with this, eh. No easy task at all, specially when everyone was praising him for being a good animator that could pump up 5 minutes shorts between working on big projects.
What's really funny about this, is that if MW3 focus more on the story and there's barely any sex, because he wants to write a good and compeling history and blah blah blah... He still gonna lose to some dude that installed sex mods on The Sims and used Adobe Premiere to add subtitles to make it a incest story AND STILL managed to make the sex part most of the runtime of the video
Like Jacko, please understand that people love your ideas and hot characters, not the story part xD
Jack is suffering from one of the main 3 things that an artist that made it big can suffer:There's a famous John Cleese story from when he was on the set of Monty Python's Holy Grail where they were waiting on filming a scene while the crew tried to get a fog machine to work. After a long period of waiting Cleese finally blurted out, "Is the fog funny!?", pointing out that the whole production was getting tied up in something that actually didn't have any real impact on the overall goal - making a funny movie.
That's how I feel about MW3, the production seems so far off base from just simply making a hot porn animation and no one is there to really question if these decisions, like waiting for a custom orchestral score, actually have any meaningful impact on the final product's goal. This obsession with ensuring all the drama and depressed gravitas hits right in this incest story about a semi-mute asshole who date r*apes his mom in the first episode because he can't jerk off is absolutely insane and it feels completely at odds with the fun, campy shorts that made Jackerman popular in the first place.
Stepmom getting stuck is such a "biggest piece of dogshit" idea, so uncreative (should've played MC in creative mode atp). Camera angles so bad, you could almost turn your screen off for the same experience. Character designs... ...oof. I agree with the music, but some story plot doesnt hurt (well if it doesnt use up 3/4 of the video)Jack is suffering from one of the main 3 things that an artist that made it big can suffer:
1) They become perfectionist, unable to accept any mistake, even little ones, which makes them redoo entire secuences from scratch, making a project that was supposed to come out quickly, a eternal wait (Looking at you PerfectDeadBeat)
2) They get cocky and waaay too up on their own asses, promising amazing things for their next project and asking for more support to be able to do it. "Bro, i just need to hit this amount so i can buy this new thing that will help me make the project", only to quickly find out that they can't deliver what they promised, so it becomes a loong game of avoiding work and shitty WIPs, but no actual delivery (Miro from Affect3D, please stand up to defend yourself)
3) And what's affecting Jack, thinking that you're a genious of your craft, which you're, but not for the reasons you think. No one watches porn for the story or the music, they watch it for the premice of it. People watch a stepmom getting stuck just because it's a pretty hot idea, they don't give a shit about how she got stuck or why.
And the worst thing, is that all of those 3 things start after they have surpassed what i call the "Subscribers Threshold", that it's when they reach a certain amount of Patreons, donors, etc. that even if people get angry at them and stop supporting them, they still gonna have enough of them to continue the way they're doing. And this makes a self-critique very hard or impossible![]()
I just threw that as an example, cause it's one of the most used ideas on porn x'DStepmom getting stuck is such a "biggest piece of dogshit" idea, so uncreative (should've played MC in creative mode atp). Camera angles so bad, you could almost turn your screen off for the same experience. Character designs... ...oof. I agree with the music, but some story plot doesnt hurt (well if it doesnt use up 3/4 of the video)
Artists redoing a whole scene because of a small inconvenience are already a red flag. People who can't deliver at deadline xyz - red flag. Taking years for a small vid - red flag
Bro i garantee you that 90% of people here used to support him at some point, but got tired of his BS, the other 10% still support him but just to post here minutes after the release, i do believe that the hate he gets is disproportionate, but there's historyand how much did you contribute to his work? he owes you more?
