VN Ren'Py Jessica O'Neil's Hard News [v0.65] [stoperArt]

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FightmeLaiLai

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We know patreon earnings are not a motivator factor, he is also not answerable to anyone and to a somewhat degree perhaps not even to his current patreons. He is of course genuinely thankful for their continued support to allow him to have a free reign in his creative space and muse.

While the quality is still there in terms of aesthetics, writing and sexual build up, He did admit the quantity of game content had dropped as well which combine with the constant massive delays have brought up to this current stage.

I have no doubt once the update is here, there will be more constructive / toxic posts about how little game time there was and not worth it up for 6-7 months wait.

But if we can move all past the noise, I am just curious if stopper is really aware of why it has come to this stage and is able to really step up to the challenge and make a difference in 2023. I know most people here do not believe but really, only stopper has the answer, to reflect on the past and whether he truly wants to make a difference and perhaps be a bit more accountable to his patreons who believe in him.
 
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yihman1 said:
Do you have any idea how long it takes to build a good quality game with good content?

You need to have tons of visual art, and plenty of coding and writing to go along with it and you need to put them all together like puzzle pieces in just the right spot.

It's not a fast process. It's complex and time consuming.

Hardware limitations slow down everyone's rendering. Rendering a single render after it is posed can take hours. Then often times it goes through a photo shopping process. Posing takes a bit of time as well. That's just a single render and you are talking hours of time, and that render is not yet coded or written in. Animations are even worse.

Additionally the world doesn't stop around game development. Most developers have other jobs that they must work to pay the bills. Not to mention real life relationships as well that take time, and unfortunately we all need to sleep at some point. There are only so many hours in a day.

stoper is a hard working dev, and a bit of a perfectionist. Love the game.
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Asslicker spotted. I go away
 
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First, sorry for my English, but again I want to speak my opinions.

Let's make this clear :
Stoper is talented and JOHN is for me the best game on this site.
I just play it for free so I dont care even if he need 1 year to release an update.

Now what I want to say is : I dont know Stoper as person but from this Thread I think Stoper is a Liar, one who can not keep his words. This is core problem for all the rants I guess.
It's ok to miss the release 2-3 time or once in awhile but he did this several times already, not just this update but also the one before.
All of his reasons for delay maybe true but in the end of the day, he spilled out the release date and then tossed it to the trash.

So why he keep doing that ? why not just stay silent and release an update when it done ? I think he want to please his supporter and deep down he still want their money. And for some reason people still support him despite being lied right to their face so many time, I dont have that kind of money to understand.
 
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kch said:
First, sorry for my English, but again I want to speak my opinions.

Let's make this clear :
Stoper is talented and JOHN is for me the best game on this site.
I just play it for free so I dont care even if he need 1 year to release an update.

Now what I want to say is : I dont know Stoper as person but from this Thread I think Stoper is a Liar, one who can not keep his words. This is core problem for all the rants I guess.
It's ok to miss the release 2-3 time or once in awhile but he did this several times already, not just this update but also the one before.
All of his reasons for delay maybe true but in the end of the day, he spilled out the release date and then tossed it to the trash.

So why he keep doing that ? why not just stay silent and release an update when it done ? I think he want to please his supporter and deep down he still want their money. And for some reason people still support him despite being lied right to their face so many time, I dont have that kind of money to understand.
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I think stoper is very honest actually. Don't meeting a deadline isn't properly lying, 'cause his intention is accomplish it in reality.

Enyo, False Hero's dev, tried to not give deadlines and the result was worse, slower. He himself said that putting deadlines is better even if he doesn't meet them, at least, he has a goal in mind.

Enyo is as slow as stoper, even when he doesn't make animations, although he is the best in terms of lighting, in my opinion.
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If you’re getting the game for free, you’re not really in a position to bitch and moan about deadlines.
On the other hand, if you’re paying, you have a right to be upset about lapsed deadlines.
That’s simply my opinion. No matter the timeline, this is really a great game. Less hate more love.
 
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nunzio2016 said:
If you’re getting the game for free, you’re not really in a position to bitch and moan about deadlines.
On the other hand, if you’re paying, you have a right to be upset about lapsed deadlines.
That’s simply my opinion. No matter the timeline, this is really a great game. Less hate more love.
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Then what's the point of an internet forum if we aren't supposed to discuss things? Are we only supposed to heap praise? Surely you can see the problems with this update's development.

Just so everyone that thinks it's wrong to be critical is clear: this game is likely to never be completed. Either the game will literally be abandoned, or it will drag on so long that you'll never see it completed. Do you really think you'll still be playing this game in three years? Five years? I'd like to see this game completed because it's really good and deserves an ending. I'm critical because I see the tell tale signs that the game won't be finished. Maybe my criticism won't change anything, but it seems a heck of a lot better to say something rather than nothing.

