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but her drawings are much more time consuming then rendering prefabricated 3d models from daz3d shop, right?
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i don't think so,but the
n again i have no idea how rendering goes,but i know drawing doesn't take that much time,i could be wrong tho
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Depends on the workload. Her first game Good Girl Gone Bad use static cardboard drawings as layers on front of real background pictures. Probably the cheapest and fastest way to produce content. In Our Red String she shows a massive improvement in her drawing skills, but still use the cheap cardboard trick to produce her images.
If you compare Our Red String with JOHN you will see that Stoper place the character into the environment not as layers. This, in combination with lights, gives the depth in renders. Characters, objects and other things don't seem to look out of space or out of focus.
Be it drawings or 3d, both have their advantages and disadvantages. Drawings are really popular in East-Asia (check Korean website webtoon or the adult version of it) where 3d is more popular in the West.
tbh...i was also initially not sure of 2d art visual novel genre, but it now one of my all time fav game. The only game where i felt we can be between good and bad without being the extreme end of both scenarios. Lots of different types of contents which you can play or not depending on ones interest. I would definitely recommend you to give it a try.
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It's 40 bucks a month, it's not that expensive. The 4 figure is for the enterprise license.Damn! You really bought that super expensive tool!
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thx maybe i will.i liked lust campus i think that was 2D but its kinda good so maybe i will try this one as well,thanks again
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I was in the same state of mind until I started and finished GGGB. Now it's Lust Campus and ORS. I'm also addicted to them, waiting the next updated eagerly.
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well i guess i'ma try the strings one since it gets good rewievs,but i'm still sceptical 'bout 2D i'll see maybe the story is damn goodI was in the same state of mind until I started and finished GGGB. Now it's Lust Campus and ORS. I'm also addicted to them, waiting the next updated eagerly.
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You probably think JOHN is like BBAS that is using same background.
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I wasn't going to jump in this ongoing conversation about Eva's latest game in a thread about Stoper's game, but what's said here is incorrect. Sure, Eva has done tracing and continues to do so using reference material found around the web, and some folks look down upon that fact. Eva doing tracing is no real secret and is one of the processes she uses to help speed development. Again, it's only one of her tools. She also creates original line work as well. And for her latest game, Our Red String, where she's trying to improve all aspects of the game compared to her previous game, Good Girl Gone Bad (aka GGGB), Eva has consulted and hired on other talented people on the art front. Off the top of my head, these include a colorist for the line art, an art studio to create backgrounds, a professional tattoo artist for unique designs, and even real life models. Heck, she's even friends with the developers over at Lust Campus that was mentioned earlier and assisted them in their project. So please, don't disparage how other artists and developers go about their projects. (I'm not saying the users that I've quoted from are doing that just to be clear.)
Stoper, on the other hand, has his own way of doing things and utilizes other kinds of digital tools and experience. He creates with the tools and software he knows (even recently confirming the use of Marvelous Designer that Arctus mentioned) and capitalize on the assets at his disposal. He approaches his art in an entirely different manner, and it's represented in his game with a visual style and aspect that is obviously unlike what Eva creates. Like Eva, no one should denigrate his methodology either for using what he has on-hand and his know-how. So it's unfair to compare the art from these two developers when their visual styles are so dissimilar.
In addition, both Stoper and Eva Kiss offers distinct kinds of play experiences from each other for players. Stoper has a fairly straight-forward visual novel type of approach to the story in his game; whereas, Eva has a much more sandboxy method with numerous, hidden conditional values to let the story of her game to unfold. The medium and procedures of each kind is neither better nor worse than the other. The visual styles and how the stories are told in each are simply different. They offer different things and are distinctly different flavors of visual novels. These two developers are well-known and brings with them their own kind of brand, but they both pursue in the creation of good games in Ren'Py that (hopefully) many people will enjoy. But their games are different. It's apples and oranges, guys.
I suggest that people should at least try the different flavors of the meals at hand before ragging on either without having firsthand experience of playing through each kind of game (and specifically with JOHN and ORS in this case). (Or y'know better yet, don't disparage either work.) Try it, and if folks don't like it, then they can always fall back to the other game that they've enjoyed more while respecting other people's opinions. Okay y'all, sorry that this ballooned into a wall of text. I just really wanted to express that these two developers and artists -- Stoper and Eva Kiss -- are both passionate and create their own kinds of games. Be awesome y'all and be safe. Cheers!
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Damn !!!
I logged back in and with all the recent thread activity I stupidly thought Stoper had released the latest update!
I logged back in and with all the recent thread activity I stupidly thought Stoper had released the latest update!
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But you have to take into account the number of permutations she had to produce for each scene. She had to make variants of each scene for 2 different hair colors for the MC, 2 different breast sizes, 7 different configurations of piercings, I forget how many possible configurations of different tattoos, and multiple different outfits. And that's just the variations for the MC, herself. Then there are the variations for different scene partners, because some of the scenes allow for different people (1 version of the MC with Guy A, and a different version of the MC with Guy B), or even different numbers of people. And then there are also variations of some scenes in different locations.
So a single scene might have to be reproduced with 30 or more variations in the artwork. No wonder she decided to take the shortcut of layering the characters over background images.
Honestly, I think that the paperdoll system which Eva Kiss used in Good Girl Gone Bad was rather innovative, and a good choice for a game with that many possible branches to the story.
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As has already been mentioned, tracing is one of the techniques she uses. It isn't the entirety of her process.
Perhaps you didn't know this, but some of the great artists of the past incorporated tracing into their artwork. Some paintings which are worth many thousands of dollars today began as tracings and were then embellished with oil paints or some other medium.
And what about artists who sketch from live models or from still life? That's akin to tracing, except that it requires more ability to translate proportions.
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Was this not abandoned due to slow progress? Or was it Paola?
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Need a quick head-ups , is it the game heavy NTR or just a-bit only ? I don't fancy NTR stuff. Thanks
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