Exactly, I agree with your words, but I don't think the hate he receives is disproportionate, because he has been lying to everyone about MW3 for years, acting in a totally disrespectful way towards his fans, so in my opinion he is just reaping what he sowed.Bro i garantee you that 90% of people here used to support him at some point, but got tired of his BS, the other 10% still support him but just to post here minutes after the release, i do believe that the hate he gets is disproportionate, but there's history
To be fair story does matter a pretty big minority amount. Especially when you are crafting a narrative driven game / story. Some of the best games or VNs on this site specifically do both good scenes and good narrative. Even some of the best short animations I'd say have some kind of a premise of a narrative. Or atleast a unique enough one thats applicable to the plot in more than just a "hehe step mom sucky and fucky".Jack is suffering from one of the main 3 things that an artist that made it big can suffer:
1) They become perfectionist, unable to accept any mistake, even little ones, which makes them redoo entire secuences from scratch, making a project that was supposed to come out quickly, a eternal wait (Looking at you PerfectDeadBeat)
2) They get cocky and waaay too up on their own asses, promising amazing things for their next project and asking for more support to be able to do it. "Bro, i just need to hit this amount so i can buy this new thing that will help me make the project", only to quickly find out that they can't deliver what they promised, so it becomes a loong game of avoiding work and shitty WIPs, but no actual delivery (Miro from Affect3D, please stand up to defend yourself)
3) And what's affecting Jack, thinking that you're a genious of your craft, which you're, but not for the reasons you think. No one watches porn for the story or the music, they watch it for the premice of it. People watch a stepmom getting stuck just because it's a pretty hot idea, they don't give a shit about how she got stuck or why.
And the worst thing, is that all of those 3 things start after they have surpassed what i call the "Subscribers Threshold", that it's when they reach a certain amount of Patreons, donors, etc. that even if people get angry at them and stop supporting them, they still gonna have enough of them to continue the way they're doing. And this makes a self-critique very hard or impossible![]()
Well, I think the big difference is that the shorts' story moments are a good ratio to the actual sex action and the tone is light and campy. MW is the opposite - long and dower - which makes the story a chore to sit through in a porn animation. Not saying you can't have a serious plot for adult content but again, the premise here is about as ridiculous as any short idea, the difference is that MW takes itself completely seriously which is... a strange choice. Suddenly non-con scenes go from slightly comedic to all the way off-putting, moral degradation goes from being self-aware to depressingly grim, so imo that's why the story in MW is that much more of a "why the fuck did we wait 3 years for this" kind of thing. Where did all the fun go? Everyone in MW is unhappy, every scene is far more grey and dark than any monthly animation, it all has the lively atmosphere of coming home from a funeral. Give the same runtime to Selina, or Jenny, or Serena, or Natalia, or Yana, etc that MW has received and compare how a story scene would feel then - it would be night and day.To be fair story does matter a pretty big minority amount. Especially when you are crafting a narrative driven game / story. Some of the best games or VNs on this site specifically do both good scenes and good narrative. Even some of the best short animations I'd say have some kind of a premise of a narrative. Or atleast a unique enough one thats applicable to the plot in more than just a "hehe step mom sucky and fucky".
Jacker however makes not just generic, but completely dumb story narratives that then take up a majority of the time in these shorts, films, etc etc. While acting like its an integral part of why people watch this stuff. No dude. People like your animations. If you wanted to write narratives, you probably should have stuck with game VN format then. Or atleast take the 6 figure income and hire someone to do storyboard game writing/coding on the side while you focus on the animations and visuals. They try to have it both ways, while fucking it up both ways. Making story heavy content that then takes a million years to release, while also being shit stories.
Also add that the amount of sex in MW is... almost the same as in a short?Well, I think the big difference is that the shorts' story moments are a good ratio to the actual sex action and the tone is light and campy. MW is the opposite - long and dower - which makes the story a chore to sit through in a porn animation. Not saying you can't have a serious plot for adult content but again, the premise here is about as ridiculous as any short idea, the difference is that MW takes itself completely seriously which is... a strange choice. Suddenly non-con scenes go from slightly comedic to all the way off-putting, moral degradation goes from being self-aware to depressingly grim, so imo that's why the story in MW is that much more of a "why the fuck did we wait 3 years for this" kind of thing. Where did all the fun go? Everyone in MW is unhappy, every scene is far more grey and dark than any monthly animation, it all has the lively atmosphere of coming home from a funeral. Give the same runtime to Selina, or Jenny, or Serena, or Natalia, or Yana, etc that MW has received and compare how a story scene would feel then - it would be night and day.