I'd really like to see a study about people who become patrons. I had a little experience with this as a creator, but I see it now from the member side: I think a huge portion of patrons never engage with the content they support. They don't comment, they don't leave likes, and they may not even play/download/view the thing they're paying for. This isn't exclusive to Stoper, it's just something I'm fascinated by. We only see a tiny fraction of patrons engage either on Patreon or on discords. This means that the vast majority are silent, and we take their silence as tacit agreement to whatever the creator is doing. But I wonder if something like 40-70% of patrons simply give money and forget about their membership entirely. Because you would think you'd see numbers fluctuate more, and in the case of JOHN, they'd react to long development cycles.

Is the whole backbone of the Patreon economy dependent on people forgetting they're giving their money away?
 
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nunzio2016 said:
If you’re getting the game for free, you’re not really in a position to bitch and moan about deadlines.
On the other hand, if you’re paying, you have a right to be upset about lapsed deadlines.
That’s simply my opinion. No matter the timeline, this is really a great game. Less hate more love.
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You are on a pirate site, and if you forgot, then it is such sites that make these games popular and many decide to pay for a particular project. And your statement is absurd.
 
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palmtrees89 said:
Some of this might apply to many games and updates, but I feel like you left out on what's happened during this development cycle of JOHN, only quoting some of the usual comments from users, ignoring what Stoper's said and done over the past 6 months. Maybe because you haven't followed the thread or his Patreon lately? That I don't know.

Anyway, here's how I (and many others I guess) see this development cycle and it's issues:

Starting 6+ months ago, Stoper's first statement implying a faster update when he told us that this time, there would be no side-project he has to work on, allowing him to entirely focus on JOHN's next update. Anyway, then came Stopers first comments on Patreon, answering people's questions on the length of the development cycle, to which Stoper replied: "2-3 months seems reasonable". Still, there's no promises being made and nobody would say a word if it took him a little longer. In the following 2-3 months, nobody was bothered and everything appeared to be business as usual. There were the usual development blogs where he was talking about the progress and his work aswell as a couple bonus renders. Nothing special or anything hinting at the shitshow that was yet to come.

Then, at one point he started publishing bonus sets, and some people began questioning the reason behind that, as they had nothing to do with JOHN and, like I said above, Stoper mentioned how he'd focus on JOHN's development without any side-projects in the way. So, some people were upset, but still nothing anyone would lose their shit about, right? After that, to many, the breakpoint came in hot with Stoper's post about being uninspired and unproductive. This is when things got weird, because to many it meant that his previous development blogs contained nothing but empty words. What happened to all the work he had apparently done? What happened to everything that had been said in those previous development blogs? How has there not been a single word about him being unproductive? Why would he tell people about a reasonable timeframe for a release being within 2-3 months prior to that post?

The first delay was announced. From a planned November release to December. That was also when we had been informed that this update would only consist of 1 major event, not even close to an entire day or more, as in previous updates. People started questioning even more what he was doing during all these months, and why all the previous development blogs were hinting at him working on the game, when there was essentially nothing. More comments and replies from Stoper made it into this forum, saying he'd release "this month" (December), and how there was only a final scene he had to finish. But no, all of a sudden came a Stoper post stating how this scene was giving him a hard time, and that it would consist of 3 branches, requiring more time to be finished. People still expected a December release, until a few weeks later, around Christmas, we got another post from Stoper saying that he won't be able to make it in December either. People already started losing their shit because of all the contradicting excuses, delays, development blogs. Nothing really made sense at this point.

Anyway, new years came and people thought we'd get an early January release, at last. Right? Nope. Another post from Stoper saying how he's cancelled his previous work on the final branch of this scene and another delay towards the end of January. He's also said that he'd re-do this last branch and go with it, satisfied or not, just so he can release and his supporters finally get what they were waiting for after all this time, several delays and excuses later.

But hey, when you think it couldn't get any worse, a Stoper comes around the corner and suddenly announces that not only will the upcoming release consist of only a single event, but he's also cancelled out 30% of it because for whatever reason he still can't finish this one route he's been working on for what, 2 months almost? So now we're looking at an update which probably doesn't even have 20% of the content compared to previous ones. And that took him well over 6 months. What had all the previous development blogs been about? What had all the previous statements been about?

There was a time when Stoper was able to release more content in much less time, and that includes more updates, not just the one we're currently waiting for. A time before he's had 700+ patrons, much less money and still was able to deliver more content in a shorter period of time.

So no, I don't think you can come up with this lazy analysis, saying it's the same every single time. Because it's only getting worse, just like with so many developers out there. It's not just us forum users bitching (which we do, no doubt), pirates and supporters alike alot of the time have good reasons for it these days.

Just my 2-cents. Cheers
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Very well said, couldn't agree more with all of it.
 
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bigdickwaterland said:
You are on a pirate site, and if you forgot, then it is such sites that make these games popular and many decide to pay for a particular project. And your statement is absurd.
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I certainly appreciate your perspective/opinion on this. I agree that pirate sites certainly direct traffic towards patron sites, which is of course great for the developer.
Didn’t really think my statement was absurd though haha
Aren’t we all friends here, just trying to get some more sexy Jessica?
 
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