That's a really good point lmao.Also add that the amount of sex in MW is... almost the same as in a short?
Like MW2 was almost 20 minutes long, yet the entire sex was just a blowjob, i think a tittyfuck, and the most boring doggystyle and misionary... barely any difference from what you would get on a 4 minute short from him. And maybe the scenes last longer, but with such little diversity of sex positions, in my head it just runs like a normal short lmao
If MW3 also has the same problem... God save his ass, cause they're gonna fucking murder him![]()
Easy, actual incest plots on porn aren't legally allowed, that's why they always do the step-mother/father thing, so when someone uploads a long incest animation, with good quality and a hot milf, everyone comes like flies. That's why they had to lock this thread during some time, cause of the field battles between incest and bestiality fans x'DThat's a really good point lmao.
Unfortunately, I think a lot of the remaining fanbase supporting Jackerman through this Duke Nukem Forever sysiphean albatross of a project are in sunk cost fallacy territory. They've waited too long and hyped too much to ever see MW3 as anything but a huge success. Meanwhile I'm sitting here wondering how people got hyped about this story to begin with...
But It's only good when theyre blood relatedEasy, actual incest plots on porn aren't legally allowed, that's why they always do the step-mother/father thing, so when someone uploads a long incest animation, with good quality and a hot milf, everyone comes like flies. That's why they had to lock this thread during some time, cause of the field battles between incest and bestiality fans x'D
I think for animated videos the story is crucial...at least for me. I think the problem is when the story is no longer balanced with the actual...well...sex. LOL. This still is porn...and what many don't want to see is a 20 minute video drag on about one thing or another only to get like a 30 second sex scene at the end. When done well...the actual sex moves the story along...that is the beauty of a "post-fuck" scene because you get to see the consequences of what just happened. Something as simple as the standard "6 Months Later...." trope works and adds a level of depth to a scene that was not there before.Well, I think the big difference is that the shorts' story moments are a good ratio to the actual sex action and the tone is light and campy. MW is the opposite - long and dower - which makes the story a chore to sit through in a porn animation. Not saying you can't have a serious plot for adult content but again, the premise here is about as ridiculous as any short idea, the difference is that MW takes itself completely seriously which is... a strange choice. Suddenly non-con scenes go from slightly comedic to all the way off-putting, moral degradation goes from being self-aware to depressingly grim, so imo that's why the story in MW is that much more of a "why the fuck did we wait 3 years for this" kind of thing. Where did all the fun go? Everyone in MW is unhappy, every scene is far more grey and dark than any monthly animation, it all has the lively atmosphere of coming home from a funeral. Give the same runtime to Selina, or Jenny, or Serena, or Natalia, or Yana, etc that MW has received and compare how a story scene would feel then - it would be night and day.
Meh...everyone has opinions/kinks but stories don't need to be always vulgar and fast paced. Maybe for you that is the case but not everyone wants that.Story in porn should be vulgar, fast-paced and well-executed (not like those retarded mainstream-porn tropes that can never be acted out in a sexy way, like "step-sister is stuck in a washing machine" and alike). When porn has an actual story - it loses a lot of the porn appeal, which can be alright if the story itself is good enough to work even without the porn (like Rance game series), but that's not gonna be the case here, obviously.
My prediction: this project will flop, and Jackerman will either be very salty about people "not getting it", or will stop his attempts at being something more than a porn-artist, and start pumping out the most perverted stuff imaginable with little to no story (like his first dog works), from that point on.